Is the Browns loss the Jets a DIRECT REFLECTION of Kevin Stefanski as a head coach?

Is the Browns loss the Jets a DIRECT REFLECTION of Kevin Stefanski as a head coach?

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— NFL quarterback. I’m trying to figure out they relate. It’s like a wish at this point. I need that 23andMe report. So what do you make of the game yesterday, guys? We did the postgame show. We’ve heard your thoughts. Bull, Jason, Jay, an ugly loss. I mean, at the end of the day, they lost to a team that made it very evident, evident, excuse me, during the week that they have no intention of trying to win. garbage. We gotta be careful when we say that because players and coaches will always want to win. We throw around terms like tanking. Yes, the players and coaches always want to win. — You think any of those
— players wanted to lose? They played like they wanted to lose yesterday. I mean they, they literally played like they, no, the Jets, I mean, when you give up a a kickoff return and a punt return for. That’s effort to me. It’s like rebounding. Special teams are effort, and they, they just gave no effort on either. I watched both of them 3 times. They were, they were mailing it in on both of those plays. Everybody, yeah, — I
— mean, listen, the Browns are a really bad football team. The Jets are a really bad football team. And terrible. It, it was a terrible game between two terrible teams. It was painful to watch. It was, it was high school. Did they finish with any passing yards? Jets finished with 54. Come on, man. Mike, you got that tweet. Come on, man. Uh, this is the first game maybe ever since at least they’ve been keeping stats in 1950. Steve, take that. Yeah, put this, this here you go. How unlike the Jets since 1950, and by the way, it’s since 1950 because I don’t think they know before then, so this may have never happened before. Teams that had been 225-0 were holding opponents to 175 or fewer yards and not turning the ball over. The Browns were the first team to lose in that span per ESPN research. — First team take a bows
— 75. Remember the, remember the game they lost to the Jets a couple of years ago. It was, it was a very similar thing. It’s the first time we’ve ever seen this happen, — and it happened
— ever. The Browns are kings of, — of a
— stat. We are royalty at sucking. Yes, — that’s what they
— are doubt, no doubt about it. I’m not. Your son was at the game suffering in person. He did. — I
— don’t know. Oh my God. Yeah, it wasn’t nobody in the stands. It was raining. I ain’t even listen, I ain’t even, I’m gonna tell you this, I’m not even source guy because you know what I do? I just make my opinion and stand on business. That’s how I feel. I put my research in. I look at the playbook. I look at the film and I’ll make my opinion. But let me just tell you this between Sunday at one o’clock and this morning, I have never in my life had my phone, my text messages, my emails, my DMs jump off the off the Richter scale. With people that it ain’t just, it ain’t just the people outside. It’s people that’s inside. I’m talking guys that’s, that’s playing. I’m talking about former Cleveland Browns, former Browns legends. I’m talking about national former players that are like, I do not understand what the heck the Cleveland Browns are doing and Kevin. Stefansky is clueless about what’s going on. Guys, let’s set the tone real quick. We, it’s time to stop playing the games. The game is over. Uh, Kevin Stefansky, um, this, this loss should be the, the, the final act for Kevin Stefansky. They might not get rid of him during the season, but for the fact that you came out of a bye week and this is the type of energy and level that you gave and, and you lose to a. Team and had 54 yards passing and they traded their best two players. I told you what I was, I picked the Browns to win this game cause I didn’t think that they could come out and take an L like that. But lo and behold, it’s the Cleveland Browns and Kevin Safansky even pulled that off. I also heard from multiple people said that said they’re, they are a little upset that even before watching the tape, they’re not making any moves. Before watching the tape, the moves are not being made. So here’s the thing too. Hey, hey, Kevin Steffansky is gonna die on the hill of Dylan Gabriel. We all see it. He’s not a top 100 player. Scouts have already said that we’ve seen his, his, his play on the football field. I, I mean, at what point are we gonna just say enough is enough and just stop this. Charade, but he’s going to continue to try them out there. It’s going to be bad. It’s going to get nasty against the Baltimore Ravens when that stadium is half, half full. But this regime, I’m tired of seeing, and we, we need to start acting like this is it. It’s not. — It’s time to
— move on. You know, it’s funny when Gabriel threw that 2 touchdown, that floater to Judy. On the broadcast, uh, uh, Spiro Adidas goes, Man, what a great pass. By the way, I’m like, great, I, I actually thought it was a good pass. I thought it was a good pass. It was. I thought it was a good pass. It was a good adjustment by, by what you see, — but you
— see it from the back all 22 angle. He threw it to a spot where only Judy. And he came back and got floated. Now, the velocity, the velocity is a different velocity on that. The velocity, but I like the placement. — It
— was a touch pass though. I don’t think he was trying to rip that one. And I didn’t think, I didn’t think Dylan played well yesterday. — I’m not trying to defend his
— own. He got about 3 throws. — I thought it was a 3
— was pretty damn good throw. I, I don’t agree with you. I thought that ball was floating out there and wobbling, Mike. Go look at it again. We can’t show you all 22 on the show where we get copyright infringed. So I’ll show you when we’re done with the show. I need to look it up. It’s out there on Twitter, but boy, — I thought
— it was a good job by Judy too, coming back to get the ball. I mean, you, — you
— explained it perfectly on the show by both, both of them. You want to explain it again, so, so, so, so I like the play design. It was like an over route, and it was almost like a deep zig route. They ran that route with, uh, with, uh, Tyreek Hill, uh, in. I believe when he was playing with and so basically he runs across and, and then he pivots and runs back to the pot of the corner of the end zone and so with that throw now the defender is on his back. So Dylan Gabriel did a nice job. It looked like it’s underthrown, but he put a little air on it so that the defender, the only place that that that that football could be caught was by Jerry Judy, and he has the defender on his back. So for him to even break it up, he has to. Go over his back and it’s a pass interference. So I thought it was good placement and I like the play design and I thought he put it in the area where, where he got the ball. I also thought it was a really nice play to Harold Fanning on the corner route that he put it right in the basket. He caught it right like this, so he had a, a few throws, but he, he’s few and far between. All right, I mean, I’ll look it over again. It looked, didn’t look like that good a throw to me. There wasn’t much good beside that. The Fanon throw was a good throw. Uh, Jerry Judy played well. He’s one of the few guys that played well in this game. Quinshaw Judkins played well, although the yards per attempt again are bad because the offensive line. Jack Conquin is terrible, — by the
— way. The whole, the whole offensive line, I mean, he’s always had a ton of injuries. He’s still better than the other guys. I know that’s not saying much, but I know their line is that this is as bad as it’s been. — We were
— arguing before the show who’s worse, Justin Fields or, or Dylan Gabriel, I mean like. That’s like arguing which pile of crap is smellier. I mean, I mean, at least Justin Fields hit the, he hit the screen pass. Dylan gave that screen pass to Corley, he missed. He threw it in the front row, to, uh, the stands. There’s nobody in the screen. Go back and watch all 22. That is 60 yards. — He could have walked down
— the field. — He made a lot of throws that there were no chance
— to be, not even, not even near some of them. I asked, who’s he throwing that? Where is that ball going? All of that said, I mean, he was bad. He was, there’s no question about it, but He’s still not the reason they’re not winning. He’s part of the reason he’s definitely part of it, but to me there is so much, there’s so much else wrong. It’s like, well, the bathroom burned down, but so did the whole house. Everything is bad. The offensive line, I did think Jerry Judy played a decent game yesterday. I, I thought I saw more effort from him yesterday than I’d seen from him in a long time, maybe going back to the Denver game last year, but in general, the offensive line looks like they give up on most plays. They stink. The defense, I, I, I hate to even point to the defense because they gifted 14 points, but still, I don’t, I don’t think you should allow the Jets. No, it’s a tie game. You gotta, you got, you gotta do more. They’re, they’re being asked to do more than they should be asked to do, right? But again, you can see when they let go of the rope, when they say we can’t stop this. This, this was the first because I’ve been pretty consistent all year. It’s a bad team. They’re gonna lose a lot of games. It’s not a good team. There are winnable games on the schedule. This was one of them. You had to win this game. This was the first time where I walked away going, there may not be anything left to salvage. Like, it’s the infection has overtaken the body, and it’s down to the Titans, the Raiders, and because you, you can’t. But you also have to look at it like the owner came out and told you we’re not very good, we’re not gonna be very good. They’re not expecting to win. So when that’s the bar that you set, you’re gonna live up to it or down to it. And, and just remember. They also said you can’t lose 3, win just 3 games though, but, but they went 1 and 31 and brought the coach back. I just remember they went 1 and 31 and brought the coach back. — I don’t see a world where Kevin Stefansky coaches the Browns
— next year. Well, here’s the thing, and I told, I was talking to this about with Adam and Mike a couple of weeks ago. I’m gonna give you an aneurysm because you have to decide at the end of this season if you’re gonna take a quarterback, OK, in this draft, you have to either commit to this regime for 3 more years — or fire them all
— now. I. Yeah, — let’s go with the fire them
— all now quarterback. — You’re taking a quarterback in
— the next draft, but the worst thing you can do, the worst thing you can do is bring them back. Have them select a quarterback and then, and then fire him. It happens. — It happens across the
— league because they whiffed on, uh, again, Jackson Dart, I don’t know. I don’t know, but I know more about him than I know about anybody else right now in that rookie class. Cam Ward is doing what, — but it’s already happened to
— Cam. It has happened to Cam midway through first season, — and it
— happened. That’s how you stunt the quarterback’s growth. It happened here with Baker. And, and it just happens every year and over and over and over. You bring in the quarterback and then you fire the regime and then the new GM or the new head coach comes in and goes, well, I didn’t pick that guy. I don’t want that guy. And that’s how you get on this cycle. So either you commit to these guys for 3 years, — for
— 3
— years, or sweep all of them, all of them, but the general manager as well. But the problem is, I don’t think my opinion, right, just strictly my opinion, I don’t think Jimmy trusts himself. To pick somebody else. And now, and now he lost his North Star in Paul Di Modesta. I’m telling you. North Star to hell. I’m telling you, follow me, boys. But follow me. But the thing that Paul was, the one thing I think he was good at was identifying coaches. I do think he was good at that. That’s the one thing I think he was good at. So now we’re going back to the corn fairy search firms. We’re going back to, yep, no, no. You know who the Browns need? I’ll take Bull picking our next coach over Jimmy. I was thinking about this. I was thinking about this this morning. They need. Their version of Bob Myers. And I don’t know who that guy is in the NFL, but, like, and it’s too late. It’s too bad that they’re like 3 months late on Bob because Bob is sensational. And Bob, of course, was the GM of the Warriors, but he’s more than that. And now he’s like the right-hand man to Josh Harris with Washington. He’s part of the Blitzer Harris where he’s got his finger in all the teams. But like an agent who knows the league, who knows these guys, who really knows these guys, like the Arn Tellum and the Bob Myers on the NBA side. They need somebody like that to come in and, and, and Jimmy say, here, just, just do it. I’m done. I’m done. Just you do it and I’ll write the checks. he’ll never do that. I don’t think he’ll ever know. I don’t think he’ll ever know he did, he picked the wrong guy, but that’s why I’m, you need someone who, who intimately knows. This entire league and it’s not going and finding Mike Holmgren or Bill Parcells or Bill Belichick. That’s not the. You gotta find, you’ve got to find the next Sean McVeigh. You’ve got to find a young up and comer, and you’re gonna have to give him the keys to the castle. And I did have an NFL, uh, someone who covers the NFL for a living tell me within the last week that in that this time it’s different because I think everybody’s kind of above the assumption that Kevin’s gone and that where, where does this organization go from here. The point was made that you’re building a new stadium. That’s what makes it different this time. It’s, it’s completely different. This is the most critical time in the Browns history because if they get this one wrong and they take hot garbage from the lakefront to Brook Park, this, this franchise is done. They’re done, guys. I don’t know if I want, I don’t wanna, I don’t know if I want somebody learning on the job. I’m, I, I, I, I, I might be over learning on the job training. It’s too important. It, it, it’s, it’s too, you, you cannot have somebody that comes in and is a hotshot young dude. It’s my way or the highway. I’m about to put my foot down, all that. I need somebody with some experience level that knows what the heck they’re looking at. — We’ve never hired
— an experienced coach. You go back, go back and look. OK, Mangini. — Although Mangini
— was the previous, no, I mean, we’ve always hired coaches that are welcome to the NFL and your first head — coach Hugh
— Jackson is the only coach they’ve hired that had a previous Jimmy, Jimmy and D, since they’ve owned the team. You mean, or go back 30 years. I mean, go back 30 years. Mangini. Oh, Mangini too. OK, that’s it. I mean, but it typically our hire is let’s give this guy a shot. That’s what they do, but they always get it wrong, you know. They had a chance to hire Shanahan. They didn’t want to play by his rules, but, well, there you, you’re contradicting yourself because he was that hot young guy at the time. So what they get is the hot, the, the, the hot young name that fizzles out when he gets to Cleveland. — That’s what we
— have. 3 years from now, 4 years from now, Tommy Reese will be a head coach and you’re gonna say, well, we had him in the building. I don’t know. I don’t know that he will be. So yeah, I think he will be. I think he will be. — We don’t
— know if it’ll be any good, you know, at this point, listen, I, here’s the situation, um. The season is a wrap. Once you lost that game in the fashion that you lost it, these guys are in no way, shape, or form ever to be assumed that their, their evaluation or opinions on players should count. It should be from there it’s done. Like the, the evaluation of any quarterback, you cannot let any of these people be a judgment of any quarterback. It’s not possible, you know. You talked about the disease. Over the body and it’s the culture of losing has taken over the team, right? Like stu the stupid football, the, the in the, the returns are inexcusable. Special teams is just horrible. But even on that last drive, and we know even if the Browns got the ball back they weren’t gonna score. But — you don’t you had two
— penalties on that last drive that were in it, especially that last one. — That is the dumbest penalty I’ve ever seen
— literally laughing at the Browns. They were laughing. There’s no world where the Browns were gonna, were gonna, I mean, — where the
— Jets were gonna play. — There was never a chance they were gonna run a play
— that goes right next to, uh, Dwayne Rudd’s helmet and Browns lore, jumping outside on a 4th down that they were never gonna snap and Dwayne Rudd throwing his helmet at the end of the game cost like they are 1 and 18 as far as I’m concerned. And, and, and by the way, stupid, and, and I heard somebody say this on the internet. Listen, at some point, Kevin. You gotta stop running, and this is gonna cost you more than anything and I hope in the next stop he understands it. You trying to protect these dudes and not say anything against uh about what happens, when asked about that question, you know, it’s not about one play. Yes, it is about one play. It’s about accountability and saying, listen, we cannot play people who are jumping off sides when we know they’re down the distance. We talk about being smart and accountable, we talk about this and they were not smart and they were not accountable. It doesn’t make you look better. The fact that you, you, you, you seem to be, uh, just passive about calling this stuff out. This is, this is high school, like high school, this is the part that really gets me because it’s the accountability or lack thereof that, that people, 22 plays in a row, one a defensive holding, when it’s 3rd and 14. Guys, don’t you understand the down and distance? The only way to get a 1st down is if you get a holding penalty. Why are you, and that’s the thing, people have checked out all the defensive. People have checked out. What checking out doesn’t mean they get on the podium and say the coach is bad. Checking out means I’m not worried about the consequences. I’m gonna play next week or you’re not dialed in to know what the down and distance and what is gonna happen. And then instead of everybody else getting on each other in the huddle and be like that’s unacceptable, we still get another chance to get the ball back and then a guy jumps offsides and the whole world laughs at you. Uh, that right there is not acceptable even on a high school level, and we’ve lost so much. That we are grasping on to anything, anything. The coach, the GM, at least we got this. Uh, no, guys, this is the 2nd time in how many weeks that you see coaches on the sideline laughing at you. It was Vrabel and then it was Glenn this week jumping up celebrating. And if that’s not embarrassing to the owner, if it’s not embarrassing to the organization, it should be embarrassing to the fans, and I wouldn’t show up to do nothing with them on Sunday. I leave every seat orange if that’s what they feel like is acceptable and, and. The immunity lot, the tickets, uh, jerseys, concession, the only way they care about anything about what’s going on on that football field is if you, you touch their pockets and if you wanna go, that’s fine. I get it. We wanna all wanna release in this world, but I’m gonna just tell you what, that, that product that they’re putting out and they told you they was gonna put it out and they, they made it better. Oh, we’re gonna, we’re gonna try to lose. That’s a fireable offense in itself, trying to lose, and we accepted it. So, no, yeah, when you go to those games and spend the money for the product, you’re co-signing it. And the, to the accountability point, Gee, uh, boy, the Patriots are a fascinating group. I watched and I, I, there was some confusion and I reached out to a buddy of mine that covers the Patriots and I even asked, what the hell’s up with Henderson? He said, well, he’s, he’s learning a lesson. Flick that switch, didn’t he? He’s learning a lesson. That’s what, that’s what’s going on. And yesterday I saw he had 14 for 150 and 2 touchdowns. Best game by far. And we just talked about how he was in the doghouse, right? — And
— Vrabel made no bones about it. He’s not doing what we need him to do. It’s shots like that across the bow to highly drafted players that come in there. And maybe think that they’re more ready than they are and they don’t know what the work schedule is. And then, When a coach sends a message like that, it’s not just a message to one player, it’s a message to everybody. Damn, he’s a high draft pick. He came in here, he can’t see the field. He can’t even get on the field and it’s, that’s a lot of Belichick too. I mean, Belichick, I think lost a Super Bowl because he wanted to make a point. — He literally lost a Super Bowl because he wanted to
— make a point. Browner, who was sitting on the bench and, and, — and they got torched in the secondary and
— he was cool with it. And apparently he’s like, you know, and his, because his mission is no single player is bigger than the team. And at whatever cost you have to send that message. And gee, I just want, I would like to see him come into the news conference and name a player by name. I say this cannot happen, but he won’t. He gives them cover. He gives them cover. This is the wrong coach. He is the wrong coach, and I like Kevin personally. I do like him, and I do think as a coordinator, he will find more success in this league, just not here. There’s too many landmines here that you can’t miss. But the one thing that tells me he’s not a head coach is his treatment and how I, I don’t even want to say he’s a player’s coach. He’s just blah. Call a guy out. We just, fans are so angry after that game, and they want to hear a coach that’s angry too. Well, you know, — it wasn’t just one play that cost us
— the game. The press conferences are a waste of time. — We
— shouldn’t talk to him, waste of time. When he comes in there just once, Jay, just once. I know it’ll never happen, just like your point. I wish that the Browns fans would protest, say it’s gotten to a level where we can’t go into. Inside the stadium anymore. I, I would love it. I would love it. Let Jimmy have to explains why there’s 0 fans inside. And just once, I know it will never happen because you guys have a job to do. Just once, I wish when Kevin walked into the news conference, all of the Cleveland reporters got up and walked out. Why don’t you? Why don’t you? What are you gonna get? Nothing. What are you gonna get from this guy? Uh, but the same garbage that you can just rerack from last week. Pull any of his quotes from the Cincinnati game and plug them in. They’re applicable. Just when he walks in and sits down, obviously a very disappointing result. Everybody stands up and leaves. That’d be awesome. — Walks
— out. Jason, you gotta do it. Lead it. Organize it. — Come
— on, Jay. I don’t even go in there and listen to him. — I
— know you don’t. — You don’t waste
— your time. Jason skips the Stefansky presser with us. He’s the wrong person to ask. We meet Zach Jackson or Mary Kay on later. I go, — I go in the locker room
— postgame, — and I’ll be honest
— with you, that’s where you get your best stuff anyhow, but. Be honest with you though, McNuggets, I, I, I hear, I hear Zach and Mary Kay and, and, and Daniel asking questions, pertinent questions. Darryl Ryder, and he don’t answer them. He don’t, — he
— cares not the effort and futility, and that’s why the reporters should boycott it. Just walk out.

The New York Jets made some franchise history in the span of 36 seconds. Then they held on the rest of the way for their second win in a row.

New York got touchdowns on a kickoff return and a punt return in the same game for the first time, Breece Hall took a screen pass from Justin Fields 42 yards for the go-ahead score and the Jets defeated the Cleveland Browns 27-20 on a rainy Sunday.

“I’m on the sideline like, ‘Yo, we don’t need to do no work!’” Fields said with a big smile. “Nah, special teams definitely did their thing today. Proud of those guys, and we finally had some hit.”

Five days after trading cornerback Sauce Gardner and defensive tackle Quinnen Williams in stunning moves, the Jets (2-7) came off their bye-week break to give coach Aaron Glenn his first win at home.

Kene Nwangwu returned a kickoff 99 yards for a touchdown in the first quarter and moments later, Isaiah Williams brought back a punt 74 yards for a score. The Jets had one previous game with two kickoffs returned for scores and another with two punts returned for TDs. But never one of each in the same game.

“Listen, we know we have a long way to go and we have a lot of work to do on both sides of the ball,” Glenn said. “But I’ll tell you what, our special teams really gave us a spark today.”

Will McDonald had four sacks to tie a single-game record for New York, which sealed the win with some late mistakes by Cleveland (2-7). | https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap/_/gameId/401772769

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