Kodai Senga ‘extremely available’ for trade as Mets look to revamp rotation

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  1. Trading Kodai Senga this off-season is a mind-bogglingly stupid idea to even suggest and I will now rant about why that is so,

    Kodai Senga is, largely based on results and not just potential, a top tier, borderline-ace caliber starting pitcher, his only inherent weakness as a player being he can’t start regularly on regular rest. Now, last year he underperformed this expectation because he went into the year still not feeling 100% mechanics-wise due to his previous leg injury, sustained ANOTHER leg injury, then flailed in the final couple months as his mechanics got even worse due to, of course, the injury *on top* of his previous injury’s effects not having been fully taken care of. They clearly and acutely identified this as the problem, obviously, which is why he was sent down to adjust those mechanics at the end of the year.

    First of all, if you’d heard this with no other context, I’m sure you’d assume his year was awful. Nope, he was pretty bad after the second injury, but a 133 ERA+ in 113.1 innings is still excellent *especially* considering he was NEVER 100% at any point in the season (anyone remember when he was literally leading starting pitchers in ERA before he got hurt in June?) His injuries are also not, in and of themselves, particularly bad or career-altering; the issues with them were just that they made Senga screw up his mechanics (he’s a notorious tinkerer of them) and he’s had to do a lot of work adjusting to un-screw them. That this has been specifically identified as the problem, and with an entire seemingly healthy off-season to fix it, I personally bet he will.

    But basically, Kodai Senga is at his all-time *lowest* value, with *MASSIVE* upside that he is fairly likely to at least come close to given that his problems this year *weren’t inherently related to his playing ability,* but rather injuries *which have healed* and other issues *which have been identified and are actively being worked on.*

    So with that all having been stated I simply must just ask, why the FUCK are we even CONSIDERING trading Kodai Senga?

  2. He has a very high ceiling, but we just have too many question marks in the rotation. I can’t think of a single starter of ours that is a completely known quantity. Even McLean, who I’m extremely high on, is still a rookie and far from a proven thing. We need to make room for less volatile pitchers. 

  3. Had high hopes for him. He’s just a very frustrating pitcher and he’s better off playing somewhere else. Just get rid of him. Guy is soft.

  4. It’s a shame it didn’t work out. But it’s not like the guy didn’t try. Happy trails to Kodai if he goes

  5. Too bad. One offf *month* not even year, he was literally top before injury. THey will regret this.

  6. The Mets have a full rotation right now and want to add someone to the top of it

    You can only do that if you remove someone from the current 5 so that means Peterson or Senga

    And the Mets said ideally they want to add two arms at the top

  7. Senga contract isnt terrible for a #1 or 2 pitcher. I wouldn’t give senga away but if someone willing to overpay sure why not.

    Hate to sell low on senga.

  8. I don’t like this, Senga was a legit Cy young contender before Pete’s throw took him out. I’d be willing to give him another chance next year.

  9. If the Mets can get a haul for him, I guess why not. But I say keep him. He isn’t the biggest issue with the team.

  10. i’m only trading senga if it nets us a true ace like skubal who is definitely better than senga. i don’t think there is any good reason just to dump him, especially because he is so cheap (he’ll be paid less than montas next year to put it in perspective)

  11. I don’t understand the Mets selling on Senga. Senga is at the very worst making market value 4/5 money, and to trade him just to sign another 4/5 starter doesn’t make sense.

  12. I want to like Senga so badly and have rooted for him every step of the way and will continue to do so for as long as he’s on the team, but man it is frustrating that the stars need to completely align for him to maybe give you five or six innings of good pitching.

    Hard to stomach the reports towards the end of last season that said he was struggling to pitch in the Florida humidity. C’mon man.

  13. The problem with Senga is not just inconsistent health and performance, it’s inflexibility. He’s just so particular that he limits the team’s options – e.g., can’t get pitch out of the bullpen, seems to require five days rest, can’t be optioned without consent. With modern pitching usage so much more fluid, his rigidity is a problem. Plus, he’s on a very reasonable two year deal that would be appealing to a lot of teams so you can get a decent return, save 15 m a year, and reinvest all of that into strengthening the team in other ways. On top of that, don’t think they can carry more than four pitchers without options if they want flexibility to bring up their young guys. So this frees up a spot for a TOR type.

  14. Best pitcher on the team in the first half last season.

    Career 3.00 ERA and a 3.02 ERA this last season.

    Team friendly contract.

    Team player that will willingly accept being optioned even when he isn’t required to.

    McLean was the only pitcher on the entire staff that averaged more than 5 2/3 IP per start last season. And yet somehow Senga’s 5.1 IP per start is a huge issue but not an issue that gets talked about much for anyone else. 

    Everyone benefitted from the extra day of rest and the Mets flirted with the best staff ERA in MLB in May before the injuries piled up. Why you would not want the team to go with the extra day of rest with the results they got defies all logic.

    Trading him is a terrible idea.

  15. The Dodgers model seems to be get a bunch of guys with great stuff, plan for injuries, but hopefully you get lucky enough to have a healthy rotation by the playoffs. Senga has been so good for us when healthy and he’s on a team friendly deal so my first reaction is I would need to be wow’d to be happy with moving him.

  16. There’s a faction online that expected/wanted this, but I am really surprised the team actually went for it. And I’m pretty strongly against it unless we manage to find a big win deal somehow. Same with the similar Nimmo rumor. I figure the team is just fishing and wishing tho, and they’ll probably both stay.

  17. I’m giving Stearns a big middle finger at this point. I hope he makes us fans happy, but I’m losing faith! Having Senga, Nimmo, Baty, Vientos, and Acuna up for grabs doesn’t sit well with me. I wasn’t a big fan of having the guys in the farm system play maybe once a week. That’s not enough time for them to get their rhythm going. Stearns, stating he’s a “farm” guy, should put Baty at 3rd, Acuna at 2nd and Vientos at 1st. Keep Nimmo at LF, sign Arraez and possibly Schwarber. See what these guys can do playing every game and not just once or twice a week! Let McNeil go. Bring up Benge to play CF. BOOM!! I’m a woman but I should work for Stearns lol I’ll take 500k per year

  18. Moving him would be a huge mistake, he’s fantastic when healthy, he was a top 5 pitcher last year before he got hurt

  19. I’m not sure what “extremely available” means … like they are willing to accept basically nothing?

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