Previewing Packers, J.J. McCarthy’s Fundamentals, Defensive Play | X’s and O’s with Kevin O’Connell

Previewing Packers, J.J. McCarthy’s Fundamentals, Defensive Play | X’s and O’s with Kevin O’Connell

You can roll cameras at Vikings.com right now. 32 and base. Kevin Oonnell, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings, joins us weekly for X’s and O’s. 9 to noon is fortunate enough to uh uh to uh be able to start that on a Tuesdays at 11:00 or 11ish. And here’s the head coach now. Uh Lambo is next in line. Do do you have a favorite road stadium or are they all the same because you’re just so laser focused on the task? No, I think uh I think there’s some some different ones. I I I do uh I do appreciate, you know, the history of of Lambeau Field and and we’ve uh we’ve had some success there. So, um hopefully we can uh have a good week and go go replicate what uh I believe has happened the last two times we went there. When um uh when’s the last time Kevin Okonnell, you uh coach of the Vikings, attended or watched a football game as a fan? I would probably have to say Kaden. Absolutely Kaden’s games. I was hoping and I I was hoping you wouldn’t go right to the kid card. So, I brought it up just to uh No, I think I went to a San Diego State game during the during the by-week when I was uh coaching with the Rams. I think I might have and they were playing at the at the I don’t I don’t remember the year, but they were playing at the soccer stadium that the Chargers used to play at before they moved to Sofi. So, it might have been I don’t know what it was. Did you Did you paint your face black and what did it be? Black and red. Black and red. Black and red. I did not. and um Aztecs, right? Yep. Yeah. So, did you go full garb? No. No. I Kaden Kaden wanted to go. He was, you know, just getting into football at the time and uh he wanted to go, so I took him down there. Um we have a uh we have a talk back for you each and every week and uh we’re going to play that Tuesday talkback right now for the head coach of the Minnesota Vikings and move on from there. So, 3-2. Hey, Coach and PA, here’s my question. And on social media, everyone overreacts to every play, good or bad, from our young quarterback. As a Vikings fan watching on TV, not with the All 22, just as we watch the game, what is something we should look for to see progress from our quarterback versus the overreaction of social media? Oh, thanks, brother. That was cool. Yeah, that was a great question because I think uh you know in this coming up on uh coming up on his sixth start now um I think we’re all you know we’re all just looking for continued you know evidence of the growth that uh he can take some of the things he’s working very hard on the practice field uh to make you know as the phrase I’ve been using with him we got to we got to start seeing this cement dry on uh on some of the things that we’ve really worked hard to make football habits for him from a fundamentals technique standpoint, I think something Vikings fans can can look for is, you know, when he gets to the top of his drops, we’re we’re really trying to uh see if we can get him to be a little bit more in a repeatable body position. And what I mean by that is the posture of, you know, a firm um but athletic kind of lower half. He we don’t really like when his feet get too far outside the framework of his body. And that happened a couple times the other day that contributed to maybe some of the accuracy. His feet got a little bit wide. His base got really wide. The other thing um to to really look for is when he looks decisive and and kind of in the ground, compact uh where he’s not taking up a lot of space with his movements as he kind of goes from 1 A to 1B or one to two before finding his checkdowns. uh you know, when he’s done it uh consistently, you know, well, it’s normally tied to uh it’s got a look to it of of of firmness, but yet um not tight and not rigid. And it kind of has a fluidity to it where, you know, he’s, you know, then able to activate the arm talent from a standpoint of taking out a lot of variables and and and I’ve talked to JJ a lot. A lot of the movement and a lot of the lack of stability to his lower half adds to a lot of variables to the play. Yeah. Uh where you’re trying to make this thing right with the ball leaving your fingertips. But, uh, you know, I would equate it to, uh, swinging a golf club and and sometimes you swing it with your left foot on the ground, sometimes you don’t. Sometimes you, you know, widen your stance really. You’re never going to hit that golf ball the same way. And playing quarterback is about the variables that you can control. You’ve got to try to make it the same and repeatable every single time because the difference between golf and any other sport is these guys are trying to rush 1,000 miles an hour and rip your face off. Yeah. Um, and you’ve got to stand in there and make some throws. sometimes take some hits, but all of the things before those scenarios start to take place throughout the rhythm of a play where we don’t know what defense they’re in always and we don’t know exactly where the completion’s going to be. So, you’ve got to control what you can control by doing your fundamentals and techniques repeatable the same way and take out some of those variables that are really are making JJ’s harder his job harder than it has to be when we lose some of that focus throughout games. Um, I’d like to play a game called Coach’s Choice. Uh, you select the topic and here are the categories. You Okay. Sure. Here we go. Your your your categories are the long play, full throttle feel, the other kid, cash money, and getting the edge. Which one would you like, Coach Oonnell? Let’s uh let’s start backwards. Let’s go. Getting the edge. Getting the edge. Packers linebacker Edgerin Cooper is who you get this this weekend. Uh he had some part-time to him last year and this year has started all 10 for them. Edger Cooper, I know you were a fan last year, probably still are this year. Has his role changed much with Michael Parsons in the mix. I don’t know if it’s changed much, but you’re just seeing him u you’re seeing him on the on the field more on all downs, all three downs, first, second, third down. Uh he’s a very very athletic uh run and hit linebacker that uh seems to be getting better and better with the more snaps he gets. And uh I think with you know Eric Wilson came here and E will was kind of a a foundational piece kind of filling in in some different spots but then ended up getting a lot of playing time just because of his consistency and and doing his job within that defense last year. Uh, but I think Edge is kind of I you you really look at it and you see Cooper being a guy that, you know, they you’re seeing more trust put into him. You’re seeing more playmaking and he’s just being on the field more is allowing him to gain some experience at a pretty rapid pace and he’s starting to become a really really good player, but I’ve always been a fan of his, even going back to the draft. Uh, full throttle field. The other kid, Cash Money or the long play? Cash money. Cash money. Here we go. Blake Cashman has uh he’s uh he’s been a tackling machine of late. Um, how uh Blake Cashman other than 15 tackles in a game or whatever, where does he most help your defense? Well, he calls it. I mean, he’s the green dot. He’s the communication when uh when Cash is in there. Uh we have far less snaps where there’s any sort of chaotic feel and and Harrison Smith has a lot to do with that, too. He’s playing uh a lot more snaps, probably played his most snaps of the season last week. So, the combination of Cash as the green dot calling calling the defense in from Flow and then Harrison and Cash working in conjunction with kind of our check defense we run. Um, we’re just getting more snaps where we get all 11 guys on the same page doing their jobs. And and you’re talking about snaps and you also mentioned Eric Wilson. I’m probably going to get this number wrong, but one, two, or five. Did Did he play um did he play 83 snaps last game including special teams? He played a lot of snaps. Was it a 69 and 14? He uh he has been so impactful for us. I actually just walking uh walking down the hall. He was uh he was heading into we have some massage therapists here on Tuesdays for our guys and he was heading in for his massage and I said, “You know what? I’ll take care of this one and then why don’t you get yourself another one right after cuz uh no, he played they better bring a sledgehammer for those arms.” Oh, have your arms ever looked like that? Are you kidding me? Well, I haven’t felt my ribs in 30 years. I have a right right to ask that question. Yeah. No, he’s he is I mean as much of a physical specimen of as I’ve seen. Um but he is he’s been phenomenal for us. I mean you think about kind of the Cashman injury. You think about some of the things we’ve had to work through with Gink G’s timeout and now that we’re getting kind of the healthiest version of this team it feels like right now coming back together. Hopefully, you know, JG can work through it this week and and find some snaps for us this weekend. Um, but Ewell has kind of been a glue guy that’s held it all together. And when when he’s been doing that, he’s been playing football at a really high level, but he’s also a very, very good special teams player, right? So, you always want to uh you always want to, you know, make sure you’re not taking him totally off that phase. But we also need to be smart and and not overdo it with ewill here the rest of the way. And and not to turn this completely into your male or female body type leader, but Aaron Donald like like what was he built like? was was like similar. Really? He was cut, so he was big, fast, and cut. Oh, yeah. No, he’s he was a Dlineman that had a 12pack and and, you know, 25 in arms and just uh Thank goodness he was such a Aaron Donald such a nice person off the field because if he wasn’t, it would have made for different circumstances working in LA every day. Well, you you mentioned Andrew Vankel, so coach’s choice is going to take us to full throttle field. Um, and and okay, you you mentioned Grenard, you know, could be practicing this week. Hopefully you get him up for the game. Ryan Kelly’s practice window open last week. Who knows? Maybe Ryan plays. Uh, but nevertheless, that could be a full throttle feel for our Minnesota Vikings. But the direction I was taking off this was with Aaron Jones, Andrew Van Ginkle, and say two, three, four games after missing a month and change. And and here’s the point. when when players return from say a month, five weeks away, does it still take time for them to be fully up to speed even though they’re playing? And the reason I ask is because watching it back with with Van Ginkle, it just seemed like something in the second half. Oh, wow. Hey, 2024 just broke out. You know, it just seems like he’s kind of completely back. Yeah, I think it’s, you know, especially veteran players like you’re talking about, those guys normally don’t need a ton of runway coming back, but uh the game is fast. It’s, you know, it’s a very physical game. And and what ends up happening is I think veteran players know when, you know, what know exactly where they’re at from a physical standpoint. They know uh where to, you know, push the gas pedal down and go. They know when they’ve got to, you know, make sure they’re out there for their team. but maybe I’m not all the way there yet and I know I’ll be able to work through that early on here. And I think we’ve seen that with Aaron um over the past couple weeks. And now Aaron feels like he’s really starting to kind of come around and have those those game legs underneath him again. And I think with Gink, it’s just uh you know, mentally, you know, he’s always going to be so sharp. He’s always going to be where he’s supposed to be. Uh but the playmaking ability um seems to be really coming on. And I I saw the same thing you did uh there in the second half and and just some of the rush moves and some of the ways he was kind of putting it all together when he ran down Caleb. Yeah. Just can’t wait to keep seeing, you know, his impact on what we do. And you know, you mentioned it. Would love to get Granard back as well. Kevin Okano X’s and O’s per 9 to noon. FM 100.3 KFAM. Uh the final two in coach’s choice, the long play or the other kid? The other kid. Uh, the other kid is Dallas Turner. All right, he’s the other kid. He’s 22 years of age. Like a JJ McCarthy. Nobody ever talks about Dallas Turner’s footwork, balance, technique, eyes, the whole it’s I mean like what are the keys to his development? Forget that he was a first round pick, you know, forget what he did at Alabama. It’s people are so quarterback focused and I understand why. It’s very important spot. Probably the most important in all sports. Maybe the side of a goalie. no doubt in in hockey. But nevertheless, let’s not forget, you know, Dallas has a right, you know, to Dallas Turner at age 22. What uh well, what are you looking for from him moving forward? Well, I think you’ve seen some real flashes of, you know, pass rush, his explosiveness. I think the every down consistency, you earn those ops to rush the quarterback by the job you do on the early downs. The physicality, setting edges, you know, playing your role as an edge player in our defense is very important to stopping the run. Um, and then I think from a pass rush standpoint, the NFL is not just about your your go-to move every time. It’s about having that go-to move as a rusher, whether it’s speed to bull, whether it’s a long arm, whether it’s a club and rip, you know, whatever it is that those guys, and they’ve got every name and uh move known to man. But you got to figure out what your fast ball is. And much like, you know, when a relief pitcher in Major League Baseball wants to transition to become a starter, you can’t just throw two pitches. You need to have the fast ball and then you need to have your counters off of that that uh when you’re playing Lane Johnson or you’re playing some of these high-end tackles, penul pen su like they’re they’re going to they’re repping all week to rep your counter moves because they’re that confident in stopping the initial rush and you’ve got to be able to pair it together with limited thinking and playing fast and explosive because that’s what Dallas Turner is and he’s got it all in his body. It’s just putting it all together uh from a standpoint of a rush plan. Um the discipline of maybe some game plans like a Lamar Jackson game plan or even Caleb Williams last week where you cannot just rush just with your hair on fire and leave open exit strategies for the these quarterbacks because they are so harmful to to getting them off the field on third down. They’re so, you know, trying to limit the chunk plays when you’re not only having to defend the initial play, but then the offset play, which is in many cases even more dangerous. So, there’s a there’s times in games where you got to kind of put the governor on a little bit and and still find a way to get the rush and have the effect on the quarterback. All of those things are part of the NFL game that I don’t necessarily always think uh these young guys are thinking about at the college level when they’re just kicking butt, beating the guy across from them every single snap with their go-to move. Uh it just that as things ramp up and the you know the best in the world take the field at what they do in the National Football League, there’s constant chase of improvement and Dallas Turner keeps doing that. He’s doing a great job and growing every single opportunity he gets out there. Uh coach’s choice has us down to one category. So there’s only one choice here. It’s called the long play. uh working with a 22-year-old quarterback where where uh mo with most over the course of time it takes time and refinement and patience. So I’m going to begin here first. Do you believe raising a young quarterback takes time? Or given your success with quarterbacks here, really everywhere, but here as head coach, do you feel what you see in practice right now into start six absolutely should occur in every game and right now? I think that’s the difference between a young quarterback playing in our offense and guys that have had experience in other offenses, you know, either success or not as much success. And we’ve had different variations of that um here over my time here. The difference is a young player experiencing the actual NFL game for the first time and what does that do um to your habits that you are trying to have that concrete dry so that it’s not they’re non-negotiables. They’re non you know it doesn’t work to do it uh you know in ways that aren’t the the ways you’re getting coached to do it or you’ve had success doing where the proof is in the work that you’ve put in on the practice field. It’s just a matter of applying those things with discipline every single snap and then you start hitting Jordan Addison on a pylon route early in the game uh on the first drive where you know it’s it’s as good of a look as we’ll have and he knows that and he’s trying to throw the ball there but fundamentally um you know he’s he’s tying a hand behind his back at times with giving himself an opportunity to be as accurate as he can be um by some of those things. And those are the things that when I call those plays, you’re, you know, you’re, the expectation is as a confident play caller and the guys you have on the grass, you’re going to get the uh baseline level of execution, technique, fundamentals. And and if you’re calling the right play at the right time, you expect to see a couple of those things, you know, ring up on the on the board here as as big gains, explosives, maybe even points. And when they don’t, uh, you know, it can alter the way you, uh, attempt to attack the defense the rest of the day because now in the back of your mind as the play caller, even as the quarterback, I need the quarterback thinking, “Hey, here’s the play call. Here’s my job. Trust in what we’re doing and and pull the trigger and be accurate like we know that you can be, but it’s got to start with those. You can’t be thinking about your fundamentals and techniques in those moments. And if you are, that’s going to be pulling away from your ability to play fast and uh be aggressive with your arm because it’s going to slow everything down in the process, PA. So, we’ve got to continue to try to make that uh habit and and and let the concrete dry, as I say, and and kind of like you said in your press conference yesterday, paraphrasing a little bit, is that he he’s making things difficult on himself at times with the simple things. Y isn’t that kind of the way you put it? That’s exactly and and that’s ex I I view, you know, those habits of the quarterback position once we’ve established the way to do things and the right way to do things. Uh I view those as simple because the defense has no effect on uh that aspect of doing your job. The hard part is the late in the the post snap world of playing quarterback where coverages and disguises and blitzes and and things that they can control to make things much much more difficult than just breaking the huddle knowing what to do and and starting there. And when JJ’s done that, there’s whether it’s in the Detroit game, different, you know, different plays last Sunday, the Baltimore game, there is visual evidence of it. And to our talkback question, those get, you know, probably viewed and observed and and then we’re right back to um as the variables and the variance of his play go, so do uh more than likely the the the fan reaction. And that is all valid and and and it’s all um an accurate thing because people uh people want to see JJ McCarthy throw and catch and and do it at a at a high level. And they’ve got high expectations for not only him, but me and our whole entire organization. And uh that’s that’s not necessarily a bad thing, but we’ve got to be doing things with the right principles and the purposes of um elevating a young player and and starting to see him really see the fruits of all the work he puts in. Um and that’s really our whole team, you know, is is right alongside JJ doing that. Well, it as simplistic as I’m about to make this sound, it’s I mean, when when it comes to if it were a preference here, like you could only have one, well, that would be impossible because this is so new to him. But here’s what I’m saying is fourth quarter at Chicago Soldier Field, seven of 10, two touchdown passes, uh runs in the gamewinner. All right. And uh then Detroit, big moments in that game, handled the pressure pretty well. Um a little wonky, a little up and down in the most recent one. The one that ended up mattering the most, holy cow, we’re going to win the game. So, what it’s what I’m getting at here is is inherently, you know, God gives the the the clutch gene or the ability to not freak out when it’s as hot as hot can be. Conversely, on the other side, there are things that clearly, you know, need to be refined and and simplified andor worked on and honed, but you can’t teach the other one. Yep. You know what I’m saying? You can you can search long and it’s not an either or. You got both. You can search long and far and try to find the guy that that has that end of game clutch G and he doesn’t freak out. No, but what uh I think his superpower needs to be is applying that to a second and five in the middle of the second quarter. Applying that level of focus and uh unwilling to be denied and you know need to go the type of day wonky is is an accurate portrayal of the day. Um but we went 85 yards and took the lead. uh we didn’t keep the lead and that that’s a a different conversation you know alto together but no matter what it was like we took the lead no matter what the first Chicago game was in his first and and that’s not to say that everything else that took place before that’s okay I tend to look at it like let’s bring that end of game uh you know focus and and and rhythm and determination and there are a lot of the snaps that I would pull to show you right now of what it should look like came on that drive wow let’s see it in in the first, second, third quarter because what would the game be like for you if you are able to do that? And that’s start number six. That’s what we’ll be looking for to continue to see more and more evidence of it. Because when we see the evidence of it, we’re also going to it’s going to be tied to the offense moving the football and scoring points because that’s what that position does, not only in our offense, but in all 32 offenses in the National Football League. I’m raced. Yep. So therefore, you know, and you’re not smiling, which is good. I’m going to try to make you smile. There’s an old adage in the world of horse racing. I don’t care how I got to the winner circle as long as I got to the winner circle and we’re getting our picture taken. That’s the uh that’s the the jockey with the hand on the neck. I’ve been down there before. I’ve been down there before. Come on. I’m the cartoon character trying to make people laugh here. Thank you. Just two to left. Kevin Oonnell his nose. Uh last game, the first time JJ McCarthy didn’t run in a game. Um, are are you a proponent of your quarterback running or is fine-tuning the pocket game first and foremost with what you desire? No, I think there’s I think it all goes back to the starting point of of what his job if it’s a pass play and and he can uh exhaust the progression and and and there’s not there’s not a lot there for him and he works within the rhythm of the play and takes off and steals us a first down. He’s done that multiple times this year. That’s a huge bonus. Now, when he does that, that happens to coincide with, you know, both instances where he has it’s caused him to miss 24 odd games or so. So, we have to be smart about the decision making late in those downs. Once you’ve done the work, you’ve gotten the yardage, we’ve got a new set of downs. Protect yourself. And it doesn’t always have to be diving head first on that right shoulder of yours either. like there’s there’s the competitive side and then there’s the NFL quarterback play for a really long time with you know being that competitor side and and we’re those are all things we’re you know we talk about a lot and we’re trying to kind of mesh together but I do think there’s an element to um circumstantial and and there were some opportunities that the way the Bears were playing the other day you know I know a lot of folks want more runs on some of those third and two to threes and and and they had seven players on the line of scrimmage you know we got six to block them unless you’re going to magically uh unless you’re going to magically create another player or ask Justin Jefferson to go down there and uh you know block uh you know block one of those guys Kevin Ber the third Kevin Byer the third then you’ve the only way to equalize those numbers out is to run your quarterback which many many teams in this league do um week in and week out and I think there’s times for that u but you also don’t want to make a living doing that when you’re trying to uh continue to see this quarterback grow by playing the position Mh. Um, but there’s a time and a place for it for sure. I’m not against it, but there’s running responsibly, too. So, like I was so excited for that Bears game, man. I got up at 4:55 in the morning and and so I start watching the Bears and the Giants to memorize some Bears defensive numbers just to the nickel, the whole thing. Uh, but um so I’m watching Jackson Dart on some of these designed runs and I’m like, “Wow, holy cow, he’s a violent runner.” You know, some stuff was working, but he’s going to take everybody on. Well, then he gets a concussion for the fourth time this year and he’s out. Yep. So, I’m thinking to myself, wow, you know, I mean, McCarthy, you know, he could do a lot of this, too. But then I’m I’m, you know, I’m wondering, you would have to do it more responsibly, be more cognizant of sliding or getting out of bounds as opposed to the other kid who’s super gifted. You see what I’m saying here? Yeah. Running responsibly. And the uh the NFL hash hash marks are uh uh you can you can do the math on how much further they are from the sideline. So Oh, good point. This old metric of just run the ball and get to the sideline. Yeah. Uh they got guys over there too and they’re very much well aware of where that sideline is and the angle to take to meet you well before you get to that sideline. Yeah. Um so there there’s a I I I was very very familiar with that Giants uh Bears film. watched it watched it a few times obviously and um yeah some of those hits you know you’re gaining yards and and all those things but and they’re not all built like Lamar no you know like ask Kyler I mean early in Kyler Murray’s career you know he has like 10 rushing touchdowns or something but then it was one too many took the wrong kind of hit was like Al not 10 rushing touchdowns but he missed like 10 games because of the way he was running and the hits he was taking being slight of frame there’s just not that many examples of guys you know having a very long sustained career playing where that style is the style that’s you know even everybody talks about Lamar. Lamar has become a phenomenal pocket passer. Great rhythm, base, makes great decisions. He’s accurate, throws in rhythm. Um those plays where he ends up impacting the game. You can watch, they played against the Brian Flores defense two weeks ago and the Lamar designed runs or reading variations of runs didn’t come until the fourth quarter when they needed those. the the the call sheet had been exhausted and they needed those to secure some final first downs there to not let us have a chance to try to win that football game late, but it was not part of the early down menu early in that game. You know, he’s too important to their team and brilliant and I I think people understand that. You uh you ever take off on a successful read option at SDSU, maybe against Calpali Pomona or something? I did. I did. I was actually in four minute one time and we ran kind of a Statue of Liberty version of the play. I got the first down. should have went down. I kept trying to strain for some more yards. Punch out, ball out. New Mexico takes the ball and and beats us on the last play of the game. So, you didn’t give your best when your best was required. I was not a situational master in the moment. Um, low low red, high red. Last one, I promise. Uh, Justin Jefferson’s work on Jordan Mason’s touchdown was perfection. Uh he blocked their leading tackler, Kevin Byer III, so tenaciously he knocked the Roman numeral right off the back of his jersey. Uh when the uh when the top identity related player on your team works hard like that, does it make it easier to show others what needs to be done to win at the highest level? Well, you don’t need to show any anybody in this building. Uh because they see it every day. They see it. Uh, but I do think it’s a good thing for um anybody out there, football players or not, or just fans to understand you you can you see the competitor in Justin when he’s open on a third down and we don’t pitch and catch the level that he’s become accustomed to or he’s frustrated that we’re not winning a game. This guy’s one of the greatest competitors I’ve ever been around. Um, and that can come out sometimes. Uh, but that doesn’t mean he’s showing up anybody or his frustrations are boiling over to the point where, you know, Justin is one of the greatest competitors I’ve ever been around. He’s a phenomenal teammate. But if you ever have any question of what he’s all about, go watch that play. Just put it on repeat over and over and not even not even the block, PA. The first block, the second block where he finished, you know, the block and secured the space required for JP to score that touchdown. Yep. Watch the reaction. Oh, of number 18. We discussed it earlier. I mean, do you know what he was saying? It’s almost like he was looking at the crowd and just like, “Who says receivers don’t block?” What? What? Who says I can’t block? What? What? But it was uh Yeah. No, it was uh that was as one of my and Justin’s had a lot of them. You think of the last, you know, however many games here that I’ve gotten the the joy of coaching him. he’s had, whether it’s Buffalo, whether it’s, you know, some of the plays he’s made, you know, in triple team coverages going that that was one of my favorites. That was one of my favorites as far as uh just a selfless captain of your team, showing up in a big moment. Um, and doing something different than, you know, ending up with the ball in his hands, doing the gritty in the end zone. It was it was total team football right there. And great example for not just the Vikings, but a lot of folks out there. You’re awesome. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Minnesota Vikings Head Coach Kevin O’Connell talks with Voice of the Vikings and KFAN’s Paul Allen ahead of the Week 12 game vs. the Green Bay Packers.

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