1 Knicks Fan vs 10 New York Haters! (feat. @hoopology_yt)

1 Knicks Fan vs 10 New York Haters! (feat. @hoopology_yt)

Melo is not LeBron. All right, so this is what we’re saying. This is why he’s the problem. The Knicks were poverty before Melo. That’s the thing about being a star player, isn’t it? Aren’t you supposed to elevate the people that’s around you? I can’t stand your fan base. If anyone messed up Jeremy Lynn, it was Kobe Bryant. The one thing that I distinctively remember was looking at my TV and saying, “Why is Julius Randle so ass right now?” My first claim is Jaylen Brunson is a top three point guard in the NBA. It’s not ridiculous coming from a Knicks fan, but it’s a little delusional. Shake Gilus Alexander, last time I checked, is a point guard. Um, Luca Donic is We got him there. Now, how about one last one for the ride? Stephell Stephen Curry. This is coming from someone who obviously loves watching the Warriors. Loveves Steph Curry. It’s my favorite player since Dererick Rose. I’m surprised you don’t got the jersey glued to your chest right now. I’m surprised they got you in that jacket. Well, you know, cuz my first player of all time that I love is Dererick Rose, you know. So, that’s my guy. That’s my goat. That’s my goat. Even if Derrick Rose was in the league today at prime. Jaylen Brunson. Where would he fall in that? But we just going to let that ride. Um, all I’m going to say with Jaylen Brunson is top five. Top five for sure in terms of point guard. Top five for sure. Yeah. So, I disagree with Wardell. Interesting. Prime prime of course. I don’t think that’s a question. I think he would be the best point guard in the league still. Uh, Wardell will be 38 years old by the time he’s in the playoffs this year. Steph Curry is still very explosive. He can still go off for those electric shooting nights. Um, but last year, I think, is when we saw the most cracks in his armor. Some really poor shooting performances that I don’t think Jaylen Brunson is as accustomed to having. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. If I remember correctly now, considering that both of them are light-skinned and different statures, it shouldn’t be hard to figure out which one of those guys was shooting 38% from the field in the first four games of the postseason for the New York Knicks last season. Aaron Nmith was out there putting belt to ass to the guy that not only got a contract for New York, but got his daddy to help him get that contract. So, so, so tampering. Yeah. I mean, Steph Curry had a couple performances in big-time playoff uh implying games. I remember one against Houston where he just had an absolute dud. I can’t even give you the statistics on that. I know just everyone saw that game. It was really bad. Jaylen Brunson with perhaps the downs he has with being a volume scorer. I just don’t think they’re as low as Steph. I think I mean the last two seasons it’s factual. Brunson’s averaged more points, more assists, less turnovers, and on very similar efficiency. Obviously Steph’s volume and uh difficulty of three-pointers. I factor that in. So, I’m not going to say Brunson is a 40% three-point shooter. I understand Steph’s better, but Jaylen Brunson as a playoff performer, I think it’s weird that you would take a shot at him in that way. I thought you’d go more to like the way that you took a shot at Steph Curry, who Steph Curry, I didn’t say playoffs. I said there’s more cracks in his armor than there was. That’s factual. No, cuz Jaylen Brunson in the 2024 playoffs, he had a 10ame stretch of shooting 28 shots a game, 36 points on like 48% shooting. And tell me how many of those is not what that’s a team accomplishment. Is it a team accomplishment? Cuz Steph went winning in that final MVP of the entire three years ago. That was three or four years ago. Am I right? Steph is 38. He was 33 when he won the title 5 years later. I’m just saying. I’m just saying. I want to talk about the actual best point guard over in the East. And now, while he may be injured, this is the same man that has two wins in the playoffs over Jaylen Brunson and the Knicks. We’re talking about one of the greatest playoff runs we’ve ever seen, ever. And if it wasn’t for a game seven injury, who knows what will happen. We might be talking about this for decades. Who knows? Tyrese Hallebertton. Yeah. What the hie? Tyrese Hallebertton led that Pacers team to a miraculous run. But he doesn’t lead the Pacers in the same way that I think Jaylen Brunson does with the Knicks specifically because we’re talk about the Pacers. We’re talking about TJ McConnell. Andrew, we are. No, I’m saying Jaylen Brunson in 2024. It was him averaging 36. We’re not talking about Josh Hart. We’re not talking about these other guys. It’s Jaylen Brunson or bust with these other talks. We’re talking about, oh, if TJ McConnell stayed in the game and Tyrese didn’t come back, they wouldn’t have been a run. That those were conversations that were being had that I’m saying Jaylen Brunson carries a much bigger load offensively and Tyrese Hallebertton cannot self-create in the same way that Jaylen Brunson does. Now, for his teammates, obvious I I want to say he he absolutely clears as a playmaker. It’s not it’s not close. But in terms of what Jaylen Brunson can do without necessarily other people to initiate offense and have other people break people down off the dribble, Jaylen Brunson can do more with a lot less. And Talib Hallebertton raises talent immensely. And the way that Jaylen Brunson perhaps cannot, but Jaylen Brunson when lacking is enough. Hallebertton when lacking is not enough. So that you’re saying the Knicks, this this Knicks team was that much less than the Pacers team that they faced last season. I mean, I think the depth was just clearly an issue for the Knicks. I think Tom Tibido was clearly an issue for the Knicks. I think their style of offense was clearly an issue for the Knicks. But this is a team that you wanted. You’re the the same team that paid OG Anobi 230 million to stay on that team. I love OG. You traded five first round picks for Macau Bridges. You I’m saying dumped everything for Carl Anthony Towns to be on like this is the team you built. I’m saying when when Tibs goes like seven deep and the Pacers can go nine or 10 deep, like I don’t think there’s just a leg up they have. I want to give the Pacers credit. They were the better team. Um, but especially if we’re talking about like projecting, I know obviously with the Achilles injury, it’s difficult. Um, but I do think with Mike Brown, like you’ll see like people like he pounds the ball into the ground and I think Brunson has a lot more to offer that potentially Hallebertton is just very much, you know, we don’t talk about it as much because of the the playoff run, but there are games he’s like eight points, uh, you know, 10 assists, um, and kind of like just disappearing in big moments where I I mean, Jaylen Brunson was just clutch player of the year. Um, and although he’s hit some amazing shots, I don’t want to give him credit to that. I think he’s just much more spotty than Jaylen Brunson, who’s very consistent. I will say my final thought, I think, uh, Tyrese Hallebertton knows how to elevate elevate his teammates a lot more than Jaylen Brunson. I agree. And yeah, we’re talking about you’re naming all the players that on the paces, man. Aaron Eastmith was traded so many times before he finally got to Indiana and helped elevate himself. Are you contributing his success to Tyres Hallebertton or do you think Aaron Eastmith just became a better basketball player? I think I think they go hand in hand. I mean, I know how loves to feed his teammates whenever he can. I think this just that’s just how I feel. Great playmaker. Absolutely. Of course. What I will say about Hallebertton is that you think that it’s so much more valuable that Jaylen Brunson and like it’s so much more. I just said it’s more valuable. Okay. That it’s more valuable for Jaylen Brunson in any given playoff series to give you like 28 points and five assists compared to 21 or 22 points and 11 or 12 assists. Is it 22 or is it more like 18? It could vary between 18 and 20. That’s what I’m saying. That’s that’s a bit of a difference. Is it though? 18 to like 21. Yeah, a little bit. I don’t know. But just pairing the scoring, which you said, I I’ll give you like the scoring gap is large. That’s what I want to give that spotty at times, but there are the times where Tyrese Alurnin’s given you 35 and 13 in a high lever situation. And about the one-on-one creation, he’s hitting clutch shots in the postseason, leading his Pacers to a trip to the NBA Finals. And Jayen Brunson hit those clutch shots as well. I don’t know if you saw the one against the Sar Thompson. So, I want to say can’t do that. No, he can. I never said he can’t. I what I want to say is that Jaylen Brunson just doesn’t leave his team hanging as much as Hallebertton does. Cuz there’s times he just I feel like I feel like leaves hanging becomes less team hanging. He came through in the biggest moments imaginable. He did. He propelled them forward. He didn’t like He did. But I’m I’m also just looking at like the previous history of, you know, the last time he’s been with, you know, the Pacers these last couple years. Obviously, he’s had I don’t want to take away that he’s have some of the best playoff moments in NBA history. But Jaylen Brunson, I think is consensus one of the best becoming one of the best playoff guard scorers ever. like there’s just there’s no flaw in terms of I mean there’ll be off shooting nights of course um but in terms of a guy who just gets to his spot in the ending of a close game. Hallebertton is this kind of like floating around the three-point line and trying to get settled and Brunson is someone with his, you know, big body. Brunson could put a shoulder in at the free throw line, draw some contact, make a shot and gets to that spot more than Hallebertton does. While I do admit that there’s somewhat of a gap between them in terms of being one-on-one scorers, I think there’s a large gap. That’s what I want to make. There’s that large gap when again in the postseason like one of those clutch shots that Tyrese Hallebertton hit, he took Giannis Antenna Kmpo one-on-one for game, took him to the rim and finished. Absolutely. There’s there’s no way that there can be that big of a gap in that same situation. Maybe Jaylen Brunson isn’t finishing in that situation. Who knows? I mean, we could talk the hypotheticals, but I I do think Brunson’s scoring output, especially in the playoffs, I mentioned before, like Brunson if 2024 playoffs, if you recall, he had two stinkers against Philly, and then the next 10 games was 36 a night on 48% field goal percentage without Julius Randle, second option. So, I think there was just such a load put on him that he could handle that very few players in NBA history can, right? And considering we’re comparing Brunson Hallebertton, I think that’s such a valuable aspect to have a guy like that on your team, right? But if there’s any guy that can also handle that kind of pressure, I don’t think he can. I think he then did he get to game seven against the Pacers were incredible. The Pacers were incredible to act like Tyrese Hallebertton of that team. Was Was Tyresese Hallebertton a lock to win Finals MVP? That is true. That is true. That is true. Case my next claim is Jaylen Brunson is a better scoreer than Allan Iverson. No. Okay. Okay. It’s a crazy steak you said, man. How old are you? 23. Oh god. Oh, so you didn’t really watch AI play too much. Not in my childhood. No. So why would you say that he’s a better scoreer than Allen Iverson if you didn’t even see him play that much? Well, I like to do my my research and my history. His research highlights. How’s the highlights? I mean, they they got full games on League Pass. I’m not saying I’ve watched as many Iverson games as I has Brunson. Um, but using the context that I’ve heard about Allen Iverson, that I’ve seen about Ivan Iverson, about the statistical information I’ve seen about Allen Iverson, I think regardless of error, and we can get into that debate right now, but Jaylen Brunson, I think for many reasons a much more efficient scorer and someone who was also still a high volume scorer, and I think Jaylen Brunson is a better scorer than prime Allen Iverson. Not career, just peak for peak. Okay, I peak for peak. That’s crazy. That’s crazy because Allen Iverson, do you realize he went against some of the best defenders that there was in the times? There’s no defenders. They can’t hand like they did. Allen Iverson had to deal with handchecking. Allen Iverson, he had to deal with the Lakers. The dynasty Lakers. Okay. Jaylen Brunson isn’t on the Western Conference, so he doesn’t have to deal with the Dynasty. Uh, he didn’t have to deal with Celtics are a pretty stout defense. They’re not a dynasty, though. A defense. We’re talking I’m just talking about the team. I’m talking about the team, though. Allan Iverson had no other. I’m just putting all the packaging together, right? Aaron McKe and they’re bums, right? I I agree. I know where you’re going with this, but Allan Iverson when he was like a little past 30, he was still averaging 30 with the the Sixers in ‘ 07, got shipped off to Denver with offensive talent and was still in efficient. Allen Iverson in the 2004 Olympics shot 40% from the field with all that help against those weak countries. And what did Jaylen Brunson do in the Olympics? I don’t know exactly. We don’t know. I’m saying in the in the NBA on the world’s biggest stage, he is someone who is just clearly more efficient. I think it’s not close the the shot quality that Jaylen Brunson produces. I want to say Allen Iverson might be the most impressive NBA player ever. I want to give it up for Allen Iverson because he’s I I don’t want to downplay him as like a motor and someone who continues to be relentless to the rim, but his shot diet is on such difficult shots that naturally it’s just inefficient. And he’s he’s just naturally a 40% field goal percent shooter wherever he is in Denver with talent, without talent in the Olympics, wherever. That’s just who he is because he relies on tough shots at a really small frame. Jaylen Brunson, although is shorter in frame, uses his size to get off these so much better looks. And aside from like the fact of like getting to a spot, which I think Brunson clears in, there is just a such a huge gap in terms of these touch from three, from the free throw line, from the mid-range. Jaylen Brunson is just miles ahead, a better shooter than Allen Iverson. And Allen Iverson took threes back then. So, it’s not like, oh, if he didn’t shoot that many threes, though, he shot maybe like three or four threes a game. He didn’t shoot that many threes a game. Does that imply that and the three in the in the game was way different though. So you can’t but that doesn’t that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a a bad shooter. If he was a very efficient scorer because the thing is Allen Iverson was scoring he’s a bad bad shooter. No he sure I’ll give him he was more efficient but a score in general know Allen Iverson was better because Allen Iverson had more ropes in his bag. There’s a reason they teach little kids this move. It’s called the Iverson. Do you know Brunson’s footwork? Is there a move named after Brunson though? Alonzo Trier had a nice crossover. That doesn’t mean he was they ain’t got nothing named after him though. And my point is my point is man you if you’re going to compare who’s more efficient. Sure you can do statistics and all these other things but the stats don’t tell the same game same story as the game that was played back in the 90s and 2000s in comparison to 2010s and 2020s. Allan Iverson if he played the rules that was today he was his game he probably would have been scoring 35 a night. It doesn’t make him a better shooter but I respect your take. That’s fine. How dare you? See, this is the emotional stuff I was talking about. This is knee-jerk reaction on Cityline A TJ uh TJ Fridays when he would park his Bentley in the handicap spot. That’s neither here nor there. Were you there when he shot five for 28 against the Milwaukee Bucks? I watched him score on Comcast four scoring titles as a six-foot guard. How many does Brunson have? No scoring. I watched him as a rookie 96. How many shots did he take? Have 28 have four point games in a row set a rookie record. How many% Hey, efficiency Z. You can take your analytics and shove them. Listen. No. Who was a better scoreer, Alan Iverson or Shaquille O’Neal? Listen. I He’s not answering. We’re not talking about the big fella. We’re not talking about the big fell had more scoring titles than Shaq in his era. Was he a better score? Tell me that. I’m not talking about the big fellow. We’re talking about big body here. I’m here to tell you cuz Shaq was more efficient. Do you do you value that efficiency? Listen. Listen. Do you value that efficiency? Do you value those analytics? And to my and to the point that was made, Allan Iverson had to go up against Kobe Bryant. Okay. Tracy McGrady. Ray Allen Carter. And he took a headto-head match up. No, you talking about scoring. We just talking about flat out scoring. That’s what I’m saying. He he was scoring on Tracy McGrady. Was Tracy McGrady this all world defender all day long in a 68. Was he an all world defender? 69. Iverson 6 foot soaking. Allan Iverson is one of the best scorers in the last uh 30 years of basketball. I agree. I agree. He got all the scoring. So how can Brunson be in the same neighborhood? I know he went to Villanova that’s outside of Philly, but he is not the god of Philly like like Allan Iverson is. Yeah. Yo, yo, you know, Alan Iverson got a memoir coming out in a week or two. You can’t disrespect Alan Iverson. Not this month. He’s in the Hall of Fame first ballot. I’m not going to allow you to do it. If I put out a biography on Ron Baker right now, that doesn’t make him a better point guard than I. I came all the way from Philly. 95 put in a crockpot. That’s what happened. What? I jump out the pot and see put you in the microwave. Listen, I’m here to tell you I saw him I saw the cross. You see Jordan’s ankle still shaking from I saw Michael Beasley with my own two eyes. I Oh, no. No. Brunson is cool. I know he got a little feet work. Flop central. Free throw merchant. You know how many Allen How many free throws Allen Iverson I more than that. Oh, you should have. They were smacking him around. If you if you played ball in 1990s in the 2000s, the physicality was so much different. He went up against Shaq. M I will not allow you to say he’s in the same neighborhood with Alan Iverson. Jaylen Brunson is in the same as Alan Iverson and he’s in a bigger house. That’s what’s wrong with you. A nicer car. That’s what’s wrong with you Nick fans. You’re delusional. You still You’re delusional. Hey, Iverson’s so good. They’ll put a street name around the corner like how you did for Josh R. Allan Iverson Boulevard. Since y’all giving out street names, what are we talking about? Final thought. When you add street signs and houses and neighborhoods, talk about efficiency. Talk about field goals. How many points? How many shots? You know what happened when Jaylen Brunson had 28 shots a game? 36 points. Listen. Listen. I don’t care about no analytics or nothing. You keep all that. I’m here for the vibes. I I see that you are here for the vibes. And when it comes to scoring, Ellen Iverson is a vibe. He is more of a vibe. He is more of a vibe. My next claim is Carl Anthony Towns is the best three-point shooting big man in NBA history. The Joker, Nicola Joic. I don’t feel like I have to go too much into this. He won a ring and the stuff he’s putting up now in the current day NBA and not just the three-point shooting. I mean everything else, too. Well, if we’re just talking about the three-point shoot, I want to keep it three-point shooting. Fair enough. But I would rather have Joic as my shooting big than I would Carl Anthony Towns any day of the week. It’s easier chemistry. I’d say it’s more as star players shooting threes or just the two of them shooting. You’d take Jokic? I’d say both. Okay. I’d say both. Yeah. So, I I disagree. I don’t I’m not familiar I’m not familiar with the Jokic shooting volume. Um I mean Cat for his career, I know he there’s a little less volume on the Knicks, maybe four or five a game, but it’s just consistently he’s a 40% career three-point shoot. the T- Wolves. Um but the T- Wolves he was like seven, eight a game. Um where that I think is where he makes his claim is I mean he was doing that on 40% efficiency. That was the most in terms of center volume. Obviously when Binyama is doing a lot this year he’s very young but Cat with all the volume still keeping the efficiency. I think if I were to argue Cat versus Joic it would be the volume and also just the career statistical things. I know this past year, Joic really made his uh best player in the world case very sound by becoming a great three-point shooter, but I don’t think it’s as consistent, especially just like catch and shoot situations. Like if if Cat has that thing on a corner wide open, he’s pulling it. Yic is very like hesitant. He’ll take it in rhythm, which he is he is nice in those situations, but I think there’s a different level to what Kat can do in his versatility to the point where you can’t leave Cat out there. Joic, it’s like if he’s But the thing is Joic is hesitant. I feel like you can leave cat out there because when it pay for it depends. I mean you really it I guess it depends on who is on cat but at the same time I would feel way worse as a defense leaving Joic open at the three line or even just shot cuz I I agree Joic is a better player. I want to make it abundantly clear but that also ties into this trope. He is also a better three-point player. And the fact that he is a better player at post moves, at mid-range, at the Does that apply to the three-point shooting? In the grand scheme of things, it absolutely does because it enables Joic to get open for those threes. Think about it. It’s spacing, right? If the spacing is better, if there’s more threats at different levels, who do you think’s a better spacer at the five, Cat or Joic? Yogic. All right. I just fundamentally disagree. I think the volume is just so overwhelming with Cat that as well as Jokic can shoot on his limited attempts, I think it’s difficult to make an argument that he’s better considering Cat just does it so much more often. I don’t know what the all time numbers are, but I know they’re drastically different, but I appreciate your take. I think Cat is an all-time great shooting big man, one of the greatest shooting sevenfooters of all time. Uh, we can start with Joic first. The point you’re talking about the volume, I think that’s kind of a moot point because Joic is so much better as the complete offensive player. The reason his volume is so much higher, Cats, is because that’s like his bread and butter. Jokic has so many other tools he can turn to. So, I don’t I’m just surprised y’all are turning to Jokic cuz I feel like No, no, there’s there’s another guy we’re going to get to for sure. Yeah, I was I thought we were talking about that other guy. One, uh I don’t think we got to put the Jokic thing to bed first. One, I don’t think Joic’s three-point shooting this last season was an aberration on his career. I think two years ago during the finals run, he’s a four. No, I don’t I don’t think he’s I don’t think it’s reflected by the two years ago numbers, whatever they I think he’s a good shooter. He is cuz last year he was down to like 30 down year. Last year if you take out the heaves he goes from a 40% three-point shooter to a 45% three-point shooter. So he does get him in percentages. The other thing I would say too is Cats like um how erratic he is offensively I think hinders him in these conversations. He’s nowhere near as consistent as Joic is from the three-point line or just because I would say overall Well, is it because of the volume? It’s not because of the volume. Cat is just more inherently inconsistent offensively. When’s the last time you’ve seen a Jokic eight-point game? Do you think that is implied by the statistics? What do you mean specifically of Cat have being this this erratic yet? Well, you look at the end of season, he’s five threes a game on 40 41%. I mean, he is more prone to having these off nights from behind the arc than Jokic is. But a Joic often like he could go 0 for one like a lot of nights. For sure. For sure. I’ll give you that. The the other thing that I would say skill-wise, if we’re actually looking at their abilities as players, Joic, in my opinion, you can disagree with this. I think is a better off the dribble three-point shooter as well, like fair. Think about moments against I think Cat has a little step back in his game, but Joic definitely can like in a little dribble. I I would also I also think Cat is just more versatile in terms of range. I think Joic from a couple feet up, aside from that little one-legged sucker against the Lakers, it’s just not as consistent. But I also think there is something to be said about the actual mechanics of the shot. Cat is so quick. Is it wet or not? You [ __ ] is wet. Cat’s shot is wet. I’m saying if we’re we’re comparing like we’re getting real close here. I’m saying we’re we’re nitpicking here. Larry Bird might have the goofiest damn jumper all time. How many How many threes did he make a game? I’m not talking about Bird right now. There is one guy that we’re forgetting with a pretty goofy form. Actually very very like Larry Bird. Please give me the case why Cat is over Dirk cuz that one I really don’t get. Yeah. I mean the base of the argument I don’t want to just rely on statistics because it is more volume higher different era. Yes. And Cat 40% shooter for his career. Uh Durk 38. Um Cat takes like one more three a game. Um but what I would say is Durk back then we we were talking about a little bit earlier with those defenders, those sevenfooters, especially you want to talk about 2011, those guys that had to close out on the three-point line. Kendrick Perkins, 36-y old Marcus Hamby on the Blazers. He done got to face freaking Evan Mobley and all these Chad these these guys that are used to covering bigs from the three-point line cuz now we got guys like Brook Lopez shooting threes. So I think for Durk in that matchup of sevenfooters like if cuz Durk had years playing the five like you need to realize that. So there were some blanky big old centers that could not shuffle and waddle out to the three-point line whereas I think Cat plays tougher switchable defense to guard his three-pointer. So I I don’t think that’s like the era really. I think it helps the cat. I don’t think I think the defenders are definitely better nowadays. I’ll give you that. I think Durk just had an unblockable shot that you couldn’t stop. He was going to shoot that over you regardless. Good [ __ ] Appreciate it. My next claim is Carmelo Anthony was not the problem for the New York Knicks in the 2010s. What? Carmelo Anthony was definitely the problem for the New York Knicks in the 2010s. You think it was the biggest problem? Uh, besides Dolan, you just you just proved my point, bro. No, no, no, no. Because what? Don’t Don’t walk back on there. No, no, no, no, no. Get out. Cuz Dolan Dolan is He just proved my point. There’s a reason that Carmelo Anthony is there. One, two, Carmemelllo Anthony hoged up all the money. Three, Carmelo Anthony. Carmelo Anthony hog that money. Carmelo Anthony was the front office. He hog he willingly took it. Jayen Jaylen Brunson didn’t do that. Jaylen Brunson didn’t do that. Jaylen Brunson said, “You know what? I I’ll take some of this back. You know what? You got some aspirations working with that. So, you can see, bro, Carmemelllo Anthony was easily the problem. And aside from shooting the Knicks out of the game every single time, were they in the game? Yeah. With who? The Knicks were the Knicks were competent with Carmelo Anthony during the 2010s. The Knicks were in the playoffs. What era? Like are we are we talking 2013? Are we talking 2017? Like 2013, 2014, 2014 up until they got where they missed the playoffs. Up until they left. Yes. And what would be the reason for them missing the playoffs? The team sucked, right? And there are players such as there are players like a LeBron James. There are players like a how you mention Melo is not LeBron. All right. So this is what we’re saying. This is why he’s the problem. What? Cuz he’s not LeBron. Because there are players that make their teammates better. There are players that elevate the players that are around them. Players that don’t do that. Now we’re talking. So if Melo doesn’t do that, but he’s the problem. If he’s a star player and he can’t elevate, he’s the problem. If Carmemelllo Anthony on that big old contract in 2016 with Joseé Calderon, Aaron Alalo, a rookie Christoph Porzingis, Robin Lopez, if he was making all those dudes better, are they in the playoffs? No. If he makes them better, why not? What? If he makes them better, why not? Did you not see Manducas Kazminskis play basketball? Did you not see Ron Baker play basketball? These are NBA players. Clean Anthony early. These are NBA players. The The issue is Phil. The issue is the front office. It’s Phil Jackson. It was Amari Stmmire’s health. Those are those are the bigger issues more than Melo. Melo can be problematic. He doesn’t make his teammates better. He could be a ball hug. He could be a ball stopper. All of the above, right? But he was not the problem with my point. He was more than the front office. If Melo was the most unselfish and team friendly guy of all time. They still suck. Forced that trade to We can’t. No, we can’t. The Knicks made the trade. They gutted the roster to put him with Amari and Amari was hurt. He was top. He was making top three money. Amari was to ride the bench, right? Yeah. But and so now we go to Now we go to No, no, no, no, no. Now you’re not cooking. You’re not cooking cuz now we go to Carmelo. There were there were still plenty of years. Why is he a bigger problem? He was on the Knicks before they had Ron Baker. I’m not talking. The Knicks were still a problem. The Knicks were the Knicks were poverty before Melo. Couldn’t get out of the whole era of the 2000s. They were buns. The front off was horrible. They were bad before Melo, bad after. take a top five player in the NBA and say, “You’re going to be our cornerstone.” And that was their fault. And they still didn’t do anything because of the player that they turned to doesn’t have the ability to do that for the team. If if I if I hire him on a $und00 million contract to take the Knicks to the playoffs and he doesn’t do it, is it his fault or is it my fault? He’s not an NBA player. What the You can’t use if you can’t use him as an example. All right. You can’t use him as an example. I’m going to hire Simbul. He’s taking me to the playoffs. No. No. Simul doesn’t have an athletic bone in his body. We’re talking about NBA. the NBA. He was 300 lb. Respect Symbol. Similar was 300 lb. Respect My Team legend Simbal. He has like he was a he was a bronze in that my team that he’s talking about. By the way, that’s 60 to 70 overall. He was not good. He was not good. And I I don’t think I think Melo was a problem just because not the problem. He he could be problematic. Not the problem. Well, it’s the Knicks we’re talking about. So, there’s always going to be a plethora of problems, but he was the biggest one. He was the biggest one. You know, Phil Jackson’s first official move as a president of the New York Knicks. Tell me. He signed Lamar Odum who was on crack. Okay, I’m done. Okay. Who does Carmelo Anthony really make better? No. Nobody. So therefore, he is the problem. No. Let’s Let’s really talk about it. 2020. Do you think Do you think you could win with I I named off the roster in 2016. If Melo was I bring up this hypothetical if he was that type of player. Yeah. Um first off, just really quick wanted to spell the whole winning thing. I just because his play style is ball stopish and whatever like he did win in college was very impressive first year. He he was he’s an alltime team USA player with meshing with other talent. So it’s not like he’s just this inherently. I think so much of it had to do with the Knicks roster. If Melo was this playmaker and beating doubles and skips what about what about coming short um in the second round against the Indiana Pacers in the 2012 players or So now now what is that? What is that? Like I want to know like what is that? I want to know like yeah so I mean JR Smith was one of the I don’t know how he was on the highest paid players on that team. Amari was in 2013 he was like 17 a game compared to they brought him in they gutted the roster which is the first issue to get rid of Wilson Chandler Dell Gallinari who were guys at the time for sure for Melo to pair him with Amari. Amari game two layup lines of the 2011 playoffs uh strains his back. He’s never the same. Gets progressively worse and worse and worse but he’s making top three money till 2015. So, you have this duo that was made together, gutted the rest of the roster, supposed to have these guys, one of them’s out. Now, it’s Melo. He signed Jr. draft Shump. You bring in Tyson Chandler. Now, we got a playoff team, right? J.R. Smith being one of those core pieces was, and I love J.R., I want to make this clear, but he was just such a poor playoff player in terms of efficiency. I don’t It may have been sub 30% to be honest. Like, it was really bad. I mean, J.R. is still a guy that could hit some shots though. You can still have that. You can still have that game in. But if we’re talking about why they they lost to the Pacers, I think it’s kind of disingenuous to point to Melo. They was favored. Weren’t they favored? I They probably were. But I’m saying J.R. was someone that’s tough. We got to give the same slack to other people then. Like what what about Melo? What? Why did Melo fall short? Why did Melo fall short compared to the Knicks? Cuz he can’t make people better. That’s that’s that’s the simple that’s the simple thing. I mean, that’s the thing about being a star player, isn’t it? Aren’t you supposed to elevate the people that’s around you or not? I mean, that’s definitely a expected aspect of your um job description as a star player. And how much is he getting paid? Do you think Do you think Melo made the Knicks the Denver Nuggets better? No, he didn’t. Why did the Knicks pay him all that much? You You’re getting a guy just expecting him to go from a dog to a turtle. Like, it’s No, but that’s why he’s the problem then. No, it’s the the Knicks, man. There’s more Nicks than just Melo. Like they could have they could have brought in someone else. Who? Like who? I don’t know. Someone like who? It’s the front off the front office. We’re going with Melo. Melo was a problem. I feel like we are brushing off the fact of like how Carmelo Anthony even got to New York. Like that’s because you know you say you know Nicks paid him all this money. All Carmemelllo Anthony had to do was wait like half a season. half a season. And we might be talking about Carmel Anthony as a different player cuz they sent the goddamn hall. Yes. And then the the Knicks did the Knicks front office did that. They were the ones who gutted the roster. But also the Knicks were worried about Melo signing with the Nets for more money. Had he got there? That’s why the Knicks made the move. The Knicks front office made the move. Again, another poor move from a history of poor moves in the Knicks office. We’ve seen I I want to just get this off real quick cuz I want to touch on Phil Jackson because he signed Lamar Odum. Um, but you remember he uh he fell asleep during Donovan Mitchell’s pre-draft workout and drafted Frank Nilakino, who he hadn’t worked out. You remember that? Mavericks legend. Mavericks legend Frank. The the Knicks the Knicks traded they they traded away a 2016 first round pick which was lottery for a washed Andrea Barnani. Like people don’t understand how weak how disgustingly horrible that Nick’s front office is. And to blame all this on Melo and say this is on Melo’s shoulders, I just think is disingenuous because he was someone who at the very least gave you hope in a in a city that I mean they weren’t getting any other stars, right? Um he was one who came and despite all the crap that was going on, Phil Jackson said he wanted to coach home games and not go to away games and have someone else do the away games because he wanted to he he wanted to run his triangle offense and he he whiff he whiffed on Steve Kerr become the Knicks head coach. I don’t people remember that was Steve Kerr and he hired Derek Fischer who just retired from the NBA like 12 days earlier. So like there’s just a as his puppet like people don’t understand like hey shout out to Zen master Phil Jackson but like he’s not safe in the city bro like I will say though uh people underell the front office. Sure. Sure. But at the end of the day Carmemell Anthony is a player that wanted to go to New York. Yes. He prioritized getting the bag because during that time the NBA was in a lockout. So he wanted to secure his money just to end up in New York where you in turn gave up players like Denilo Gallalinari, Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Timothy Mosgov, both Timothy Mosgov and and some first round Timothy Moskov for one player. So you gutted the roster for one player. Whose fault is that? This is circular. It goes hand in hand. Sure fault too though. Melo pushed the hand. He pushed the hand. But also we’re going to get away from that. I just want to talk about um he pointed out about uh Melo elevating his teammates all that yada yada having other players. There was a man by the name of Jeremy Lynn. Okay, let’s Can we extend this? I please let’s go in overtime. Why Why didn’t Jeremy Lynn become Lynn’s sanity in the 2012 playoffs? Okay, fair. No, no, no, no. Let me know. He tore his meniscus. You did not know that. Okay, you did not know that. Jeremy Lynn played healthy NBA seasons in Houston, in Los Angeles. There was no record of him coming and he was 15 and seven which is what he was when Melo came back. If any star player came back he put up 38 against Kobe when Amari and um Melo were out. They both come back obviously his production is going to go down. Now it was like eight games, nine games of Lindsani. I don’t want to mess on Lani. It was incredible. But to think that he was going to sustain some sort of level of production perhaps Melo was selfish that he went on the record and said he did not want him there. Who who said that? Carmelo Anthony. Where’s the quote? He He said go to articles. He said that. He said that it’s either him or me. That’s what drove Jeremy out. That’s what drove Jeremy out of New York. What are we talking about? No, that’s that’s not on the record. I promise that is not I cuz I did a lot of research for this debate. That was not on the record. What is on the record is Kobe Bryant. If if anyone messed up Jeremy Lynn, it was Kobe Bryant. Sure, I could agree with that, too. But but at the same time, it’s it was clear that Carmemell Anthony and Jeremy Lynn did not mesh well. Let’s not. They played that over 10 games together. Then why didn’t he stay? Why didn’t he stay? Because the Knicks sign him off. No, no, no. They did not ship him off. They did not ship him off. Rockets out bid them. And on the third year, they gave him like 15 million, which at the time was a lot of money. And if the Knicks were to match that contract, they would have been 30 million in luxury tax. They were not keeping him. And who are you going to give the ball to, Jeremy Lynn or 2012 prime Carmelo Anthony? When they’re both on the court, who are you going to run your offense? Would the team have been better with Jeremy Lynn still on the squad? I would agree. I agree as well, but the Knicks couldn’t sign him. That’s not Melo’s fault. You You tell me you couldn’t move a couple players to end up signing. If they wanted to be 30 mil in the laundry tax, I could just talk about the front office sucks. Again, I don’t know. I just feel like Jeremy Lynn was a winning player and he gave a spark of hope to the New York Knicks that they desperately needed. Shout out Jeremy Lynn. From the greatness that he did with Linanity, what happened is he ended up in Houston. It felt like Carmel was playing. What it felt like what it felt like. My next claim is Julius Randall was super underrated as a New York Knick 2021. Let’s go. You know that I know 2021 playoff series. You know that I know that playoff series. How good was that offense? How good was the offense or how good was Derrick Rose coming off the bench for that team and still being the leading scorer somehow in those in that five game series. He was incredible. So when I look at that series, the one thing that I distinctively remember was looking at my TV and saying, “Why is Julius Randle so ass right now?” And that’s and that’s what I want to defend just to make it clear like to where to see where Julius Randle is and like where I view him or where other people view him. I think he’s underrated because of that statement right there. He’s ass. Yes. So because of that statement, I think he’s underrated. Now tell me in the 2021 playoffs what made him underrated because that was hot garbage. Yeah. So I think it comes down to context based off the four from 2020 to 2024 is his Nick Knicks tenure. Um 2021 was just abysmal in the playoffs. Um, Julius Randall has become someone from his LA days did not take jump shots. Um, and transformed into a jump shooter in his Knicks tenure 2021 he was like becoming this mid-range isolation heavy disgusting Tom Tibido offense with that amazing Tom Tibido defense. That’s why they were in the playoffs. So, I think Julius Randle led offense in that aspect. Okay. I think against any playoff defense it was going to collapse. Okay. And I think if if you think that people were calling him MVP, like obviously then he’s overrated. But Julius Randle I don’t think was ever going to be this like perhaps he had an AllNBA season, but I think if you gave fans a ballot for like where does Julius Randle rank in the NBA, like he’s not top 30 to most people. But what I’m saying is that in 2021, the reason for such a drop off is partly because he just played very poorly. It was a disgusting shot diet to try to replicate in the playoffs. I agree. And considering his spacing at the time, they would have lineups with Alfred Payton. I remember second year R.J. Maryland’s Noel. I love these guys, but they’re I love Maryland Noel. Underrated deep boy candid. But again, defensively, uh, stout. Yep. Offensively, booty cheeks. There was, aside from Derrick Rose, there were no self-creators. I love Alec Burks. He’s one of my favorite. I also liked Alec Burks. Those those experiments with with uh, you know, they signed Kemba and Evan Fornier. Now, here’s here’s and that was supposed to be their help for Julius Randle. Here’s my thing. We saw in Minnesota the type of playoff performer he can be. Perhaps people think that’s an outlier. I think it’s closer to who he is than those performances with the Knicks. So, I think what you’re saying is essentially that for that year because Julius Randle was running that Knicks offense because he was the number one option and everything was flowing through. The offense just was not that good. He became overrated in that time because everybody was looking at him not as a number one option, but he was playing like he was supposed to be. Tom Thibido seemed to not give a damn. And in that series alone, there was a lot of issues. Julius wasn’t the only one. Before the 2021 playoffs, Julius Randle perhaps was overrated. The rest of his Knicks tenure, severely underrated because after that playoffs, it was no going back. This guy is terrible. You just said it before. What do you think about him? And I think that is disingenuous to the player that Julius Randle is and has become throughout his tenure. He currently is either underrated or that performance for Minnesota was an outlier. But next season, he was frying him. He was frying him. Next season’s going to tell, but for me, what I hear is that Julius Randle is not a number one option. You don’t think that? No. Do you think of him as number two? I think he’s a strong number two. Maybe not on a championship, but I think he’s a strong They could definitely make a finals run with Julius at the two if they got enough depth. Oh, yeah. In today’s NBA, yeah, he’s number two. He’s still overrated, but All right. So, you think Randall was over or was underrated as a Nick? Yeah. That’s the part I don’t get because I think Randall I think Randall might be underrated now. And I think to your point, I think some of the things that he did well in New York kind of got overlooked because of how bad the playoffs were. I think he was always a highle mismatch attacker. He was an underrated jump shooter. But I think good playmaker for a four as well. That’s where I disagree. Really? In his time in New York, I mean, he had some black hole tendencies, man. Yeah. He was like 2021 was six assists a game. He was like, but that was to be fair that was a lot of perimeter responsibility. I think it was very different from Nicks to now because before they got Brunson, it was very much like you’re starting him at like a wing. He’s had a step back three or like he could like initiate a pick and roll and just throw some stupid stuff into the stands, which I don’t think that’s how he’s optimized. And I think when they got Brunson, obviously it did not work in 2023 playoffs. We could talk about if you want, but it’s being come to fruition now with Minnesota. This is where he’s this is Julius Brown. And I think he was with this past year with the Wolves. he was doing that in 2024. If he had not had the shoulder, I think he was on pace to do that. Maybe I I think you hit the nail on the head, though. He’s just not a number one. Like, now that he’s a number two, but no one says he’s number one. People just say he’s he’s booty. But that’s why I don’t get he was a number one in New York. So, how is he underrated? I don’t because people like I’m going to give you I’m going to lay a stat on people just say he wouldn’t be a winning player anywhere. Okay, because that’s what I feel like is like you put Julius on any team, that team sucks as opposed to saying he’s not a number one. That I agree with. I completely sympathize. People think that there’s no there’s no uh situation where you could put Randle, he’d be good. I disagree. I mean, the that Knicks team, that offense was putrid. Like, it is nobody’s moving. They’re all standing. Julius is pounding the ball into the into the court at the mid-range and just had to take a, you know, a contested midi. I get that. My thing is when Randall left New York, this is with multiple playoff runs. For one, the year that he got injured, Jaylen Brunson took that team further in the playoffs than Randall ever did as the best player. But I also they also they got OG and I think I RJ Barrett has kind of been my nemesis. I really and I shout out RJ Barrett man but like I always thought he just was not a good shooter, not a good defender. He was not providing value that you should have been providing which I think OG like I mean I made a YouTube video on it. Like he is the most complimentary player to Julius you can get is that big body defender uh shooter can cut. Like R.J. was just not doing the job. and they had guys like Quinton Grimes and like some other even I love Emanuel Quickley he was not a good playoff performer like a guy a lot of guys that just not mesh where now the Knicks I think are moving forward because and people say oh it’s because of the one to1 swat with cat it’s like oh they just picked up male and they deuce got better and like there’s just more this is a more refined Knicks team with or without Randall agreed but we can’t just absolve him of all of his shortcomings when he was on the Knicks I’m going to lay a stat on you real quick okay through those two playoff runs he was the least efficient 15 point per game score in playoff history. And that’s where I feel like people and I think people look at that and they say look at this and I don’t think it’s that bad cuz I although they’re there I gave you the context with the 2021 and with 2023 he was on a gimpy ankle they got surgically repaired after the season was over and we saw in 2025 he was like above league average true shooting for the playoffs. He’s better in a different a different context. Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t. And I just numbers do lie without context. I’ll say that. My next claim is the New York Knicks will be the Eastern Conference Finals Champions. Orlando is beating you guys. Okay. Cleveland. Yo, cool out. Cool out. Cool out. Cool out. Yes, I said Orlando. Cleveland is beating you guys. And yo, no lie. The implosion could happen against the Celtics. So, why why do you think Orlando would beat the Knicks? First of all, Desmond Bane, great pickup. Absolutely. Paulo Ben Carroll is better. He’s better than Jaylen Brunson. I’m taking him over Jaylen Brunson, by the way. I disagree, but I mean, he can he can become a better player, but No, no, no. He’s better than him. Um, after that, we’re going to go France Wagner. Dog, Jonathan Isaac, injured, but I love him. Shout out Jonathan Isaac. Jaylen Suggs. I’m naming guys. I’m naming like I’m naming like You’re also You’re also naming aside from Desmond Bane, a lot of guys that struggle to shoot. Ah, that’s why they got Desmond Bane to help though. Yeah, but I’m saying one one volume shooter doesn’t absolve the lineups where you have Suggs, Fran, Bono, and Carter on the same floor. How about Muel Bridges um struggles like shooting and defending and Cat pick and roll, like defending, Jaylen Brunson picking and roll, defending. What did you guys What did you guys do to get better from last year to this year? I mean, I think the major things starting off with the depth. I think the depth just personnel wise before getting into anything else. I think Gershon was a really good pickup. I think Jordan Clarkson has the potential to be a really good pickup. Malcolm Brogden can be a steady hand. I mean, we had campaign last year, just putting into perspective. Um, but I think those guys plus the uh another year with Duce McBride and I think male bridges. He’s not good. And you what? Duce Deuce McBride is not good. Deuce slander. He’s not good. What? He’s not He’s not good. I’m just when I when I watch Deuce McBride play, I see him do nothing. I’m I’m curious to see what what can you not like about Duce McBride? No. No. All right. Like, no, no. I want you to explain that. All right. It’s a deep history. I bet it on him. I for 10 points. Okay. He didn’t hit his parlay with you. He didn’t hit my parlay. He didn’t hit my parlay. So, ever since then, I’m like, nah, I’m dead cool off him. You feel me? But nah, continue. Continue continue. I think the depth is significantly improved. I think male had a down year last year. Um, I think I mean, I don’t think that’s a hot take um compared to what he’s done defensively specifically. And also just from the field, like I think it was very clunky with the lineups. Um, and Cat has another year on his belt with the Knicks. Um, all that being said, aside from roster, I think Tom Tibido to Mike Brown is perhaps the craziest the biggest coaching chains you could have from an offensive perspective. Tom Tibido runs just like some caveman offense. And like I don’t think I don’t think your problem is offense though. I think defense though. No, but it’s not. And and I will say like the Knicks do have the reason why I’m comfortable saying they’ll win the East is because I was impressed with a lot of their scheming last year. Um now some of it for offense playoff defense. They can roll out lineups like I don’t know if this roster will be a by the end of year. They’ll trade for another guy. I don’t know Josh Hart status, but Deuce McBride is a point of attack defender. I don’t even if you don’t like him, he’s a great point of attack defender. Um very scrappy with male OG. you have the potential to have Mitch and like there’s just avenues for the Knicks to be good enough on defense where I think their offense has the chance to be historic to be and historically definitely better than Orlando offensively. Offensively, yes. Offensively, yes, maybe not defensively and probably not defensively. Definitely not. I think Paulo Ben Carroll could generate better shots for his team than Jaylen Brunson can. If Paulo makes that leap, we can have a conversation, but I think it’s a lot to I mean, we’ll see. He will. And defensively, no. I think you guys are the same defensively. I don’t think you guys did any type of changes to change defensively from last year to this year. I I agree. I agree. But I I do think the playoff defense last year was a little different than the regular season defense, which is why Respect Man Orlando Deuce is crazy. Straight up, brother. I don’t agree with that take whatsoever. Understood. I would like to say the Magic, I think, are very slept on this year. I think they have a phenomenal defense. I agree. As a playoff team, one of the top defenses last year. Yep. offense. They brought Tai Jones in. Desmond Bane, I forgot about that. They did. And not to say that they’re outright gonna beat you guys because that may not be the case, but they’re a team that slept on. Cavs had a historic year last year. I don’t think they could be slept on. Um, but I think the Knicks last year in the playoffs showed that Brunson and Cat on the floor together. Really can’t play defense all that well. Yes. So, yes, if you have Cat in at the five, you may have Yabuselli in, but he’s going to get attacked. He’s going to get headunted. Mhm. But if you get if you put Kad in at the four and Mitchell Robinson at the five, you hack a Mitch and what do you do then? So, you know, I think I think the idea of hacking Mitch is bad. I don’t think it’s come to fruition as much as you’d expect. Okay. Um I do think Mitch like I mean he was we don’t have to talk about him on defense like how switchable he was. Like although Jason Tatum was just taking some stupid step back shots, but like he was he was keeping Jason Tatum in a box on some possessions. And that’s why cuz I understand Brunson and Cat on the floor regular season they’re going to get wins. It’s when it comes to the playoffs against those elite teams, can they do it? And I’m I’m more confident in those double big lineups, especially against Cleveland because those that’s what they probably have to roll out anyway. And also considering Mitch’s track history with Cleveland 2023 playoffs, J uh Jared Allen came out and said the lights were brighter than expected. I I agree. That quote was awful. That quote was awful. Yeah. I think Jared Allen as as good of a players, I really like Jared Allen. I do think he’s someone who kind of struggles in the playoffs a little bit. I don’t think he’s the same as like this historic uh Cavs team. And I do think I mean Garland has some of those tendencies as well to shrink a little. He had some injuries, but even in big games like I don’t know if y’all saw that Boston game last year. He shot for like three for 21. Like let me say this. I think I just think we hear the same thing from the Knicks fan base that you guys are going to go this far. You guys are going to win the championship. And we really haven’t seen that as of recently outside of last year. And you guys were saying that you guys are going to be the Pacers and that just didn’t happen either. So I think that y’all are cursed. It’s a New York curse. I’m not sure. We saw it with the Yankees. I’m a Yankees fan. I’m a Yankees fan. I love the Yankees, but we saw with the Yankees. I just think it’s a New York curse where you guys don’t just don’t do anything. And I’m not sure if you know you guys have a coaching adjustment. I have Clarkson in Yabusellian, but you know, I don’t even think I think outside of the Magic the Cavs. I I don’t think you guys could sleep on a team like the Pacers, a team a team that’s even without Tyrese potential. Even without Hallebertton, I’m a love I love Hallebertton, big Hallebertton fan, but I think I fundamentally disagree with that. Um but with the you know the luck and just the Knicks are the Knicks. Like obviously injuries can happen. I know Mitch has been someone who’s been hurt. He’s also played the last three playoffs. The only time he did not play in the playoffs was when y’all saw the clip Joel Embiid pulled him down by his ankle. He did not do that today. Yanked him by the ankle. That was the only time. So, like even though he plays a few games a year, like the Knicks have been decent at keeping him for the playoffs. And even if Mitch came out, I think they have the assets to make a trade for another protecting big, but I don’t think that’s a reason that the history I mean maybe with the Clippers. My thing is I know I don’t think that’s a good enough reason. The Celtics aren’t fully healthy. Pacers aren’t fully healthy. It sounds good early on, but I think the team that you have right now, if no trades are made, I don’t think you guys are going to be in this conference final. So, that’s my final take. Bro, are you going to say the Sixers? No, I will say um as much as I want to, my team is battling injuries and the process isn’t processing. So, I’ll digress. Shout out VJ Edgecom though. Yeah, right. And you know, I will give you some credit. You made some good points. The depth was a huge problem last year and they really did improve on that with the and Tibs ability to use the depth. I think that’ll be a lot different. So, this is where I’m going with this. I don’t think the biggest problem with the Knicks is per se the players right now. I think it’s the management and I think it’s been that way since they won their last finals. The Knicks have the tendency to do this thing where they go on runs, they have great players, they have good coaches, and then they just choke. They let everyone down. And it all starts at the top. It really does. Listen, you can make the arguments about Brunson playing his ass off. Same with Cat everything. But when you fire a coach who’s brought you the most success that has been to this organization in 20 years, I’m a big believer in that an empire is not built overnight. And I know it was it necessarily wasn’t a short time for Tibido, but he came in and turned a disappointed New York franchise into an Eastern Conference final appearing team. I don’t agree with his firing. I want to cut you there because I also can see the vision with like keeping Tibs. I will say he was brought in to be a defensive coach, started off as a great defensive coach. The Knicks are not looking like a TomToid team right now. So that’s where I can see where like he’s running these really weak isoheavy offenses with a lot of offensive talent. Okay, let’s bring in Mike Brown. I see the vision with that. Now, I when the Knicks were like looking around and asking different already hired head coaches, I thought that was a really bad look, but I I like Mike Brown. But when it comes to them winning the East, I don’t think with this current point of the Knicks, it has anything to do with management because the roster is good enough. But here’s my other point. And Leon Rose has been really solid. Here’s number two. I don’t think they’re winning the East because there is one team that stands in your way and it’s the damn Cavaliers. Okay. All right. Listen, shout out Donovan Mitchell. Love Louisville. But here’s what I’m going to say here. That team between Garland, Mobly and D Mitch and the other support cast they have with solid coaching. I think they take the Knicks out. Okay. I don’t think I think it’ll be a very good series. The reason why I am comfortable saying the Knicks will win. Um I think the loss and I don’t want to say that Ty Jerome is the Cavs but he was very much a solid offensive piece the whole year off the bench and they they lost him not in the playoffs but that they also they also got outplayed like even though they were hurt they got outplayed by Indiana. So to say that they were this juggernaut like oh the Pacers were this underrated team like the Pacers just ran them out the building as as well as they did the Knicks. And the I’m saying the Cavs did win all those games. They lost Tai Jerome, but they bring in this, you know, and I love Lonzo Ball, but it would be a miracle for him to make it to the playoffs. He’s played like what 35 games. And I’m just unfortunately like being realistic. Like I have one more point here and one more point only. And someone said it earlier, but I’m going to harp on it again because it is the truth. You guys are one major injury. You are one Jaylen Brunson injury as is away from completely imploding. And Mike Brown looks like a horrible hire. I’m just saying the way this management is, he’ll be out sooner before he could do anything. All right. Takes though. What are you going to say? The Hawks. Dude, I’ve been Dude, I was itching back there. Oh my god. Get Oh my god. Get it off. Let’s do it right now. NBA gods, if you are hearing me, please give me Knicks versus the Hawks in a playoff series again. Oh my god. Give me that. Why give me that? Because you want to mention Orlando, which Orlando’s good. Cool. Cavs, you beat the Cavs. It’s happened already. The The Hawks got so much better in the offseason. And who who did the Knicks? What What is the Knicks roster changes from the last time they played the Hawks? Let me get to you. No, no, don’t worry. I’ll get to that. Let me talk about the Hawks first. Let’s talk about the Hawks first. Let me go ahead and take the Minnesota Timber’s best shooter and Akquil Alexander Walker. Let me add that I would agree. So you say Dant, I love Michaela Alexander Walker. Um, great addition, but to like phrase him as this just he’s a very solid pickup. A very solid pickup. I agree. And for that contract, hell yeah, take him. But he’s not our only shooter. Let me go and pick up Luke Canard from the Grizzlies for the Lowki. We’ll take that, too. Are we done with shooters? No. Let me go ahead and get Christos Porzingis to be my new center. Like, come on, man. And let me get rid of Clink Capella’s weak ass. We don’t need him anymore. So, we got a healthy Jaylen Johnson. Jaylen Johnson healthy. I also think looking back at Orlando, like there are some shooting concerns with Dyson and Jaylen Johnson. Um, Porzingis health. I mean, he was out the whole playoffs last year. Um, so I think in terms of I mean with Jaylen Johnson last year, the Hawks with a good Dyson Daniels like they were still a 500 team before Jaylen Johnson tore his labum or whatever it was. So now they’re coming back, they have more help. I think they’re a playoff team. I just don’t think they’re a threat to the Knicks. And I don’t want to just say it as a Knicks fan like, oh, Trey sucks. Like he is an incredible player, but I think his playoff scoring is a little overstated. In a close game, Trey’s going to get it done. But Jaylen Brunson also gets it done. And I would say through the course of a game like Trey Young, I really just heavily dislike his shot selection. Um Trey Young, if we talk about the best shooters in the league, everyone’s like, “Oh well, Trey Young’s up there because he’s and people used to say, you know, the next Steph Curry and he shoots like 35% from three because of his horrible shot selection.” And I don’t think that’s something that just dissipates. Um so considering the roster, I mean, I don’t think you’re battling that the Knicks are not a more talented team because I think they are top to bottom. I think it’s more so like the Hawks are their kryptonite. Whereas the last time the Knicks I mean in a playoff series obviously Trey uh last year with the dice thing or whatever in the 2021 we we went over how bad that Knicks offense was. Of course the Knicks have changed a ton but so have the Hawks. Um but the main thing I want to say I have two things, two last things. The Knicks did not do anything significant in the offseason aside from the coaching which I agree with. Get them out of there. I’m cool with that. But you added Jordan Clarkson and Gershan Yabus. They were just in the Eastern Conference Finals. How much? Jordan Clarkson. And I hope this is how I know you. They were just in the Eastern Conference finals. Jordan Clarkson is a basketball terrorist. He’s not adding anything to your team. I’m not gassing up Jordan Clarkson. They were just in your conference finals. What else do they have to add? The Hawks are the guys I have to add. These are nonfactor players that you’re adding to your roster. But not even that. No. Gershon is a Gershon’s a nice pickup. Jordan Clarkson. Hit or miss. I like Gershon. Very hit or miss. But if the Hawks uh match up with the Knicks, I am scared. I’m frightened for Brunson because he is about to be face to face with the Great Barrier thief. Bro, you want to get horny to some NBA highlights? Watch some Dyson Daniels highlight. Man, that boy is clamps. I dare Jaylen Brunson to try to score on Dyson Daniels. Jaylen Brunson is just I mean I understand like there’s moments like Indiana, he had some struggles like he’s really good against elite defenders. This is the DPI we’re talking about. No, it’s not. He won the DPI Jay. He’s not the defensive player of the year was Dyson Daniel. He’s not the best defender in the league. He might be one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. He’s not a better defender than Webyama. No way. Webama’s barely health, but he technically has the award. Yes. Yes. And paired with Trey Young, that is a great back court. I’m I think if you give me Hawks versus Knicks, I’m going to look at the odds real quick, but I’m going to go ahead and put my money on the Atlanta Hawks. That’s just me, though. Prepare to lose some money. That is a bet. My next claim is the New York Knicks will be the 2526 NBA champions. Come one, come all. We got a lot of people standing here. There’s a lot of people. So, I’m going to keep it short so everyone get to say the West. That’s all I’m going to say. They don’t beat the top talent in the West. They don’t beat the Thunder. I don’t think they beat the Nuggets. I don’t think that they beat anyone in the West. And that’s all I have to say. All right, that’s it. That’s it. I’ll debate someone else about that. Yeah, that’s it. I would like to know why before everyone comes up and and starts cooking. I want to know why. Yeah, I mean, so it’s all about like matchup. Like we’re talking about what team they would be. I could I could talk about how the Knicks improved and how the East is weaker, so they have an easier regular season, easier playoffs, not much of a gauntlet through the season, but ultimately it comes down to who they’re playing. And if I’m making a prediction that the Knicks are going to win the finals, I should probably have prediction of who they’re going to face. And I believe it’s the Denver Nuggets. I don’t think the Knicks would be favored over the Thunder. I think the Thunder will lose to the Denver Nuggets when then ultimately the Knicks can beat the Denver Nuggets in the finals. That’s nuts. Um I also think Why is that? I also think the Nuggets would come out I don’t think the Thunder repeat again. I think the Nuggets come out of the West. But I think if you stack up a majority of the teams in the West, they’re putting a spanking on y’all easy. So can you name those teams? Just cuz you can’t just be up here just saying stuff. We’ll get to the Nugget I got it. I got it. Thunder. I think the Rockets because who’s guarding KD and then you throw Yeah, that that old ass man. Yeah. Um Lakers. Lakers. You got got the Timberwolves. You can’t sleep on the Timber Wolves. They’re gritty. They’ll get to it. I think if Randle comes back to New York, he putting that I love Julius Randle, but he’s not beating the Knicks. I think the Nuggets there is no one that could guard that could guard Joic obviously but I think what we saw I don’t think anyone in the league can guard Joic obviously I think what we saw from Aaron Gordon last year also showed a lot they also improved a lot dropping MPJ and bringing Cam Johnson in Brucey B back on the bench is also a big pickup so I think if they match up there’s really nothing that y’all could do I think that in a closeout game against the Pacers last year we saw Jaylen Brunson drop 19 on 18 shots and have you know he wasn’t He was in hell with them when Nemhard guard him. So I think that there’s a lot that the Nuggets could throw to the Knicks to kind of shut y’all down. Then y’all have to shut them down. Yeah. So the reason I’m comfortable saying the Knicks can beat the Nuggets. Um not that everything is about regular season record because it’s not. Um the Knicks and Nuggets play twice a year since the Jaylen Brunson era with Joic playing those games. The Knicks are five- one. OG anobi fries the Nuggets. I don’t know if this is like so Knicks niche that you got to watch the games to understand, but like OG averages like 27 against the Denver Nuggets and the the Knicks different in the playoffs, brother. It’s different. It is considering like we’re talking about weak points defensively, right? Denver Nuggets elite offense. I think the Knicks I’m predicating this finals run on all time offense with all the talent they have. I’m expecting Bridges to be great. I’m expecting Cat to be shooting more threes now. I’m expecting all this from a Mike Brown offense. It comes from they’re big and they’re small. Can’t really guard. Jokic better defender than Cat, of course. But if we’re getting to a playoff series, I think the Knicks can exploit those type of um weaknesses better than the Nuggets can exploit the Knicks weaknesses. And I think that was shown by the times they’ve matched up. The Knicks have like a 17 plus point differential the times they play the Nuggets. They blow them out, but not they’re not going to blow them out in the finals. But I think this is different, man. It’s not the same. Unless someone else cook that ass. I don’t have any stats or matchups. That’s all right. I just uh I just like your vibe, man. The the I love the OKC vibe. The Knicks won’t win the championship simply because I won’t allow it if they got to go through you. If I have to walk from the Wells Fargo in Philly to to Madison Square Garden, jump on a roof and cause a scene and y’all kick me out like how Dolan got rid of uh Oakley. I will not allow the Knicks to win a championship before the Sixers. I can’t have it on my conscience. I can’t stand y’all fan base. We won’t allow it. I’m not going to lie. I’m a little shook right now. If I got to go grab Brunson, his daddy, Mike Brown, John Starks, Bernard King, whoever y’all got to give him that that nasty pizza, Chris Rock, Tracy, Spike Lee, all of them. I won’t allow it. You got to be that Uber Eats. Give him that food poison. And you know who else won’t allow it? I believe that the Hawks I believe that the Stay True to yourself. What am I talking about right now? I don’t believe that they will lie because the Knicks in the playoffs that matchup when when you got to put Cat out there with Brunson that’s difficult to overcome in a series. But good luck to y’all. You’re going to need it. Appreciate it, brother. Okay, I’mma just make this quick like my brother over here did. Knicks starting point guard Bronson. Jaylen Brunson. Okay, I’ll give him I’ll give him over Jamal Murray. Who’s the Knicks two guard? It depends on the night. Well, it doesn’t it doesn’t depend on the nuggets night. I’m going to say it’s Christian Brown. I’m saying depending on the match up. You start Deuce, you you throw hard in the starting line, you start Mitch. So, let’s say male. Let’s say male. Okay. I’m tell it doesn’t matter the night. Christian Brown is Christian Brown. If you ain’t seen him play, check him out. I love Christian Brown. NBA championship, high school champion, college champion. Who’s a three guard for the Knicks? the OG. OG. Okay. OG or Cam Johnson? Which one we doing? I OG. Like pretty. We doing Cam Johnson, man. That’s all I’m gonna say about that. Who’s a four for the Knicks? Um I Let’s say Cat. We’ll say Cat. Cat. Aaron Gordon. I think Aaron Gordon matches better up against Cat in if they’re playing four against four. Now, if Cass’s a five, I’ll give him that. I’m assuming we’d have I don’t know. And Mitchell Robinson. We ain’t even talking about that. All right. Why not? Mitch is great in the playoffs against Jokic though. I’m matching them up. I’m matching them up. I’m matching them up. We matching up. That’s not how basketball works. I know that’s not how it works, but that’s the base form of it. I’m saying if we’re talking about the base formula, I’ll go against myself right now. If you line up Indiana with New York, I think New York has the better five. Indiana won because they’re a better team. Okay. Mhm. But that but point is but there’s X factors though. There are And you know, like Mike Brown. Mike Brown. Yeah. Is he an NBA champ? Is he an NBA champion? People Is he an NBA champion? Yeah. Is he? He was on the Warriors with Leonard as a head coach. As a head coach? I guess not. No. Okay. Well, I think pedigree goes a long way. Is David Adelman a champion as a coach? Point blank, right? I know. I was I forgot my coach got fired for a second, coach. I was like, “Oh, he got fired.” Um, I like David Adam though. We ain’t going to talk about He’s not even that confident. I’m not confident in Adam mode. I’m confident in the players in the team. Okay. I like that you picked the Nuggets to play them. I just don’t see the Knicks being any of the teams. Not the Warriors, not the Nuggets, not the Wolves, not the Rockets. I think the Knicks win in seven against Denver. Uh, we ain’t taking it seven. If it’s seven, you know, Denver has a good record in game seven. So, if it goes to seven, you already know what time it is, but it’s going six. Um, you know, Nuggets, they coming back. They finally in full form. We got the cancerous MPJ up out the building. Dang. You know, and uh his injury, you don’t got to call him cancer. He was, he was, I watched all their games. He he he was terrible in the playoffs. God awful. You know what he needs to do to play an NBA? He’s got so many back issues. He’s doing what he can. Yeah, he had that in college at Missou, too. He played the first game of the season and the last game of the season. I know cuz I went I went to Missou as well. I know I know all about MPJ. He’s from Missouri. I’m from Missouri. I know the guy personally, too. Speaking of MTJ, you got to get it together, brother. You was cancerous for the Nuggets this past season. He’s a champion. But Nuggets, we went in six, man. Uh we not taking it to seven. It’s going to be home court for Denver. Eh, y’all might have a better record cuz in the East I think the Knicks have the better record that ended in the Garden. That’s what I think. You know, the MSG has its own pressure around it. That’s why you don’t even you can’t trust the Knicks even at home. That’s why I think it’s different like there were teams in the past um even like surrounding the Melo era like it’s people coming to MSG and they just fry everyone. I’ll give you that. But I mean the Nuggets that’s why I brought up the record before. It’s not that they that don’t the regular season. It doesn’t. But I just wanted to bring it up because I think it’s a valid talking point. But if anyone’s going to handle the pressure I think obviously Jokic can, but also Jaylen Brunson absolutely can. We’ll see if he can or not. He kind of flamed out the last time he had he flame out to the Knicks flame out. He was a big part of their flame out. I’m saying he has such a burden though because of the Tibs offense. That’s why I think they’re Jokic has that burden too and he’s never flamed out because he’s the best player in the world. Exactly. That’s But there you go. That’s why they going to win. That’s why they win. Knicks are better than the Nuggets. The Knicks making it out of the East. I can’t see it. Okay. And the reason that I can’t see it is because Donovan Mitchell is hungry. And I don’t think that What do you mean how do I know Donovan Mitchell? I watched him and Jamal Murray both drop 50 points in a bubble game. Jaylen Brunson’s hungry. How Jaylen Brunson could be hungry all he wants. Donovan Mitchell was on the one seed in the Eastern Conference. Let me just let me just let me just say this. Who Who would be more hungry in this situation? Big Body Brunson or Donovan Mitchell who told us after they got bounced out of the playoffs, I’m going to let y’all had a whole summer. Y’all can clown us. Y’all can do whatever. But we know what we need to do. That was a 60- win team that had multiple multiple win streaks in the same season. All collapsed at the end of the day. If you really think about it, it was more It wasn’t on Donovan Mitchell shoulders. It never is. It wasn’t in Utah and it wasn’t in Cleveland. Darius Garland’s injuries played a part. Jared Allen Donovan Mitchell played against the Knicks that slam though in the playoffs the last time. Yeah. 23. 23. He wasn’t that great. I’m saying Donovan Mitchell’s Donovan Mitchell. Yeah. But I do think he’s very containable. I don’t Okay, so here’s my thing with that. I watched Jaylen Bro. Also, just saying they’re going to win based off a postgame presser is nasty. Okay. Steph Curry. What is Steph? What? Let me Let me say this as my last point. As a Steph Curry fan who watched this [ __ ] happen 12 months later. Steph Curry when he got bounced out of the 2021 playin by the Memphis Grizzlies looked everybody looked everybody in the camera and said we’ll be back next year. And what happened to next year? Steph Curry was holding up that damn Larry O’Brien. So, if I got a guy who is hungry and we know is a playoff warrior, and I’m talking about Donovan Mitchell, because we know Donovan Mitchell in Utah was the was never the reason that they lost was always the reason they were in. The reason that they beat that OKC team that was so heavily favored by a rookie Donovan Mitchell winning curb stomped them. But all I’m saying is is that if the Wizards say they want to make the playoffs, you’re gonna say, they’re hungry. They’re hungry. Is anybody on the Wizards Donovan Mitchell? Is Donovan Mitchell Stephan Wardell Curry? Is Donovan Mitchell Is Donovan Mitchell a playoff performer or is he not? He’s a great playoff performer. So why are we questioning his hunger in the playoffs? Especially considering that we both know the Eastern Conference is weak. We both know the Knicks have a new head coach that they don’t even know what the hell he going to do with him. Saying his hunger is saying Kenny Atinson is that [ __ ] right? Like like so will I would I have any doubt in Kenny Atinson or would I have more doubt in Mike Brown picking up a team that he don’t know what the hell to do with? Who says that he doesn’t know what to do with it? Why did he take Mike Brown’s coming over to a team that just fired their head coach and tried to hire three more that were already employed. So with that being the case and the Eastern Conference being wide open, the Eastern Conference being wide open, we don’t know how healthy the Philadelphia 76ers are going to be. We don’t know how healthy the Cavs are going to be and we don’t know if they’re going to win 60 games or not. 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0:23 – Jalen Brunson is a Top 3 point guard in the NBA
9:40 – Jalen Brunson is a better scorer than Allen Iverson
17:06 – Karl Anthony Towns is the best 3 point shooting big man in NBA history
23:30 – Carmelo Anthony was not the problem for the Knicks in the 2010s
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