YIKES: New Orleans Saints’ Justin Tucker Pursuit A TONE DEAF Risk Not Worth Taking

YIKES: New Orleans Saints’ Justin Tucker Pursuit A TONE DEAF Risk Not Worth Taking

The New Orleans Saints have gone from being their own worst enemy on the field to making a bed they won’t want to sleep in off the field. You are Locked on Saints, your daily New Orleans Saints podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network. Your team every day. What is good Hudad Asian and Hudat family? I am your host, your friend Ross Jackson, New Orleans native, your New Orleans Saints expert and credentialed member of the media covering those New Orleans Saints as a Saints beat writer over at louisianaapasports.net. And on today’s episode of Locked on Saints, the New Orleans Saints red zone and special teams metrics are hitting historic worst. The Tyler Shook home debut is one for the history books as he does something we weren’t sure he was going to do at the NFL level. And we’re going to kick everything off with the New Orleans Saints must avoid kicker Justin Tucker. We got all that and a little bit of land yab for you on today’s episode. We appreciate you very much whether it’s your first time or your next time being here with us this time, making us your first listen and being an everydayer here on the show, which is a proud part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, now the number one sports podcast network. Thank you so much for helping us get here as we bring you your team every day. Today’s episode brought to you by our friends over at FanDuel, where right now new customers can sign up and get $300 in bonus bets by just winning your first $5 bet. So, head over to fanduel.com today to get started. The New Orleans Saints potential pursuit of veteran kicker Justin Tucker is a risky and tonedeaf consideration by the organization. This is definitely a place where the New Orleans Saints should not be going. I know they’ve got kicker issues. I get it. But the idea of bringing in Justin Tucker along with former LSU Tiger, go Tigers. Uh Kade York for a try out today for kicker, which is a position that the Saints absolutely have a need and need to make a change at, feels like an irresponsible decision by the New Orleans Saints. We met with Kell Moore, New Orleans Saints head coach on Monday, and we got to ask him questions about the decision-making process around bringing in Justin Tucker, and he made reference to circumstances here and there that a guy like Justin Tucker has in terms of conversations around, you know, yes, there’s some things on field that obviously there is a product that you look at on the field, but you want to be sure that you understand everything about a person off the field and highlighted some of those circumstances here and there when it comes to Justin Tucker. So, allow me to define those circumstances here and there. Um, allegations of inappropriate sexual behavior alleged by 16 massage therapists for incidents that range from 2012 to 2016. Those are the circumstances here and there that the New Orleans Saints must be willing to forego, ignore, uh, pacify, rectify in some way if they have some information that others don’t in order to actually make a an educated decision on actually signing a Justin Tucker, assuming that his try out even goes well. Uh he was cut from the Ravens in May of 2025, suspended by the NFL for 10 games in connection to the allegations that we just uh highlighted. The Ravens cited play reasons, right, onfield reasons, production reasons for their release in a confusing and kind of uh curious statement that they made. The NFL, of course, cited their personal conduct uh policy, but make no mistake about it, his suspension was absolutely tied to the inappropriate sexual behavior allegations that faced him from 16 different massage therapists for incidents ranging from 2012 to 2016. Now, you might be asking yourself, okay, Ross, well, would you sign him? And because everybody knows that you want the opinion and everything like that, and I will tell you straight up that for me, the answer is no. The New Orleans Saints have consistently stood before you and spoken on draft nights about how much they care about the makeup of a player and whether or not they’re a good fit, whether or not they’re a good person, all of those other things. If the New Orleans Saints were staring at a draft prospect that they liked in college, they would simply move on from that player that had these same allegations because that player would not have the makeup, the fabric that they are looking for. Why this would be different is beyond me. So, for me, it’s super simple. And you might be thinking to yourself too, well, Ross, what about innocent until proven guilty? There are no civil uh lawsuits. There are no criminal lawsuits in this situation. There are 16 allegations which uh to um to be very clear, Justin Tucker has denied. However, he was suspended and did not appeal that suspension. But here’s the thing about innocent until proven guilty and the presumption of evidence. This ain’t court. This ain’t the law. This is a job. This is a billion multibillion dollar operation hiring an employee to represent them to be a to wear their insignia to represent them in front of millions and millions of people. So for me, if I, Ross, were making the decision about somebody that I wanted wearing the insignia of my organization and going out there and representing my organization, I would not slap that insignia on somebody with these outstanding allegations. And by the way, when I mean outstanding, I mean that they are still open and they are still um in the ethos. They have not been uh settled in any way or anything like that. Like I said, there’s not even cases, but there are the allegations. For me, that would be an easy decision to make as an employer. So, there you go. There’s the opinion. But here’s the thing. You might also say, Ross, well, take away the off-field stuff. He is the NFL’s fourth most accurate field goal kicker in NFL history. And while that is true, his 2024 season, he made only 73.3% of his field goal attempts. Now, that is better than Blake Groupy’s 69.2% so far this season. I will grant you that. But Cade York, former LSU Tiger, who is also being brought in for a try out, sits at 73.3% over the course of his career, including 81.8% in Cincinnati just a year ago in 2024. And by the way, the Saints also still have Charlie Smith as an option, who is on the practice squad and has been on the practice squad since he joined the team ahead of the 2024 NFL season. And honestly, you could just turn this over to Charlie Smith and say, “Okay, buddy. Here you go. You’ve been waiting. You’ve been working. You’ve been developing. You’ve been working hard behind the scenes. Been getting in your, you know, kicking opportunities all throughout the week, all those other things, your kicking sessions. Uh, it’s your time for the last six games. go out there, show us what you got. Could absolutely do that. I don’t mind though the idea of bringing in additional talent and getting a more expansive look at the position just in case. I don’t see anything wrong with that. For me, the part that doesn’t make sense for an organization that pursued Deshaawn Watson, for an organization that has been tied up in different um scandals and things like that to what doesn’t make sense to me is specifically the pursuit of Justin Tucker. And so after the workout, Kell Moore, Mickey Lumis, the pro personnel, if they decide that they want to sign him, they’ll do all the homework and get everything figured out. But even bringing him in for a try out has drawn so much eye from the fan base and from others. It just feels like something that a 2 and9 football team would probably want to assue, not draw that kind of attention to themselves. And by the way, Blake Groupy still not officially benched in the first place. But of course, probably won’t be the kicker in Miami as the New Orleans Saints go. Uh, we’ll see if it’s Kade York, if it’s Charlie Smith, or if things go a certain way. If it’s Justin Tucker, but for me, the New Orleans Saints should absolutely avoid that pursuit from here on out. Be done. Move on. Um, and continue to build your team with the makeup and the fabric that you’ve always look to build this team with, and then see what you can get done at that point here with six games left throughout the regular season. All right, coming up next, Tyler Shuck’s day revitalized a big conversation in terms of winning or losing because of a quarterback, but he also got in a little bit of history, doing something we weren’t sure he was going to be able to do at the pro level. 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He became the fourth quarterback for the New Orleans Saints since 2000 to complete more than 65% of his passes in a game where he attempted 40 or more passes. He attempted 43, completed about 69.8. 8% of his passing attempts and that put him into some elite company. He’s there with Drew Brees, Jeff Blake, and then also Derek Carr, but otherwise elite company cuz he’s there with Jere. But here’s the thing about that. There’s actually 62 such games in New Orleans history since 2000. Tyler Shock’s got one of them. Derek Carr has got one of them. Jeff Blake’s got one of them. And Drew Brees has 59 of those games. This is a Drew Brees appreciation tweet just real quick because that’s absolutely insane. Going out there and throwing at such a high level of volume 40 plus times and completing over 65% of those passes and for Tyler Shuck nearly 70% of those passes. Absolutely remarkable. Now, I will say that there are four games out of those games in which not only did that happen, attempt 40 passes and complete over 65% of those passes. By the way, Aaron Brooks has a game where he completed exactly 55. So, you can say he’s actually the fifth at 65 or above if you want to as well. But anyway, um getting to a situation there to where you have done all of that but then didn’t throw a touchdown. Not the first time that that’s happened. It’s actually happened four times out of all of these games that we just referenced. Three times by Drew Brees, one time by Tyler Shuck. All four of those games were losses, and actually two of those games were against the Atlanta Falcons. Big shout out to our friends over at True Media. I mean, how awesome is that information? Uh, so that was a way that Tyler Shuck joined history when it came to uh the rest of this game or that game up against the Atlanta Falcons. And I highlight that not because of the no touchdown part. I highlight that because of the high level of completion percentage, right? The high efficiency that was coupled with the high volume. Typically, the larger the volume, the lesser the efficiency sometimes. But in this case, Tyler completed a lot of those passes. And the reason why I highlight that is because if you go back to his collegiate days, a 63% completion percentage over the course of his career, 62.7% completion percentage with Louisville. And so accuracy or high completion percentages were not typically a part of the formula for Tyler Shuck. This is now two very very important categories or metrics I think is the word I’m looking for in which we have seen Tyler Shuck do something in the pros that we had questions about for him coming out of college. One of which was the efficiency, the other of which was facing pressure. And let me tell you, Tyler Stuck faced a lot of pressure up against the Atlanta Falcons. He truly did. Uh he was under pressure over 44% of the time that that the Atlanta Falcons sent four or fewer pass rushers. They blitzed at a season low percentage of just over 15%. in this game. Meaning Raheem Morris and the Atlanta Falcons did not feel like they needed to blitz to get pressure on Tyler Shuck. And they were right because the offensive line, particularly over on the right side of the offensive line, was putrid, awful in this game. Bad, bad, bad. We saw a lot of guys running back towards players while plays are getting made in the back field. In fact, actually interior offensive line play as a whole had a lot of question marks. Not just because of pressures given up, but a couple of high snaps as well. Interior offensive line and right tackle were tough all throughout this game. Uh Kelvin Banks Jr. highest graded player and pro football focus for this if you put stock into that, but overall had a really really solid game, especially as a run blocker uh throughout this one as well. And so for the Saints, what they needed to see was a little bit of a step up for Tyler Shuck managing pressure. You saw that two weeks ago up against the Carolina Panthers. And he did that very, very well. And even though he didn’t have the same completion numbers and production numbers, high production numbers against the Atlanta Falcons, he did take care of the football under pressure. Now, he did have two turnovers in this game. The fumble early on on the uh handoff or the play fake exchange. It wasn’t supposed to be a handoff with Alvin Chimera, but it was a play fake and then it ended up hitting Alvin Chimera’s elbow, Tyler Shuck said, and then that forced the fumble effectively. That ends up being credited against the quarterback. It’s more of a miscommunication between the quarterback and the running back, but the quarterback bears the onus of that and then the responsibility of that. And then the interception at the very very end of the game, right? So, you had the fumble at the very very beginning, then you had the interception at the very very end of the game. um that ended up being ones where it’s just like, okay, well, it’s the last play of the game, your last offensive offensive opportunity. Just put the ball up and then let somebody go out there and make a play. And unfortunately, it was the defense that made the play. Um Tyler Shuck was sacked five times in this game. Never on a blitz. Never on a single blitz. Four or fewer pass rushers each time that he was sacked. The offensive line struggled big time uh in this one. He completed uh seven of his 13 passing attempts while under pressure. Like I said, the metrics weren’t there, but he didn’t start, you know, throwing turnover worthy passes and throwing interceptions and things like that while under pressure or because of the pressure that he was feeling. So, he’s navigated pressure well and then now you’re seeing the efficiency, especially even though rather at high volume, end up working in his favor as well. So, I commend Tyler Shuck for his ability to be able to still show, hey, these are things that I’ve improved at getting into the pros. And so, if you’re looking for some shining something or another between Tyler Shuck and Kell Moore, that’s the one. Red Zone is definitely not one of those things. I’ll tell you why in a moment. And obviously, you know, they struggled on third down. They didn’t have a play that went on offense for more than 18 yards. Like, there were a lot of other issues for this New Orleans Saints offense. And so, now all of a sudden, it’s ignited the conversation yet again. Is Tyler Shuck, much like we talked about with Spencer Radler, the quarterback that you can win because of, or is he the quarterback that you just don’t lose because of, and we’ve seen now examples of both? Because I didn’t feel like Tyler Shuck was the reason why the Saints lost that game. It felt very much like play calling was the reason why the Saints lost that game, as well as some other kind of fundamental things like Eric Reed and Taesm Hill touched on. Uh, but outside of that, it didn’t feel like Tyler Chuck was the problem in this game. So for the Saints, still trying to figure out where they’re going to go next at quarterback or not where they’re going to go next at quarterback, but what there is to learn next at quarterback. And I still think we’re still in the midst of looking to see are the do the New Orleans have a quarterback that they can win because of in the room. We felt like we got a good example of that against the Carolina Panthers. Now, let’s see what happens up against the Miami Dolphins this upcoming weekend. All right, coming up next. I mentioned that the red zone was not a place where the Saints found much success, and that might be the understatement of the decade. Literally. I’ll tell you why as we continue on with today’s episode of Locked Ones, part of Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. I’m Cody Ro from Lockdown Broncos and this episode is brought to you by Pelaton. Pelaton is shaping the future of fitness with the brand new Pelaton crossraining tread plus powered by Pelaton IQ. This is Pelaton’s most advanced equipment yet, giving you real time guidance and endless ways to move. Whether you’re running, lifting, or you’re crossraining with your favorite instructors like Alex Tusant, it’s training reimagined to make your workout more personal, Pelaton is built for breakthroughs. With features that help you plan, stay motivated, and hit peak performance. You can let yourself run, lift, flex, and go, while Pelaton handles all the rest. Plus, Pelaton IQ provides real time strength coaching, tracking your progress, and suggesting weights that challenge you so you can get stronger. Plus the new movement tracking camera. It counts your reps and corrects your form in real time, making sure every rep is safer and smarter. So, let yourself run, lift, flex, push, and go. Explore the new Pelaton crossraining tread plus at one pelaton.com. Let’s get it. Had nation. The New Orleans Saints red zone offense is one of the worst red zone offenses in the last 10 years of the NFL. Period. Full stop. That is simply the truth. Think about it. 32 teams across the NFL over the course of the last 10 years. That’s 320 total seasons that have either been played or in the proc or are in the process of being played here through week 12. I looked at every thanks to our friends over at True Media, every season for the last 10 years for every single team through the first 12 weeks to see where the Saints red zone percentage, i.e. red zone possessions that are converted and end in touchdowns specifically, not field goals, anything like that, touchdowns specifically, to see where that percentage ranked. Out of the 320 offenses that have played 12 weeks in the last 10 years, the New Orleans Saints ranked 317th. They are the fourth worst offense, fourth worst red zone offense in the decade. Period. Full stop. Take a picture. Send it to them. It is what it is. The New Orleans Saints simply are who they are. 34.5% right now in terms of red zone percentage and they are hovering below 13% over the course of the last three games. This was supposed to be a big area of improvement for the New Orleans Saints coming out of the by-week. Now, there are still six games left for them to prove that that is the case, but it will take a bar departure from what the New Orleans Saints have done over the course of the 2025 season so far, which is a near historic worst. And in fact, if you go back to the last five years, the Saints are the second least, right? They’re right there at the very very they’re only one team is worse. I believe it’s the New York Jets, one of their seasons. And so for New Orleans, this is a five alarm fire. Five alarm fire. This is something that was supposed to get better out of the by-week. This is something that shouldn’t have been an issue in the first place. When you think a when you think about it, you have a Taesm Hill. You have an Alvin Chimera who like in Alvin Chimera’s best seasons when he scored, you know, 15 plus touchdowns, the majority of them were in the red zone. Taesm Hill’s best seasons effectiveness in the red zone and of course an offensive genius in Kell Moore that has found a lot of success in this area throughout his career has not been able to replicate it here in New Orleans. We spoke to Taesm Hill after the game on Sunday and one of the things that he talked about was not playing with a low enough pad level. And I went back and I w in the red zone in particular. I went back and I watched a few of the red zone plays. If you’re going to do a whole film study breakdown on just the red zone plays on the New Orleans Saints offense because they ran 13, I believe it was offensive plays in the red zone, penalties on a couple of those, but nine of those were inside the 10 yard line and the Saints could not get into the end zone. This is a major issue for New Orleans and something that they absolutely have got to get fixed. And whether they get it fixed this year or they’re going to have to wait until next year to get it fixed, whatever it might be, they’ll have to do that. But the low pad level is something that’s very interesting because we talked about the offensive line struggling throughout this game. And players not playing with a low enough pad level likely usually often times means they’re not winning at the point of attack. They’re getting blown off of their spot on the point of attack. So we’ll go through with our insiders. We’ll do a whole film study. If you want to do that, there’s a link in the description if you want to join the insider program. All right, let’s get into one more that is historic in relative to the New Orleans Saints in particular. So, this one doesn’t go across like the entire NFL like the like the red zone stuff did, but um since 1970 is where we’re going back to here. That’s a date you need to know. Um so, um for the Saints, Blake Groupy right now is averaging 69.2% in terms of his his field goal percentage. That’s what’s kind of sparked all this conversation around changing the quarterback or changing the quarterback, changing the kicker, which we talked about earlier in the show, all those things. But, um, he’s holding a 69.2% field goal percentage with 25 at least 25 attempts through the first 12 weeks. So, if you look at all of the quarterbacks through the New Orleans Saints history that attempted 25 field goals through the first 12 weeks of the season, throughout the entire New Orleans Saints existence, the 69.2 2% field goal percentage is the lowest for any kicker since 1970. 1 1970. That’s 55 years worth of history right there. That’s a 55 year low for Blake Rupy. It’s one of the reasons why I say like despite the fact that he’s a great dude, all those other things, this is a performance-based league and right now the performance is not there. And so this is my example for exactly that. Think back to 1970 if you can and what was going on. The Saints were playing at where? Two-lane Stadium. They had only been in existence for what, three seasons or three three seasons prior. They had the 67 68 69 seasons and they were in the 70 season here. Um the Supernome hadn’t even begun construction like groundbreaking didn’t happen until 71. The completion of the Superdome didn’t happen until 75. The Saints didn’t play their first game in the Superdome until 75. All of that history happened the last time that a Saints kicker had a field goal percentage lower than what Blake Groupy has right now through the first 12 games of a season. That’s one of the biggest reasons why I don’t believe you’re going to see Blake Groupy be the kicker next week or rather later on this week uh up against Miami. There’s no way that you can continue to have that be okay as a part of your team, as a part of your organization, and especially for a team that has opened up so many opportunities for young guys to get a chance to go in and get exposure, develop, see some game action, get to learn the NFL speed, all of those other things. Now, the Saints might not do that, as we observed earlier. They might not go with their young option in Charlie Smith. they might go with a veteran option that they sign in free agency, but in any case, you’re establishing a precedent at some point of too much patience when you probably can’t afford to do so. And so, that’s a big reason why I think the New Orleans Saints will not have Blake Groupy as their field goal kicker uh in Miami unless something goes wrong and they can’t find a guy to improve upon that. But with numbers like that and a 55-year low, it makes a lot of sense to make a change. All right, a little bit of land for you. Something that often gets lost in the special teams conversation because look, field goals are very important because they can put points on the board, right? But we don’t often take a look at the punter right now. And I have to say, not a historical low, but a season low right now for the New Orleans Saints in terms of the way that Kai Kroger’s performance as a punter has turned out so far. Right now, Kai Kroger is near or at rock bottom in many major categories when it comes to the punting side. So, we spent a lot of time focusing on field goals, which like I said, makes sense. That’s what puts points on the board. And right now, the Saints have the worst offense in the NFL in terms of scoring offense, averaging just 15 points per game. And so, points come at a premium. So, you care very much about that. But listen to some of these numbers when it comes to Kai Kroger as a punter. and same thing. Very nice dude, very nice individual, but performance-based league and probably not a position that you’re going to replace in season. Something you’re probably going to slog through for the rest of the year, but certainly over the course of the offseason, I would expect the Saints to begin the 2026 season with different kicker and with a different kicker and punter duo than they end the season with here in 2025. Um, right now, Kai Kroger’s net punt yards, which every special teams coordinator in the NFL will tell you is the most important metric, right? It takes into account not just how far you punt, but the return yards that you allow. So, this is a good evaluation on punters who outkick their coverage or kick the ball into, you know, bad situations for their coverage team, so on and so forth. Right now, 36.1 net yards per punt, lowest in the NFL, number 32 out of the 32 qualifying punters. Beyond that, just general average yards per punt. So punting and not worried about taking into consideration return or anything like that. 43.9 yards per punt. Second lowest in the NFL, number 31 on that list of 32. And then only three punts downed inside the 10 all season long. That is tied for 29th out of 35 places. But because there are several uh punters that are tied with one punt inside the 10 or zero punts inside the 10 with our friends over at True Media, um that is over the course of 37 total punters. And um Kai Krueger was tied with about three guys at three punch inside the 10 as well. So, I know that you’re, you know, there’s a lot of attention that’s going to be paid and you’re going to hear a lot about field goal kicking. Um, especially with everything going on now, uh, for reasons. Um, but the punting side of the equation is something that needs major attention and major help as well. So, something that we’ll certainly be tracking throughout the offseason. All right, fam. We’ll see you tomorrow while I give you the lowdown on everything you need to know about the New Orleans Saints red zone struggles against Atlanta. And don’t forget, you can catch us every Monday through Friday at 10 a.m. over in the GF Coast Sports Entertainment Network. We appreciate you very much as always for making us a part of your day, part of your routine, for saying yes to me and the show. If you see me, please say hi. And if you need anything else around your New Orleans Saints in between these episodes, make sure you follow me on your favorite social media, Ross Jackson na. Hit me up. Let the family’s doing. Let me know how you living. Let me know how your moming them. And trust Nation, I’ll holl at you.

The New Orleans Saints’ risky consideration of veteran kicker Justin Tucker ignites fierce debate. Many argue the team must avoid Tucker due to serious off-field allegations. With former LSU kicker Cade York and practice squad hopeful Charlie Smyth also in the mix, the Saints face critical decisions at a position marred by Blake Grupe’s historically low field goal percentage—the Saints’ worst since 1970 through 12 weeks.

Rookie quarterback Tyler Shough makes Saints history with a standout 65%+ completion rate on 40+ attempts, joining Drew Brees and other former Saints QBs, yet struggles persist behind a faltering offensive line and disastrous red zone production.

0:24 — Saints, Justin Tucker Controversy
10:21 — Tyler Shough Historic Performance
19:09 — Red Zone & Special Teams Woes

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