Four game losing streak — Red Wings lose back-to-back against Atlantic foes Lightning & Bruins

Four game losing streak — Red Wings lose back-to-back against Atlantic foes Lightning & Bruins

Today on Lockdown Red Wings, Detroit’s struggles continue as they lose to both division foes Tampa and Boston to stretch their losing streak to four. You’re Locked on Red Wings, your daily podcast on the Detroit Red Wings, part of the Locked On Network, your team every day. Welcome back to the Lockdown Red Wings podcast. We are your hosts, Brian Fischer and Scotty Bentley, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every single day. And today’s episode is brought to you by FanDuel. So, if you want to be right in the middle of the action this season, visit fanuel.com and place your NFL live bets all season long. Scotty, the Detroit Red Wings fell to both the Tampa Bay Lightning on Friday and the Boston Bruins in a shootout on Saturday. That’s first place and second place in the Atlantic Division that Detroit fell to in both games. They lost both games, but I feel the story of both of those games is a little bit different. So, we’ll cover them chronologically in this one. Um, I’m sure to a lot of people doesn’t matter how they lose. If they lose, it’s that’s the end of the story. But uh if we did that, we wouldn’t have much of a podcast. So Scotty, what is your storyline from the Tampa Bay Lightning game? What was your main takeaway? I mean, at what point is the storyline just same stuff, different day? Like, you know what I mean? Right. Like at what point is is the storyline not just kind of recycled game in and game out? I I I mean I I think there was some at points good in this game, but ultimately the Lightning were, I think, pretty comfortably the better team throughout and and you saw the Red Wings goalending issues continue to rear their ugly head. Uh Gibson, what’s his save percentage on the season now? Do you have that? I don’t even know. Um, I don’t have it in front of me, but I can I can keep talking while you do the hard work and actually pull it out. But it’s it’s just it’s 865. Geez, dude. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I guess that circles back to my original point of, you know, at what point is it is the storyline for every game not just, well, it’s it’s they’re losing the same way over and over and over again. Well, it it’s one of I mean, we talk about it’s one of three things every single time. It’s it’s or multiples of three things every single time. It’s either poor goalending, massive dumb defensive lapses that they should at the professional level. I mean, it happens, but it shouldn’t be happening this frequently. and then just a lack of overall finishing over the course of this stretch where they’ve lost four straight and five of the past six cuz thankfully they came back against the Blue Jackets to secure a win there or else it’d be a six-game losing streak when you get the loser point obvious obvious still a loss but you get the loser it’s still a loss they got the loser point out of Boston which was a good comeback and we’ll talk about that uh in you know when we finish talking about the lightning game but the problem is is they lost to Nashville, the worst team in the league. And they lost because their goalending wasn’t bailing them out when they made defensive lapses. The defensive lapses shouldn’t have been happening. And then on top of that, um they they can’t finish, but the m the finishing has been mitigated a little bit by the fact that they have been scoring like scoring three goals or four goals in three or four straight games, right? They scored what, three against the Devils, three against Nashville, three against the Lightning. Um, you look at they scored four against Columbus. Like they’ve been scoring goals lately, but they can’t get out of their own way. They’ve scored at least three goals all the way going back to when they were shut out to the Islanders. So, in this loss, this five of six that they’ve lost, they’ve only scored fewer than three goals twice, and that was the shut out against the Islanders and the loss against the Bruins. But it’s hard to win hockey games even if you’re starting to score when you can’t get out of your own way. And to me that was the big story line like you said of the Tampa Bay game. Obviously you mentioned John Gibson. I mean again that is just a continuation of that storyline all season long. I mean, he wasn’t put in the best situations again, and that’s been also a problem. But you still need your goalending to be able to step up and bail you out in moments, and he has not done that at any point this season. Uh, where he’s been able to keep you in it when you make a mistake, and the team in front of him keeps making silly mistakes. And again, like you said, that was the case in this game. I mean, there was the two five hole goals, right? The power play goal was a it was a radish shot. It was 100 miles an hour. So, I’ll give and I think it was through a partial screen, but the puck never left the ice and Gibson was just late getting down. Then you had Albert Johansson who’s been having a really that third pair has been struggling lately and that Albert Johansson is no exception to that rule. He has been struggling and he got his pocket picked because he was being too casual recovering the puck and then was it I what was his name? Um, Gonzalez was able to pick the pocket clean, go five hole again on Gibson. Another situation Gibson can’t bail you out when you mess up. You had a huge scramble in the net where Gibson ended up getting knocked down because Nate Danielson pushed a player on top of him and then it was Yanni Gourd who hammered it home. You had another Yanni Gourd goal and then it was a four I think was it another fouron four goal from Jake Gensel? Oh, the deflection because again this team cannot clear the net front. how many games, how many goals are scored in this stretch because the Red Wings do not take the guy in front of the net away. That happened in Boston. We’ll talk about that, but Morgan Geeki’s goal, the first one he scored was because he was it was a turnover and he was wide open in front of the net to deflect the puck. It’s just the team and the goalending is the team in front of him is not good enough defensively and the goalending is not good enough. Even Cam Talba, who’s been the better goalie, isn’t good enough to consistently bail you out. And you would also Sorry, I didn’t mean to cut you off, but like as we record this, it’s still it’s November and like as you know what I mean? Like this episode come out on December 1st like we record in the moment, right? Right. And that’s my point is like Talbot obviously got off to a good start. He got off to a great start last year too and then you know like the the amount of games and the wear and tear caught up to him. That is I don’t want to say certainly going to happen again. Like you never know. They play the games for a reason, but I think we have enough reason to believe that this team should not be that reliant on Cam Talbot going forward, but Gibson has not been good enough to justify playing every night. So, it’s uh you know, rocking a hard place. They’re they’re not good enough defensively to have a bad goalie and their goalending is not bad enough or good enough on its own to make up for how bad they are defensively, right? And you would think after the loss to Nashville they would come out with some fire under them and then like I and part of it is Tampa’s a really good hockey team and they’ve they’re really hot right now. Like you need to recognize that Tampa is I had them winning the division. They started off really cold but they’ve been on an absolute tear. I think the very next night they went out and they pumped the New York Rangers. So Tampa’s a very good hockey team, but that if you want to be a good hockey team, you got to be able to compete with them. So I was really disappointed the performance against uh the Tampa Bay Lightning and because it was more of the same. Um, we did see Michael Rasmusen back in the lineup and Gustoson sent back down as Rasmusen was activated off of IR. I thought Michael Rasmusen had a pretty dang good weekend as a whole. I think he had three points on the weekend. He had two goals and an assist. Uh, the game tying goal late against Boston Saturday. Yeah. Right. Uh, reason they got the point. But I I that’s great to see. I’m happy that Michael Rasmus had some good games. who is back to being Michael Rasm at his best this weekend where he is heavy and he protects the puck and he maintains possession with board battles in the corners like he was doing a lot in this weekend and the secondary scoring against that’s the thing circling back to it again I’m sorry but we got that it’s it’s one of three things right in this game we got one of the things that we’ve been asking for where it’s you got scoring and you got secondary scoring JT comp for and Michael Rasmusen on top of Dylan Lark and Snipe, but then the defense in the goal was terrible. By the way, Confer had a good weekend, too. That’s nice. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I thought he got the second one and it just it came out. Michael Ras tapped at home and then he had a really nice play against Boston. So, like the depth in this this weekend was much better. But again, it’s just one of one or two of three things every single time. How did we describe it earlier? It’s a It’s a leaky pipe that you’re trying to like like plug all the holes at once and when you plug, you know, like there’s three or four holes. You plug all of them and then one, you know, like burst out again and then you like plug that one and then, you know, a different one. like it’s just it’s always it’s always something like it’s always that there’s always some sort of uh you know one of the usual suspects in terms of positional groups or or you know sets whatever um they just can’t seem to put it all together. But I mean as you pointed out going into the weekend like this is also a team that has consistently been inconsistent uh throughout the season. like they they get points in five, six games in a row and then they drop four in a row and then they win three in a row and then they drop, you know what I mean? Like it’s so we’ll see. Yeah, Scotty, let’s head to a break. 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That’s drip dripdrop.com promo code lockdown NHL for 20% off. Stock up now before the heat hits hard and keep your body and mind performing at their best with Drip Drop. Segment two, locked down Red Wings podcast. Scotty, any other notable performance from the game against Tampa Bay? I know we kind of just scattershot our thoughts in segment one there about the game, but any players that stand out to you? Yeah, I mean, I think Comfort deserves some love. Obviously, we talked about the goal a little bit before the break there, but uh walks out of there with two points. I think he had a solid performance. And I mean, to your point, too, like this is they finally get some depth scoring. I guess Larkin had the goal as well, but it’s just man, it’s just it’s frustrating to watch these games right now over the last two weeks. It’s just been a I don’t even know if roller coaster is the right expression because there hasn’t been a lot of going up. It’s mostly been down. But right, uh I I think you know, you see the the performance from Ras Mue. I think he was one of the better players on the wings throughout the uh entire weekend to be completely honest. So, he obviously deserves some credit and that would be a very welcomed addition if he was to get back to how he was playing two seasons ago now. Um, I mean, I like for whatever it’s worth, I thought Edmonson was fine, but like this is just one of those games where you look at and it’s like, okay, well, the notable performances are like between the pipes. Like really, I mean, Tampa scored at least one goal in every period. Yeah, they they scored in the first, three in the second, and two in the third. Like you you’re not going to win too many games giving up five goals in two periods. Well, well, and Max Boltman tweeted it out. He’s like, you’re going to be hardressed to score five goals against Andre Vasileski. Like, they were down four to two after Simon Edmonson made an illvised pass behind the net and Morid then turned it over to Yanni Gourd out front for an unassisted goal that made it four to2. He tweeted out, “You’re the Wings are playing hard, but you’re gonna have a hard time scoring five on Vasilvki.” And they did. They only scored three. Would you would you look at that? It It’s It’s tough. It’s just tough because I’m just going to repeat the same thing that I’ve said a thousand times. Like the scoring is now improving, but now they just can’t get out of their own way defensively. And then Boston to pivot there. I mean, that was the other way around, right? You plug two of the three holes or one of the three holes and the other two start spurting. And the Detroit Red Wings played a much better game defensively against the Boston Bruins, a very heavy team, but could not get anything going offensively. They only allowed two goals in that game, but they couldn’t score more than two themselves. And like, sure, right? You know, I thought the Red Wings played, it’s hard to say this when you only have nine shots through two periods, but Boston only had 13. It wasn’t like they were dominating. It was a it was it was a game that was living and dying along the boards. Nobody was getting to the net and the Red Wings effort in that game was so much better and they made the comeback to get the point. But I guess the story line here for me is it’s really hard to take moral victories when you’re on an L4 and have lost five of six. Well, and it’s it’s also the moral victories we would be taking we have already taken. Like it’s not like right it’s not like we’re begging for them to do one thing specifically differently and then oh on Saturday they went out and did that. No, they they’ve played the same style pretty much all season and that’s not a bad thing. They they’ve played they they’ve played like good competitive hard-nosed hockey I I feel like for most of the season. There’s obviously a few games in there that are exceptions, but they have executed their style of play that they want to emulate very effectively and consistently. The inconsistencies lie in actually just putting the puck in the back of the net, which they can’t do outside of one or two people. And again, as we’ve talked about a million times already, the the the production, we’ll say, of the goalender room. So this isn’t like even if we were to take a moral victory, it would like no one wants to hear it, us included, because right this is the way they’ve been playing. They didn’t change their style. This isn’t like a new moral victory to take. No, they played how they’ve played all year, which is they they get opportunities. They have good effort. They go into uh you know the boards and in the corners and and are making stuff happen and just can’t find the back of the net consistently enough. Now, thankfully on Saturday they walk out of there. I’ve never said anything bad about the loser point. I’m very pro and we uh we walk out of there with one. So, it’s just Yeah, man. The shootout sucks, though. Yeah. No, that that stinks. But, I mean, the the the other storyline from this game besides just us whining about the fact that the Wings can’t win games right now. And like something to keep in mind, too, is it’s December 1st. like there’s a lot of hockey left to be played. Win streaks and losing streaks are going to happen that. Now, don’t get me wrong, the Red Wings have got to figure it out and they’ve got to snap out of it, but less we forget, they’ve already also had a five-game winning streak. Boston and Tampa, who the Red Wings just lost to, have also had massive losing streaks at some points during the season. Like, they’re going to go on a winning streak again at some point. They’re going to stay in this mix because it’s it’s a tight race all the way throughout the season. But, you know, we record in the moment and in the moment this is incredibly frustrating because they struggle to figure it out, right? I agree completely. Excuse me. But it it’s also it is I mean, as we’ve said, like the problems that have plagued them continue to plague them even in wins. Like it feels like the the issues that they’ve had throughout the year are still a thorn in their side. But I I I think that this is an instance too where the the question is not as much, you know, will the Wings hang around and be in that playoff hunt. I think they’ve established themselves as, you know, a competitive like middle of the road team at worst. Yeah. But I I think the question is more to do with do they ever figure out the two glaring issues that they have which is finishing and goalending right like that is the question I have faith that they’re going to get opportunities outshoot their opponent more times than not a and that they are going to be relatively productive at five on five. I have some sort of faith. Maybe not the faith I did last year, but in the power play, the penalty kill is way better than it was a year ago. Like all of these things are great, but the the question is to what extent do the two biggest areas of weakness on this team get fixed, if they get fixed at all. Because if the answer is no, then they’re going to miss the playoffs yet again. Well, and you can already hear and how Mlullen talks to the media. He like he’s even at like his wit’s end. He’s like they they know what they have to be doing. Like he’s talked about how they they need to start valuing checking if they want to compete and that the team and you watch the game and you see it. A lot of guys they they just wave with their sticks and they try to they try to win board battles with just their sticks. They’re not engaging physically and he’s right about that. Um I mean talking about the Boston game too, Scotty, you know, obviously my storyline that I referenced was the fact that this team struggles to do one of two things every single game, right? and that it was a good it was a moral victory, but it’s hard to well I can’t say it was a moral victory but that was my point though is because of losing streak but in reality when you look at the game itself like the Red Wings pushed really hard in the second half of the game and they actually dominated the second half of the game because they wanted to win and I commend them for that effort. They got the loser point, but what killed them in this hockey game was to put a more refined look upon the fact that they couldn’t score, right? Cuz I referenced that 0 for five on the power play, including an overtime power play, Scotty. 0 for six on the power play on the weekend. And that top unit has way too much talent on it for it to not be scoring. And by my account, their main issue right now is the fact that they love to pass. Nobody on that wants to shoot. Like they continue to pass to the open man. Like they they do a good job of establishing the zone. They do a good job of spreading out and remaining open. And Boston did a really nice job of pressuring the point which makes it hard for how the Red Wings want to run their power play. They’ve had a good kill for the amount of times the Red Wings passed on a shot instead to pass the puck itself was driving me insane because they keep looking for that like slam dunk bang home shot and some teams just aren’t going to give you that. Morsider and Lucas Raymond, I’m looking at you my friends. You guys, when you get a shooting lane, sometimes take the shooting lane and get the rebound opportunity. The amount of times I saw those two guys and Lucas Raymond has an incredible shot. I know he’s a playmaker first, but he has a great shot for sure. It it I know Raymond scored in that game, but it just drives me nuts because power play unit one is far too good to not be shooting the puck on the power play. Yeah. And I I think I mean you mentioned there 0 for six on the weekend is brutal. And I I think to add off, you know, piggyback off what you were saying, not only is it a situation where you look at the names on the power play and you look at the success it had last year and you go, “Well, this should be far better than what they’re producing this year.” It also is it’s kind of needed because they can’t score at five on five. So, like this really just snowballs back into the bigger picture of like you have to take advantage of having your four best offensive players on the ice at one time. You you have to take advantage of those opportunities and with a man advantage obviously um because you are not scoring nearly enough at five on five to be able to afford I think is the word uh you know these cold spells with your power play. So like yeah and then obviously the penalty kill didn’t have a great weekend after I just complimented them. They went uh what one for three total on the on I think they only killed one penalty this weekend between both games. So yeah, I mean it it’s you they they have put themselves in a position where if they are not going to consistently put the puck in the back of the net at five on five, they have to be almost flawless on special teams and neither unit is worthy of of that, you know, title. So Scotty, we got to head to another break, but I’m not done with this game yet. So we’ll finish that in segment three of Lockdown Red Wings. NFL Sundays move fast. One big play and suddenly everything feels different. That’s what makes live betting with FanDuel so exp so exciting. You’re not just watching the game. You’re reacting to it in real time. With FanDuel, you can place as many bets as the action unfolds. Every drive, every momentum swing, every highlight moment. Live betting is best when the game starts to shift. A receiver gets hot, a defense tightens up, or the momentum flips after a turnover. FanDuel lets you jump into the moment. So, if you want to be right in the middle of the action this season, visit FanDuel.com and place your live bets for the NFL all season long. FanDuel, the game moves fast, so you can too. All right, Scotty. Another thing about not just this game, but the Red Wings issues as a whole right now, but of course was exacerbated this weekend with two games. When was the last time they scored on an oddman rush? Like honest to God, I I don’t even know. The Bush administration, I don’t even know. I I that’s a a time and a place long ago, far far away. I have no idea. So against Tampa, you had Casper to Cat, Danielson to Kane, Finny and Kane. Oh yeah, the Finny and Kane opportunity where neither of them could knock it home and Kane again had an opportunity on the goal line and couldn’t knock it home. Uh you had Cat to Larkin with that was a power play, so that wasn’t a two-on-one. Uh and then in the game against the Bruins, you had Finny to Danielson break, which they didn’t score on. you had uh Casper and a Danielson 211 which they didn’t score on. I mean, it’s just Yeah, maybe maybe it’s even Bush Senior. Um right, you know, I it’s it’s been a while. It’s it’s really frustrating because converting on those oddman rushes, I mean, they can swing a game and it just it’s just it’s another thing on the pile of things we’re talking about. And that obviously is part of the offensive part of this conversation where sometimes the offense just can’t convert. And while they have scored three goals lately and some of them I mean like the goal that Raymond scored was off a turnover. It was a turnover in the offensive zone by the Bruins. Finey made a beautiful pass to Larkin made a beautiful shot pass to Raymond to redirect for a goal. The uh Rasmusen goal was a beautiful tic-tac-toe play. Larkin to Ca Kane to Ras Mucen. Like those are beautiful plays, but you their shooting percentage on oddman rushes is close to zero. I mean, it’s just all of these things stacking on top of one another. It’s an ineffective power play. Can’t convert on an oddman rush. Can’t get out of their own way defensively at times. Goalending isn’t good enough. One hole and the other hole starts to skew spew water instead. So, that’s just more of the same. But again, Raymond did score in this game. Larkin had two assists and a goal this weekend. He’s on a 91 point pace or something close to that. They’re about the only two players that I look at and say, man, they’re giving it their all. I mean, that’s not that’s being like obviously Cider and Finny are giving it their all. I should say they’re only two players that are consistently being productive. De Brink too, although he didn’t. Yeah. Cat too. It’s just really frustrating when it’s like three guys producing points and nobody else can. But then when the other guys can, right, they stop because of course the the defense gives up six goals. I feel like I’ve been talking in circle all game but or all episode. No, I I I feel the same way. And and maybe it’s, you know, terrible radio or whatever, but I I just it’s it’s hard to especially with two games. Like it’s not even like, oh, one game was the same old story and the same old song and dance, but the other one was way like they they both they they both were the same. Like they the goalending was slightly better on Saturday than it was on Friday, and that’s why you got a loser point. Like that’s that’s maybe the only difference. Like they No, I I think the Red Wings as a whole played a much better game against Boston. But no, I agree with that. I just mean the the issues that they had continued, I guess, throughout both games. That that was my my bigger point, I guess, cuz the Red Wings dominated the second half of that game against the Bruins. Yeah, they apply pressure. That that’s never that hasn’t been really much of an issue this year. They just can’t actually do anything with the pressure they apply, dude. They just they’re in a funk right now and they will break out at some point and they will win more hockey games, but it’s just so incredibly Yeah, I’m confident they’re going to win more hockey games. No, no, no. Not that part. All right. Thanks, dude. Yeah, that they’ll break out of the funk, that they will score more goals like on a consistent basis at some time this year. Well, I mean, they’ve already started to do that outside of Boston the last four games before Boston. They’ve scored at least three goals in each and every game. The issue in those games where they can’t couldn’t get out of their own way defensively. Right. It’s just Are you saying because scoring more it’s just Well, you know what I’m gonna say. Yeah. Yeah. I I I get it. Yeah. The analogy again. I what I was trying to say is that I they’ll figure it out as in like they’ll they’ll go on another winning streak at some point. They’ll look they’ll look invisible. Remember how invincible they looked on that fivegame winning streak? Like it felt like they’d never lose again because they had so much swagger. And it’s just it goes back to what Todd Mlen talked about in the offseason in that fact that this team is mentally soft and that they go through these incredible highs and these incredible lows and right now they’re they’re going through a low. They can’t seem to get themselves out of it. They get they get down one one goal and sometimes it feels like it’s the end of the world. Um should we talk about more Cider’s fight and his big hit? I mean, that’s worth noting at least cuz Boston loves to goon it up and I think they I think Castle like very clearly had in mind I’m going to try and get more Cider off the ice for five minutes. 100%. Yeah, Cider took the bait which I’m not thrilled about. And Cider I was worried was going to have a concussion after that fight because it did not go Cider’s way. Although I always have massive respect for dropping the gloves in general. Uh but Castlick is a fourthline pest. That is his role and Cider found that out the hard way I found. But he got his licks back later in the game where he just absolutely destroyed Was it Tanner Jano? Was it Jano? I don’t think that’s right. Yeah, I can’t find the clip in about 5 seconds. Or was it Steves? I don’t know. Someone in the comments will tell me. But he annihilated somebody trying to break out of the offensive zone. So that’s where he got his revenge. But yeah, that’s that’s that. Yeah, respect. I mean, it needs something to fire everybody up. So, all right. Well, I guess that takes us to the end of the episode because unless you want to talk in a circle again about this team’s flaws. No, I’m I don’t need to rehash it for the for the sixth time for sure. Especially when they’re backto-back losses, right? Um Yeah, man. All right. Well, the Red Wings play Boston again at home on Tuesday. So, we will re we will preview that game tomorrow. Stay tuned for that. Same time, same place. your team. We every day we do ball.

The Detroit Red Wings are in a funk right now they can’t seem to snap out of. Friday’s noon game against the Lightning was a loss like we’ve seen a lot lately, where simple defensive lapses cost them. Saturday against the Bruins was a much better performance defensivley, but Detroit struggled to get and offense going. Michael Rasmussen came back from injury and had a good weekened with 2 goals and an assist, and Lucas Raymond and Dylan Larkin stayed hot. #LGRW

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