Unless they make moves to improve like big signings I’ll be keeping my money to myself. Being around .500 isn’t acceptable. If the moves they’re making turn out to great and they start making the playoffs, great. Otherwise, they need to start spending some money and getting top tier talent. If fans keep supporting mediocrity then the owners have no reason to do better.
They need to sell the damn team if they’re going to keep operating like a small/mid market club.
Just let the Dodgers 3-peat at this point idc anymore jfc
Idk if this is true but very discouraging if it is. Even with Devers, Dodgers and even Padres were still kicking our asses
You know what? I’m actually happy about this. At least they’re not hiding being pathetic in free agency anymore. Appreciate the honesty.
All the news coming out the last week has been disappointing…. But can we at least get thru December before we say with certainty they aren’t spending? The Adames and Devers deals came out of nowhere, I don’t think they leak stuff like other teams.
If they don’t spend after bringing in Devers and Adames then they’re dumb af and should’ve just rebuilt, but let’s at least get thru the winter meetings before we write their offseason off
Because …
1) They know there’s nothing they can do to beat the Dodgers
2) The ***ballpark experience*** guarantees butts in seats – even if half those butts are Dodgers and Padres fans.
Yeah broadcasting their plans before winger meetings and saying they are desperate to spend would be better.
The Johnson’s know mediocrity is, for them at least, wildly profitable. Why spend more for an incremental uptick in revenue due to a championship? And God forbid you actually win one – the fans will bitch even more the next year when you don’t. Big free agent signing was Devers. That’s all you get.
Among the richest owners in all MLB.
Top 3-5 valuation team in MLB.
Top 8 revenue in MLB.
Both valuation and revenue expected to increase substantially over next 5 years due to vacating of A’s from the region.
Yet content with an average salary in the 10-15 in MLB range typically over last 10 years.
Fk our MAGA owner who is content to milk from the teat of mediocrity.
Ain’t like they haven’t been spending at all….10th in 2025 and projected to be 10th in 2026…..just can’t compete with lad spending. 2026 might be the last year of ball for a while. Baseball needs a hard cap
And doesn’t the current revenue/payroll tax sharing plan shelter those teams that don’t? Plenty of money rolling in even with empty seats in the ballpark.
I didn’t pay to go to a game this year, and I won’t next year either. If the product is bad, I ain’t buying. I am in the minority, however. There’s no reason to do better if people continue going to games based on loyalty alone.
Nothing like it1
I’m not actually that opposed to this. Big money and longterm deals for FA starting pitchers have historically not been great investments. Hope they still shore up the bullpen and add some more moderately priced starters
This ownership has consistently showed us that they are good with mediocre spending with big hopes for over performance. I know we all got excited with Buster getting hired, but I feel like he’s the sparkly object to distract us from the lack of splashy FA signings.
It’s been this way since I was a kid, and I think it will always be so.
For the last 5-10 years, nearly every time the Giants have announced they are going to go out and throw money at the best of the best, primo free agents they always seem to get outbid or used as a bargaining chip only for that player to sign with another team. There is zero risk in letting the media and the rest of the league think they’re going to sit on their hands this offseason.
.500 baseball. “It doesn’t get more SF”
Giants won 3 WS in 5 years without breaking the bank. The Guardians have one of the lowest payrolls and they are constantly in playoff contention.
Lemme rethink my auto-renewal mlb season subscription. Lots of mixed messages coming out, which isn’t great.
I’ll be the contra approach person here. There is not a sure correlation between winning and spending a ton on an FA class that is not exactly loaded where the Giants need the most help, and I think Buster is aware of that. (For example, what exactly were the Blue Jays thinking with the signing of Cease?) Trying to mimick the Dodgers, or any other team for that matter, just means that you are positioning yourself to always be playing catch up.
The things they need most (a quality starter; bullpen depth; improvement at 2B and outfield, especially with speed and defense) are things that savvy GMs can acquire after the splashy FA period. My hope is that is where the Giants are investing their energy and, hopefully, financial resources. But that will likely occur after the calendar turns.
4th in revenue, 12th in spending, and basically the 12th to 15th best team
We shouldn’t spend a dime on tickets or merch until they start spending like they want to compete
Charles Johnson needs to go
Someone mentioned that with the A’s leaving Oakland, there’s no reason for the Giants’ ownership to invest in the team anymore. They’ll always have Northern California to themselves, so even if they’re terrible, people will still buy tickets and merch. The Giants’ ownership doesn’t care about competing with the Dodgers now; they know that ship has sailed. All they have to do is meet with top players, pretend to try to sign them, and when it doesn’t happen, they can just say, “Hey, we tried.”
On the other hand, if the Giants start throwing big money at a lot of the avaiable free agents in this weak free-agent class, they risk locking themselves into the same mediocrity but with only far less payroll flexibility in the future. Posey and Co. are competing with a crowded field of clubs for a limited number of meaningful upgrades, a dynamic that will almost certainly inflate prices for mid-tier players incapable of making a meaningful impact upon club fortunes.
A more prudent approach would be to selectively pursue undervalued free agents and explore trades that can create surplus value. Still, none of those moves would have the immediate impact of landing a Kyle Tucker, Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman, or Bo Bichette. The challenge is that those players arre likely to command huge contracts and committments of six to ten years.
Same as their garlic fries, meh .
Be fine not to spend money if it felt you had something in the minors brewing. You don’t though. We really going to throw out some combination of whisenhunt, kai wei Teng, birdsong every 5th day and as fans say we are ok with it?
Like at least heading into the 2010s you had a plethora of young and upcoming pitchers. Timmy and Cain formed a potent 1-2 punch in terms of overall arm talent and were in their mid 20s. You had Sanchez throwing no nos and Bum waiting in the wings, and Zito was like your 4th or 5th best starter at that point.
Just frustrating to not spend when we’ve never had this level of offensive threats and you’re 1 or 2 pitchers and some relief away from being a legit threat in a 5-7 game series.
Looks like the Giants are continuing or returning to the Zaidi Farhan mentality…
if they’re not going to put any money into the team, then neither will I. I’ll be watching the games from home on a shady stream.
Im okay with it turning out we’re going to trade for pitching instead of hire pitching. But… how could we trade for (proven) pitching unless we deal one of our top offensive players? Our farm system is whack.
This will save me lots of money when I skip games and not buy multiple $23 Russian River beers.
I’m going get burned at the stake for this….
Outside of Imai, IMO this free agent class is incredibly weak in comparison to years prior. (Thank Farhan for sleeping on generational talent that actually made it to free agency) If the starting pitching market starts at 7 years $210m for Dylan Cease and his 4.55 ERA, then count me out.
If Imai wasn’t an option, the only suitable thing I think the Giants could do is to make trades.
Any team signing any player this offseason not named Kyle Tucker would be a massive overpay.
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Unless they make moves to improve like big signings I’ll be keeping my money to myself. Being around .500 isn’t acceptable. If the moves they’re making turn out to great and they start making the playoffs, great. Otherwise, they need to start spending some money and getting top tier talent. If fans keep supporting mediocrity then the owners have no reason to do better.
They need to sell the damn team if they’re going to keep operating like a small/mid market club.
Just let the Dodgers 3-peat at this point idc anymore jfc
Idk if this is true but very discouraging if it is. Even with Devers, Dodgers and even Padres were still kicking our asses
You know what? I’m actually happy about this. At least they’re not hiding being pathetic in free agency anymore. Appreciate the honesty.
All the news coming out the last week has been disappointing…. But can we at least get thru December before we say with certainty they aren’t spending? The Adames and Devers deals came out of nowhere, I don’t think they leak stuff like other teams.
If they don’t spend after bringing in Devers and Adames then they’re dumb af and should’ve just rebuilt, but let’s at least get thru the winter meetings before we write their offseason off
Because …
1) They know there’s nothing they can do to beat the Dodgers
2) The ***ballpark experience*** guarantees butts in seats – even if half those butts are Dodgers and Padres fans.
Yeah broadcasting their plans before winger meetings and saying they are desperate to spend would be better.
The Johnson’s know mediocrity is, for them at least, wildly profitable. Why spend more for an incremental uptick in revenue due to a championship? And God forbid you actually win one – the fans will bitch even more the next year when you don’t. Big free agent signing was Devers. That’s all you get.
Among the richest owners in all MLB.
Top 3-5 valuation team in MLB.
Top 8 revenue in MLB.
Both valuation and revenue expected to increase substantially over next 5 years due to vacating of A’s from the region.
Yet content with an average salary in the 10-15 in MLB range typically over last 10 years.
Fk our MAGA owner who is content to milk from the teat of mediocrity.
Ain’t like they haven’t been spending at all….10th in 2025 and projected to be 10th in 2026…..just can’t compete with lad spending. 2026 might be the last year of ball for a while. Baseball needs a hard cap
And doesn’t the current revenue/payroll tax sharing plan shelter those teams that don’t? Plenty of money rolling in even with empty seats in the ballpark.
I didn’t pay to go to a game this year, and I won’t next year either. If the product is bad, I ain’t buying. I am in the minority, however. There’s no reason to do better if people continue going to games based on loyalty alone.
Nothing like it1
I’m not actually that opposed to this. Big money and longterm deals for FA starting pitchers have historically not been great investments. Hope they still shore up the bullpen and add some more moderately priced starters
This ownership has consistently showed us that they are good with mediocre spending with big hopes for over performance. I know we all got excited with Buster getting hired, but I feel like he’s the sparkly object to distract us from the lack of splashy FA signings.
It’s been this way since I was a kid, and I think it will always be so.
For the last 5-10 years, nearly every time the Giants have announced they are going to go out and throw money at the best of the best, primo free agents they always seem to get outbid or used as a bargaining chip only for that player to sign with another team. There is zero risk in letting the media and the rest of the league think they’re going to sit on their hands this offseason.
.500 baseball. “It doesn’t get more SF”
Giants won 3 WS in 5 years without breaking the bank. The Guardians have one of the lowest payrolls and they are constantly in playoff contention.
Lemme rethink my auto-renewal mlb season subscription. Lots of mixed messages coming out, which isn’t great.
I’ll be the contra approach person here. There is not a sure correlation between winning and spending a ton on an FA class that is not exactly loaded where the Giants need the most help, and I think Buster is aware of that. (For example, what exactly were the Blue Jays thinking with the signing of Cease?) Trying to mimick the Dodgers, or any other team for that matter, just means that you are positioning yourself to always be playing catch up.
The things they need most (a quality starter; bullpen depth; improvement at 2B and outfield, especially with speed and defense) are things that savvy GMs can acquire after the splashy FA period. My hope is that is where the Giants are investing their energy and, hopefully, financial resources. But that will likely occur after the calendar turns.
4th in revenue, 12th in spending, and basically the 12th to 15th best team
We shouldn’t spend a dime on tickets or merch until they start spending like they want to compete
Charles Johnson needs to go
Someone mentioned that with the A’s leaving Oakland, there’s no reason for the Giants’ ownership to invest in the team anymore. They’ll always have Northern California to themselves, so even if they’re terrible, people will still buy tickets and merch. The Giants’ ownership doesn’t care about competing with the Dodgers now; they know that ship has sailed. All they have to do is meet with top players, pretend to try to sign them, and when it doesn’t happen, they can just say, “Hey, we tried.”
On the other hand, if the Giants start throwing big money at a lot of the avaiable free agents in this weak free-agent class, they risk locking themselves into the same mediocrity but with only far less payroll flexibility in the future. Posey and Co. are competing with a crowded field of clubs for a limited number of meaningful upgrades, a dynamic that will almost certainly inflate prices for mid-tier players incapable of making a meaningful impact upon club fortunes.
A more prudent approach would be to selectively pursue undervalued free agents and explore trades that can create surplus value. Still, none of those moves would have the immediate impact of landing a Kyle Tucker, Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman, or Bo Bichette. The challenge is that those players arre likely to command huge contracts and committments of six to ten years.
Same as their garlic fries, meh .
Be fine not to spend money if it felt you had something in the minors brewing. You don’t though. We really going to throw out some combination of whisenhunt, kai wei Teng, birdsong every 5th day and as fans say we are ok with it?
Like at least heading into the 2010s you had a plethora of young and upcoming pitchers. Timmy and Cain formed a potent 1-2 punch in terms of overall arm talent and were in their mid 20s. You had Sanchez throwing no nos and Bum waiting in the wings, and Zito was like your 4th or 5th best starter at that point.
Just frustrating to not spend when we’ve never had this level of offensive threats and you’re 1 or 2 pitchers and some relief away from being a legit threat in a 5-7 game series.
Looks like the Giants are continuing or returning to the Zaidi Farhan mentality…
if they’re not going to put any money into the team, then neither will I. I’ll be watching the games from home on a shady stream.
Im okay with it turning out we’re going to trade for pitching instead of hire pitching. But… how could we trade for (proven) pitching unless we deal one of our top offensive players? Our farm system is whack.
This will save me lots of money when I skip games and not buy multiple $23 Russian River beers.
I’m going get burned at the stake for this….
Outside of Imai, IMO this free agent class is incredibly weak in comparison to years prior. (Thank Farhan for sleeping on generational talent that actually made it to free agency) If the starting pitching market starts at 7 years $210m for Dylan Cease and his 4.55 ERA, then count me out.
If Imai wasn’t an option, the only suitable thing I think the Giants could do is to make trades.
Any team signing any player this offseason not named Kyle Tucker would be a massive overpay.
Fucking BOOOOOOOOOOOO