Schoen and Daboll have a winning season and a playoff win in that span. But the more the more the roster became dependent on Schoen’s picks and decisions the worse the team got year by year.
Gettleman was a bad GM but all I hear is Schoen is the better GM. So I ask, how much better was he really?
After almost 4 years Schoen had yet to draft a pro bowler. Yet to address a bottom ranked defense and league worst run defense. And the team has gotten worse every year despite having “a core” he can build on.
Evaluate Schoen and give us your thoughts on how much better or worse of a GM he was than Gettleman.
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Schoen has had way too many draft busts.
But he did nothing as dumb as the Billy Price trade. Or the Sam Beal draft pick. Or drafting a running back at 2 overall
The big difference i think is the cap under Gettleman was REALLY bad, while now its really healthy. He was using void years and similar to try to build a roster to save his job, Schoen has a very healthy cap space.
I will say, that this year, more of the games have at least been entertaining and close (if not heart breaking.) That’s a step in the right direction. Granted, one step doesn’t mean a lot when you have the whole marathon in front of you…
He’s 1.5 wins better! I hope Schoen doesn’t see this because he’ll try to use this post as proof that he’s moving the team in the “right direction”.
Our one playoff win in a decade was off the back of Gettleman players btw
Schoen had a bad tenure and is leaving our team with a healthy cap that will at least make us a decent landing spot for future hires.
Gettleman had a bad tenure and left our team in a crater so deep we were fielding Richie James and David Sills as primary receivers.
So short-term shit versus long-term shit? I’ll take the short-term every time, that way we can at least cut and run once it’s clear he isn’t the guy.
Draft wise not much better but he did get us out of cap hell that Getty left, I know this year we are short but starting next year once DJ comes off the books we are in a much better position. Overall though- he’s better but that doesn’t say much with the low bar that was left
1.5
Dave Gettleman and Ryan Grigson are the 2 worst GMs in the modern history of the NFL; Joe Schoen is about bang-average process-wise and has been dreadfully unlucky. The fans seem to have memory-holed how bad Gettleman really was
Schoen is WAY better than Gettleman. The results are the same but Schoen’s process and his understanding of the cap and positional value, analytics, etc. are so much better.
The only thing Gettleman was better at – in a vacuum – was identifying talent. Yes, that’s important but drafting Saquon at #2 overall was an idiot decision even though he’s a great player. Same thing with Daniel Jones – we could have drafted him in the second round but nope, #7 overall.
I think Schoen has also been handicapped by the owner meddling but also he’s just not hitting on draft picks because the organization is a mess. On average after each of his drafts, people think he did a good job. The draft reactions and grades are almost all positive – but then these players come in and suck balls because the organization cannot develop anyone or play to anyone’s strengths or put anyone in a position to succeed.
Joe Schoen should be fired based on the last 4 years but the next GM is also going to fail unless core changes are made and that ain’t happening because it involves firing family members.
It’s absolutely incredible. How long this organization has been an absolute dumpster fire. It’s so sad that we’ve turned into the Jets and the Browns.
I think it’s pretty clear that Gettleman was the better drafter, but Joe has done a much better job with the salary cap and trades. Overall, when you look at their whole body of work, they are clearly failed/failing in way too many areas.
Schoen has built a functional OL, even with the one big miss.
The trade and contract for Burns might actually be an underpay if he keeps this level of performance.
Dart.
If Vrabel was our HC, we would be at .500 and looking like a juggernaut.
I hate both, please don’t make me choose. Both of those fucks make me miss Jerry Reese and he was terrible too. Gettleman fucked us over trading Odell, not just because we lost the talent but it also fucked us over with the cap. Then the mf used golden Tate as a replacement, not saying dj would’ve been the guy but he would’ve been a hell of a lot better with a number 1 target and saquon would’ve benefited from it too. Man just seeing his snake ass face makes me angry I feel like a surviving victim. Ik we’re all still team fuck saquon but Joe not trading him before the deadline and letting him walk to the eagles for a championship will never not piss me off. 3 straight gms were garbage maybe just maybe it’s not just the gms but the guys picking the gms. I wish those fucks sell the team
It’s hard to say but JS at least hasn’t spent us into cap hell. He’s definitely not as much of a jacksss.
Schoen inherited Gettleman’s dumpster fire (like any incoming GM would have), which IMO is a cause for leniency on his record – given how badly ol’Davey put us behind and slammed us into the dirt. However, yes, it’s been a lackluster underwhelming run, working w/ what he inherited. I’m happy with a few things Schoen has done tho.
How much did we spend on Kenny Golladay again? Just imagine we used that $ for literally anything else.
Hot take: Gettleman was better in the draft than Schoen has been.
It’s brain dead to think Schoen is anywhere near as bad as Getty. Actually look at the games played and the context for the losses. Half of Schoen’s losses came from DJ being hurt and using a backup QB. He was also handcuffed to DJ by Mara. This year, the Giants lost how many games after leading by double digits in the 4th quarter? You don’t blow that many leads because of bad players. By the way, those leads mostly came against good teams with great records. You don’t get ahead by double digits on good teams regularly with a bad roster. Those losses are on bad coaching, plain and simple. Schoen has his flaws for sure. But I’ve watched this team closely for decades and Schoen is the best we’ve had in a very, very long time. And, more importantly, he has a good scouting team and a good system around him, instead of Getty’s filing cabinet of hand scribbled notes and vibes.
Joe doesn’t really do anything dumb, like DG.
But that’s not a declaration of his success.
Wow. If you add both of their win totals together, you would still not equal the number of losses either of them achieved individually. What a couple of shithead losers.
Schone made the brian burns trade. However his hard stuck idea about positional value and just general lack of knowledge when it comes to rookie scouting is insanely bad.
Gettleman has been a good evaluator of talent (dex law, toney despite how it ended had all the tools to become an elite wr but his brain is comparable to Antonio Brown unfortunately, gano was a great kicker at signing, and Andrew Thomas was a pick that was very unsexy and boring and ended up being arguably our most important piece on offense. He also correctly called out that Daniel jones is a better QB than Dwayne haskins. This also leads into gettlemans biggest weakness, cap management. He may know talent but he also over pays for talent. Daniel jones was the 2nd best QB of the class but we could have probably gotten him on day 2 instead of investing a premium pick for him. Gano is a good kicker but we paid too much for a kicker. Then there’s golladay which was arguably the 2nd worst fa of all time after Albert haynesworth.
39-88-1 is diabolical lmao
God we live in hell
Something I wonder is if Daboll would have been better with Gettleman at GM. He made the playoffs with Gettleman roster.
This is legitimately shocking to me. I always saw Gettleman as the absolute worst and thought Schoen was an improvement, even if it was a small one. Seeing them both have nearly identical records really puts Schoen’s failure into perspective
People are forgetting the Jonathan Stewart and Kenny Golladay signings by Gettleman. We paid Golladay like a WR1, 4 years $72 million, he had 44 catches in 2 years and then was out of the league. All time terrible contact.
We gave Stewart a 2 year $6.9 million contract in 2018. He was going into his 11th NFL season. Hadn’t rushed for 1000 yards since 2009. But Gettleman knew him from Carolina. He was on IR and out of the league before October.
Dave Gettleman was an all time idiot and ruined the cap. Joe Schoen is an idiot who fixed the cap.
I need AI to deep dive their drafts, who had bigger busts, flowers and baker vs Neal and Banks is astounding how it happened twice back to back
Both awful but Schoen did inherit Gettlemans team so give some leeway there. He has has also seemingly drafted a franchise QB, WR and RB so set us up better, but he needs to go.
I strongly disagree with the takes here that “Schoen is WAY better than Gettleman”…
Schoen has 1.5 more wins, because of that first season… Which was entirely Gettleman’s roster.
Schoen famously said that his hands were tied the first season because of the cap, so the team he inherited was the team, and only tiny, incremental changes were made.
Ever since Joe has been able to put his “imprint” on the team, it’s been nothing but failure.
Say what you want about Gettleman, he wasn’t any good either, but these two guys are a lot closer than it seems. Schoen just doesn’t use a Wii remote to watch tape.
The best player on this team is AT, who Gettleman got a lot of shit for at the time for drafting.
Every lineman pick Schoen has made is disastrous, except for JMS, who seems to be settling into an average starter at the position—not the HR they were expecting him to be.
Gettleman destroyed the roster, Schoen just hasn’t been able to elevate an already destroyed roster
Gentleman had bad process with decent results. Saquon and Lawrence as a RB and a run-stuffing DT aren’t optimal but they worked out as best as they probably could.
Andrew Thomas has been great and seen as a reach over other tackles. Jones was fine taking a chance on a QB as was the trade to net a first. Toney was a terrible pick but WR is a premium position so it is what it is.
Schoen has had an incredible amount of assets that have not worked out but the process has been solid.
KT and Evan Neal were top ranked DE and LT. Banks as a corner is fine in that spot. Nabers was a pretty obvious pick but he was a can’t miss WR without any top talent around (except Bowers who would’ve ended up being great) so that’s good.
And Carter was similar to Nabers as a guy you have to draft even if he doesn’t work out. I think Carter was actually similar to KT as a tweener who could get pushed off by bigger guys but I also went to PSU and he always looked small to me. But not bad process. Dart was a dart throw which is fine at QB.
Our next GM will win 21 games. We’ll be playoff bound by 2150.
I just realized today that the browns traded for Watson in 2022 and we got Shoen as a Gm around the same time
Watson was $hit , browns did not have first round picks for 2022,23,24 and somehow our record is much worst than the browns
Don’t forget the 1 playoff win with Gettleman’s roster.
s I think, but honestly idk anymore what the hell is happening
1 game and 1 tie better to date
so what i’m seeing is that we are 40 GMs away from being 60-4 through 64 games. cant wait!
I know Schoen assembled the roster, but he’s drafted some pretty safe picks and no-brainers, along with some busts. Nobody bats .1000.
Ownership has also interfered in some crucial decisions. Re-signing and refusing to move on from Daniel Jones, and not letting Barkley seek a trade.
You can’t 100% blame a GM for how the team performs on the field. These guys are pros, being paid millions to perform at the highest level. If they aren’t doing their jobs, you need to find players who will.