Based on Bleacher Reports Trade idea where we get Giannis for Grant, Rob Will, Scoot, the 2028 swap, the 2030 swap and a 2032 frp (Personally I would much rather do Thybulle instead of Rob Will, and we'd probably would have to add the best of the 2029 pick (Milwaukee, Boston and Blazers) and the 2028 Orlando pick. Also I'd try to get GTJ back in the deal for bench depth) (My guess would be Scoot, Grant, Thybulle, 2028+2030 swap, Orl pick, Best of 2029 pick and maybe our 2027 which conveys if we make the playoffs this year or 2031.
The first thing I've seen is that Dame and Giannis did not work well together. This is a factually incorrect take, they were one of the most insane offensive duos of all time, here's some stats. They were the highest scoring duo in the league both years they played together. Became the first duo in NBA history to each record 24+ PPG, 4+ RPG, and 6+ APG in back-to-back seasons. Most games each recording 25+ PTS and 10+ AST by any duo in NBA history. The thing that failed them was the horrible roster building by the Bucks front office. Also the fact is the team isn't Dame and Giannis in Portland, it's Giannis, Deni, Dame and a group of great role players. The leaders after them in minutes per game last season were 36 year old Brook Lopez, Kyle Kuzma, Taurean Prince, Gary Trent Jr, Bobby Portis, AJ Green and Kevin Porter Jr. If we take the hypothetical trade from Bleacher Report and just change Rob Will for Thybulle Portlands leaders in minutes after Giannis would be Deni (26, 7, 6), Toumani Camara (All defensive calibre wing), Jrue Holiday (Giannis former teammate having a great year), Sharpe (Potential man himself, 21, 5, 2), Clingan (All defensive calibre center, better than 36 year old Lopez), Rob Will, Kris Murray, Gary Trent Jr, Blake Wesley with a lucrative buy out market this year with former teammates such as CJ and Middleton.
"Giannis and Deni wouldn't work together", I think this might be based on the traditional views upon these two players, and the fact that both players like to drive the basketball? We play a fast system with drives turning into cuts and open threes, Giannis is the best transition player in basketball. Deni would get fewer drive opportunities because of Giannis that is true but he's also been a really good three point shooter and catch and shoot guy this season and to win a championship you need a number 2 guy to do that. The only issue I see on the offensive side is 3 point shooting which already is an issue for us, that's why you would go and address that in the buyout market or for second rounders, Malik Beasley, CJ, Khris Middleton etc would probably be willing to join their old teammates. Jrue is a great 3 point shooter, Toumani has trended up, Kris Murray has been decent, Sharpe's dumb pull ups drag down his percentage but on catch and shoots he's not THAT bad, Clingan has shot some. Yes it's an issue, but a fixable one. Thunder shot 34% and won the championship. The point is that Giannis and Deni is arguably the best Forward pairing in the league depending on your views on Tatum+JB
Personally I think Dame, Sharpe, Deni, Giannis, Clingan with Jrue, Toumani, Rob Will and some more guys that can shoot 3's efficiently is a contender. And this of course builds on Giannis being open to come here, which I think he could be depending on how he views the talents on this roster, we know he loves Deni's skillset, Jrue and Dame are his close friends, Sharpe, Clingan and Toumani are high upside players with the former two already showing their value. I don't think it's insane to say he could be open to joining us and resigning for two more years. Then we compete for 4 years and if we don't get results he leaves and we still have Deni who's in his prime, Sharpe and Clingan entering theirs, Toumani in his prime and all our future picks in store if we by then haven't made another splash in the market. And the main thing is that we are building up to win games and at least be semi competetive, you don't beat OKC or Spurs by staying still and wasting these few years when we have talent.
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The fact we own some of Milwaukees picks makes gives us a huge advantage in this situation. Also having Jrue is helpful too knowing that he and Giannis play well together. I still don’t know if we would be able to do it though because the Bucks could very well want Deni, and I’m not sure we’d really be a contender without Deni as a second option.
One more topic about Giannis…
I remind that :
– he missed almost every play off games for the last 3 seasons
– he’s a lot injured (again right now)
– he needs shooters around him, that we dont have
– he has a similar game to Avdija
– he should cost us a lot of assets and our future (scoot, sharpe, Bucks picks for example)
Why would we want Giannis coming in Portland ?
If we were able to trade for Giannis and not give up Deni I would do it in a heartbeat.
If they get Giannis and keep Sharpe, I’ll be elated!
Everything except Deni dame and clingan. The rest I don’t think much on it:. Even Shaedon and scoot
The Giannis injury woes concern me. He’s dealt with something for the past four years now, including a scary one on their championship run that him playing through might have caused some long-term issues. Also I highly doubt they take any trade that doesn’t include Deni.
Deni in two years might actually be a better player than what’s left of Giannis in two years. Those Bucks picks are worth gold right now based on the trajectory of their team. We couldn’t have asked for a better outcome.
Let it bake!
Giannis needs shooters, so he would be a very bad fit for Portland.
Portland should keep the bucks picks to add young, talented players on rookie contracts.
You don’t want to make the playoffs for just the next 1–3 years, you want to make it every year for the next 8 years.
I wouldn’t do it. Unless we can somehow acquire some shooters and keep Scoot. You aren’t a contender with Giannis surrounded by zero shooting and no point guard.
Not sure I want Giannis.
Don’t get me wrong, Giannis is a top 25 player of all time, and in my opinion the second best player in
the NBA, only behind Jokic.
But I feel like Giannis, first of all will not sign with us (renew his contract).
And I think we can get a younger and better guard to go along with Deni.
Or a good stretch 5, and have DC come off the bench to facilitate the defense in the second team.
Also Giannis is injury prone lately, and I don’t want an AD situation here.
the picks from the Bucks are too good (and yes, Giannis will be out of the bucks by then 100%.
IMO it will be a mistake to get Giannis (if he’s even available to us).
Hell naw
Swap sharpe for scoot. Need a pg long term either way, and I’m tired of watching Sharpe be one of the highest usage players in the league while also being one of the most inefficient
If what windhorst said is true that giannis gets to choose which team he’s gonna get traded to, then he ain’t gonna choose the blazers.
He said himself he wants all the big superstars to be in a big market team.
Bucks can get real shit from other teams. They never.
I’d help scoot pack
What in the delulu hulu with ads is going on in this thread
They’re going to want Camara too…
Milwaukee laughs at that
The only way I would trade for Giannis is if it involved Sharpe/Scoot + Picks and other players. If it took Deni, Clingan, Toumani, Dame, Jrue I think thats a pass.