How Does Sending Sam Rinzel & Landon Slaggert to Rockford ALTER Chicago’s Lineup? | CHGO Blackhawks

The Blackhawks are back home in Chicago and had an intense practice today. We’ll hear from Jeff Flashel, Connor Bard, Andre Burikovski and more. And we will talk about Sam Renzel and Landon Slager going Rockford. Lots to come on CHGL Blackhawks. [Music] [Applause] [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] [Music] Happy Tuesday from the greatest city in the world, Chicago. We’re talking about this is the CHDO Blackhawks podcast. Thanks for being here. We are presented by Bet 365. Download the Bet 365 app. Use our code choo365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it’s never ordinary at Bet365. I’m Jay Zawoski with Mario Tbasi. Khloe is here running the show. We’ve got a lot to get to today. Jeff Flashel, Connor Bard, you spoke with Andre Burkovski on a side. Um is back at practice. Cabinets. Cabinets and wheels, baby. Love that band. Yeah. Yeah. There’s a lot to get to today. So, do us a favor. Do your part and hit that like button for us. And be sure to be subscribed to our YouTube page as well. And if you’re catching up later on your favorite podcast app, you could follow or subscribe there as well. Turn on those notifications so you know when episodes drop. And if you got a few minutes, some charity in your heart from this holiday season, a fivestar review on Apple Podcast and or Spotify would go a really, really long way. We’d appreciate that big time. Uh let’s get right to it. The news of the day, uh actually was news yesterday. Hey, Renzel and Slagger sent down, but Nick Felino was practicing on his own uh today on the West rank, right? Yes, the West rank. Um did not participate in the full practice. Um but is getting closer. And Dominic Toninado is here. He was the recall. Um so that’s the development since we last spoke. And uh Jeff Flashel talked about all of it today. So why don’t we hear from him and then we’ll jump off from what he had to say. Uh coming up next, saw Nick Fino getting some skating in uh on the other rink and uh positive sign and and how much closer is he to uh to getting back? He’s closer. I mean, I don’t want to put a time li on it right now, but uh you know, it’s good that he’s skating. Um I think as it gets closer to being, you know, a potential to get back in, I’ll let you guys know. But right now, I think it’s good he’s skating. I think it’s uh you know, the pro the healing process has gone well. and um you know he’s obviously itching to get in uh sooner than later, but we’re still a little ways away. What what was the message of Renzo sending him down? Um message was one, you know, this is a really hard league if you start to struggle to kind of gain traction and so um go down get your swagger with the puck back. um get put in situations, get, you know, hopefully uh you know, get time on the power play um more than he was getting here uh and get that swagger with the puck and then uh continue to improve defensively. Um making sure, you know, kind of some of the technique of how to defend low with uh with uh the size of his body. He’s not the strongest guy, so he’s got to learn how to defend really smart with his stick. Kind of one hand, two hands, knocking guys off balance, and not getting into physical confrontations where he’s hugging and then making sure uh that he does a good job that way. So, just, you know, improving some of the techniques defensively and then get your swagger back. I think it’s a great opportunity for him. Presumably, you’ll have to start going 12 and six now. How will that affect the other defenseman? Um, well, we hope, you know, we hope good. I mean, we’ve run 11 and seven for a long time. Um, you know, for a multitude of reasons and and you know, this goes we we’ll we’ll we’ll work back towards 12 and six. And you know, does that help uh some other guys get some more minutes? Does it help their own personal development? Maybe. You know, we’ll see. We’re hoping that that this is a win-win for everybody. And Sam can go down and and and improve his game and and get his swagger back and some of the guys that are here, you know, like a guy like Arty can potentially play some more minutes. um uh in some different situations and get to a little more set partners. So, where do you feel the confidence is in the room right now? Um well, you know, it’s it’s one of those things obviously you get, you know, you you get, you know, outscored very handily over two games. The last game we got crushed, you know, the game against LA was a different game. Those that weren’t out there, I didn’t feel the way after LA the way I felt after Anaheim. Uh, you know, I thought once it went bad in LA, it just kept going on the net and it but before that I thought it was fine. Um, actually thought we started good. You know, where’s the confidence at? Confidence is a is a is a fickle thing and and so you have to earn your confidence back. You know, like I I’d be lying if I said, “Oh, we’re going to go out there and play with this Unreal swagger and it’ll be we’re going to go out there and have a good first shift and and then have a good second shift and you kind of earn your, you know, your your confidence back.” could also say that it was one game, you know, and it’s it’s not our guys have rebounded from this before. Um I think our guys confidence is totally fine, but I also would say, you know, you don’t want to let u you know, bad outings build on top of each other. So, let’s nip that in the bud. That doesn’t mean you’re going to win. It means you want to play great hockey. What do you hope to achieve with practice today? Excuse me. What do you hope to achieve with the practice today? Well, um part is is making sure um probably fund some some fundamentals fundamentally uh fundamental defending. Like when you don’t have your legs like we clearly did in Anaheim, you you know, one of the things you can do well is defend, but you have to be fundamentally good at defending. And I still think that’s something we can get better at. So, you know, we were in a lot of angle situations one-on-one low, a threeon-ree low where you you want to make sure, you know, from a defensive standpoint, uh, you know, how to position your body, you know, how to use your stick. Um, those types of things that then build into a a bigger thing. Um, you know, offensively, uh, how to hold on to the puck so you can spend more time in the ozone when you when you have those situations and then build that into DZone. What do you think uh Tony N’s role role will be with the team here? Well, right now I can’t say that he’ll start, you know, in the lineup tomorrow night or tomorrow night. So, you know, we’ll kind of play that out, but he is a guy who can play center. He can give us some of those, I would say, fourthline minutes as a center. Gives us gives us some flexibility there. Um, you know, so we’ll see where we’ll see where it goes. Uh, uh, he’s a good pro, that’s for sure. Uh, I like having him around. He’s a good pro. I know you guys only have two wins in the last 10 games, but the fact that you’re still right there in the playout conversation, is that an encouraging sign where it’s not a stretch like this has played yourself totally out of playing meaningful games for this group? Yeah, I mean, that’s kind of the way the league’s kind of been this year. It feels like teams go on kind of different runs and we went on a run where we got a lot of points and and then we went on a run where we didn’t get as many points and and you know, you got to kind of get yourself back on a run, but we’re we’re in the mix of that. Um, you know, my my focus is I couldn’t even have told you we were two and 10 to be dead honest with you. There must be some two something and one in there, but I won’t that’s the uh that’s the NHL math. Um, but honestly, I didn’t I wouldn’t even know like I’m more worried about us getting better on a day-to-day basis. Obviously, we took a step back against Anaheim and we need to take step forward here today. I thought we did it today and we need to do it again tomorrow. All right, that’s Jeff Washel. So, here were your lines today at practice. Badard, Green, Burakovski, Nazar, Bertusi, Moore, Dickinson, Terraine, and McKay, Donado, Doc, and Laferdy with Toninado as the extra. Your D pairs were Grizzlick and Levinov, Wasik and Crevier, Kaiser, and Murphy. So, that’s what it’s going to look like tomorrow night uh when the Rangers come to town in their blue jerseys, which is very exciting. Nice. Blue on red tomorrow at the UC. Good match up. So, that’ll be great. So, yeah. Uh Tonado is the call up. Uh and he’s really, it feels like just here to be a body. um if you’re gonna call up uh you know Nick Artis or something he’s gonna play in your top six. I don’t think they want to make a change in the top six right now. So Tonado just kind of comes in and fills in as that 13th guy. Yeah. And it it makes me feel like um I mean I I think you want a guy like Slagert to be playing. He’s still young. Yeah. I feel like the organization probably feels like they still could get something out of him if they give him the opportunity to play those minutes. So, uh, he’ll get a chance to do that in Rockford, Toninado. Um, not a he’s he’s not a journeyman, but he kind of feels like a that he would fit that mold other than the fact that he’s only been on, you know, what, two teams. Um, but he’s one of those guys that’s like three teams. three teams. This is his fourth. This is his fourth. Colorado, Florida, Winnipeg, Chicago. All right. Well, then, yeah, sure. Sure. Yep. Journeyman. Um, but he’s like that 4A type player where it’s just like if you put him in and you got to play him eight minutes, fine. Um, but he’s he’s just one of those guys that if he’s here, he’s probably sitting most games, right? So, it’s and and you’re not invested in him giving you much in the NHL. So, that’s a guy that you’re fine with sitting. Um, probably just waiting for Nick Felino to be healthy again. Um, and and in the lineup, which it seems like, you know, it’s probably going to be just a few few more days for Felino with the fact that, you know, he was he’s I believe he’s been skating. He could be continued to skating, keep his conditioning up. It’s just now kind of getting back to the stick handling, getting right, you know, being able to to to get that feeling back with after the the the wrist injury. Um, you know, handling the puck, shooting, feeling the, you know, the pressure and and physicality of the game again, just kind of getting back that back ramped up. Um, probably does it over a few days and who knows, maybe by Saturday he might be ready to go. We, you know, we we’ll see how it goes. But just seems like that’s the guy that you tanado is the that’s the guy you have as the extra. Slagger gets to play. Makes a lot of sense uh to me to make for that reason to make the move. I was just I I think I was just more expecting them to if they were going to make a a call up that it would be another defenseman. Like maybe they maybe they still bring up Tonado too, but I I honestly thought like Kevin Cinsky or Dash or Allen would be coming up too because yeah, you’re going to run with six defenseman, but still like you kind of need to feel like you have the extra body. Well, they are at home. They can get an extra body very very quickly. Um so, you know, they’re not you’re not able to sub somebody in obviously if they get hurt tomorrow. You can’t just go grab Kevin Ginski out of the press box. So I think the thought is we’re these are our six defenseman right now. You know, Grizzlick, Levan, Vassic, Krevier, Kaiser, Murphy, whoever we call up is not going to play Wednesday. So unless we need that extra defenseman, we’re not going to call them up right now because whoever it might be, they’re going to sit. So I kind of understand it. Um, no, look, of course, if somebody goes down, they can reconsider it. I I have I have a good amount of faith in how they have chosen to develop their prospects. You know, it’s if they don’t feel like Nicolis is ready and they don’t feel like Kevin Kinsky is ready to come in here and play every night, there’s really no point in calling them up if they’re not going to be in a lineup. So, fine. Like, let’s let it play out. I think both those guys are going to get opportunities maybe even before the new year, but definitely this season. So there’s if if they already know these are six defenseman, there’s no point in Kevin Kchinsky coming up here, taking the drive, watching the game from the press box, eating the popcorn, and then just sitting. I I guess there could be some benefit to practicing with the team, but you know, I I I feel like they’ve got a pretty good they’ve got a pretty good plan in mind here, and I think they want to get Rockford some success here. It has not been a great little stretch for them. And by having Renzel there and Slagert and Cortinsky and Lardis, it makes the team significantly better. Mhm. So, the fact that it’s Tony tells me that they’re not planning on changing their rosters from what we basic from what we rattled off, from what we saw in practice, they just need bodies to fill the roster spot. Yeah. Um Yeah. And and I think Blashel is is laying out, you know, if you go through the bodies that they had, the guys that they had here, you wanted to play all seven defenseman. Now with going back to a more traditional 12 and six lineup, you can have a little bit more of that regularity where your forward obviously you can still mix and match as the game goes on, but you kind of have more of that uniformity with your forward lines and your defensive pairs. And while we while we saw some benefits to having the opportunity to kind of swap through players and maybe get other guys um you know matchup wise you know forward line groups together you know you give Colton Doc and Oliver Moore chances to play with Connor Bard rather than just keeping it green Bard Burkovski. Um but now you can kind of have that more you know steady rotation. and you don’t have to have defensive pairs switching. Every time they’re over they’re over the boards, they have a different partner. Like you can have a little bit more of that familiarity across the lineup. And we’ll see how how it works out. And as Blash pointed out, like you give a guy like Ardum Levchenov now some more opportunity to play some more minutes because you’re not rotating it with seven guys. So, um that’ll be interesting to see how how it plays out over the course of however long they’re going to go to this. um whether it’s when Sam Renzel is played well enough to come back, gets his swagger back and comes back to um Chicago and maybe they they go through the seven defenseman uh setup again or if this is now just going to be what they roll with. Maybe they go on a streak and they don’t go back to 11 and seven just because 12 and six starts working. We’ll see how it goes. But yeah, uh it’ll be a nice change of pace to kind of see how the team responds to it. Uh Merrick W in the chat says there’ll be less tired players. That’s a bit of a misconception about the 11 and seven because if you look at the average time on ice for the Blackhawks this year, the leader is Alex Vic at 2114. No one on this team is averaging over 20 minutes besides Vic and Bard. Kaiser’s at 1919, Tavo 1905, Nazar 19. It’s been a really even distribution. So, I don’t think that the 11 and seven was doing anything to wear these guys out. If anything, it’s giving I think you’re going to see some average ice times go up for some guys here now. Yeah, because they don’t have you’re going to see like like uh like Blashel said, you’ll see more minutes for Ardum Lefchnov. You’ll see more minutes maybe for uh Louis Creier even. Maybe he wants to see him in more situations. It’s going to be interesting to see who takes the power play two spot too. 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If you want to watch that Patrick Kane game, you can do it on CHSN on Saturday. And now it is time for Taking the Temp presented by your trusted local experts at Four Seasons Heating, Air Conditioning, Plumbing, and Electric. Visit Fourseasonsh Heatingcooling.com for all their special offers and money-saving coupons. That’s four seasonasons heatingcooling.com. Uh the temp at practice today was warm, hot, spicy. Jeff Flashel was more involved in today’s drills than I think I’ve seen since training camp where he would stop something from happening, insert himself to the middle of the ice and say, it’s hard to hear what he was saying, but just very deliberately coaching this is why we do this because if we don’t do this, we’re doing this. Boom. Do it again. And there were a couple instances where the team that lost a drill would have to go back, touch the boards, come back. It was about a 45minute practice, but every drill was intense. Every drill was fast and with purpose. And uh he was very much involved with the handling of practice where a lot of times you’ll see the head coach kind of observe and he’ll bring them to the bring them to the wall, show them on the board what the drill is, dismiss them, and then are off to do it. And he’ll chime in now again. He’ll blow the whistle. This time he was stopping things, really getting involved. Then as he said earlier in the show, if you miss it, like it was all about getting back to basics because one of the lessons we’ve seen this team learning, the big loss to Buffalo was on a backto-back. The big loss Anaheim was a backto-back, right? So this team has to learn how to play when they’re not feeling 100% healthwise, physically, when their legs aren’t really there. Um and what he said was we got to go back to basics and learn and recap these fundamentals because look you can say well yeah young players have played backtobacks before and of course but guys like Renzel and Levchanov and and Nazar etc whenever they would play and not have their best they were still the best players on the ice by a significant margin. So just their natural ability was able to kind of carry them through rougher nights where they were just better and faster and bigger and stronger. Now that it’s an even playing field for these guys, they’ve got to learn how to cope with that at the NHL level. And I overheard Frank Nazar talking to WGN today about that very thing is just learning how to deal with the day-to-day grind of an NHL season. And I think that’s where Jeff Flashel’s mindset was for this practice today. Yeah, I mean that’s been the the that’s been the narrative for this team. uh every time that they’ve faced some adversity, every time there’s been a you know, a performance that wasn’t uh up to the standard, it’s it’s, you know, the the lesson that they’re trying to to learn is figuring out that this this the NHL is tough and you got a lot of players um who this is their first season or their first opportunity to play a full NHL season or even a full professional season. Sam Renzel, uh, even though he played last year, has never played a season where you’re playing 82 games. Oliver Moore has never played in a season where you’re playing 82 games. Um, you know, Frank Nazar, last year he was he was a rookie. This is his first 82 NHL game schedule that he’ll be facing. So, it’s it’s a lot of getting used to the the daily procedure of of that and what’s expected of you physically and mentally and and and how you’re going to handle that. And um that’s that’s where having some of the veterans that they do um is is a big uh addition and a big plus. Uh you have Nick Fino, Conor Murphy, Jason Dickinson, guys that have been around for a long time. Um, you want those guys to be able to be players that the young guys can lean on for, you know, examples or advice. Um, but you also want to have those guys be able to kind of, you know, your Tavos and your Buzzi’s um, and Burkovski, like you want those guys to be able to be like, okay, the young guys are, you know, for whatever reason, they they don’t have it tonight. They’re in a, you know, they’re hitting a wall mentally or physically or something. and they don’t have their their agame, but those guys have been through it before. You want them to be able to kind of pull their their rope at that time. They just don’t have a lot of really vocal veterans. I mean, Tavo is super quiet. Bertusi is kind of a lone wolf out there. kind of, you know, I think I think Bertusi does a lot for the team that no one else sees besides the team because the the way uh Blashel talks about him, the way uh Frank is Nazar has talked about him. Um it seems like all his teammates love and rave about him. So what we don’t see, I think, is what Tyler Bertusi does. And what we do see is well I think you also see him playing his ass off every shift too and like doing all the little things. But in terms of a guy to be like hey let’s like I I can even notice at practice when Felo is not there versus when Felo is there there’s a different kind of a jump there. He just has this he is the guy who is going to speak up. he is the guy who’s going to be vocal and verbally encourage guys to go and he can find a way to bring that energy when it’s not there. I think it is something that this team has missed a little bit and I’d be anxious to hear, you know, when he returns kind of how how the players say like, wow, you know, I don’t know if they will say this, but I’d be interested to see if they do acknowledge that boy, maybe he was a maybe he’s got a bigger influence than we thought because it just things just seem a little sleepier without him there. But it could just be it also could just be the grind of the season, right? Right. and you have the early season uh vibes and mojo going and then you go on a road trip that doesn’t go great and you come home and it’s a little h, you know, you’re in you’re in the dog days of the season now. So, I don’t know if it’s all Felino, but I do think they miss him more than any of us really expected. Yeah, definitely. and and the the vocal leadership, the uh I I feel like he’s just a guy that has a good knack for keeping uh a room together and uh and the guys engaged. So you subtract that from the equation and that makes things a little bit uh different. But I think you still have enough you still have enough guys that you can say like Nick Felino shouldn’t at least at least in the case losing Nick Fo shouldn’t be the losing the heart and soul of the team. Like you still should have a lot of guys that are around that can kind of carry that that load. And we’ve seen Conor Bard’s been put in a leadership role since Nick Felino’s been been gone. um and seeing how he’s, you know, adapted to that and grown with that. Um so that’s I mean I mean that’s another that’s another factor to it is just like we talk about like these young guys being able to to step in take up more space and more more air in the locker room. Um, so they so if they’re going to do that, if they’re going to, you know, start taking over the the the team and being the faces of the franchise, like they’re going to have to learn those lessons and and actually put into practice the I don’t have my A game, so here is my B game and this is how I’m going to affect the game, even if I’m not going on the score sheet. Like you have to be able to find that and have these efforts that don’t snowball into you lost 6 nothing, you lose 7-1, then it’s oh my gosh, like the wheels are falling off and you know then then you know all this momentum that you’ve had to start the season just kind of goes out the door. Well, we got a chance to hear from Connor Bernard who you mentioned and he didn’t seem overly concerned. Here he is after practice today with the Assembled Media. for good to be home after uh what was a tough weekend for you guys and just how do you flip the page after backto-back losses like that? Um yeah, just kind of come in here and um watch video and get a good practice and you know I think the beauty of it is we we play tomorrow and uh the beauty of that if we win you guys will forget about it all and we’ll be the best team ever again. So um we just got to go in tomorrow and have a good game and um get back on track. Did you seen the video? between two specifically. Um I think just kind of little little things, little battles. I thought, you know, they they won a lot of battles, especially uh you know, Sunday. And uh you know, I think Blash just kind of said it. We got to you know, maybe we’re not feeling it. Our legs are a little tired. We got to figure out how to outsmart that and um be in right positions and uh win our battles and just play a little different game. So um that’s something we’re learning and um you know, I think I think we’ll be fine though. be able to bounce back against the Rangers. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, it’s uh you get another opportunity tomorrow and um you know, you don’t want to ever happen uh what happened, but it happened and uh you know, we move on. We go in tomorrow and it’s a new day and uh we go we go get a win. Conor, what do you know about those guys, the Rangers? What do they do with it? Uh honestly, not much. Um they obviously got a lot of talented players. Uh I I don’t know how they play or anything yet. We’ll obviously, you know, go over that tomorrow as a group and uh but we know they got a lot of highend skills, so we got to be aware of that. Does adversity help you guys learn more about yourselves and what you have to do next time? I think it can. Yeah, I think that’s how you got to look at it. Um you know, you can sulk on it or you can, you know, learn from it and um get better. And I mean, every team gets blown out here and there and obviously that was a terrible weekend and we we never want that to happen. But um just learn from it, move on and um get back to our game. Just talking and you mentioned maybe the structure hasn’t been there as much recently as it was when you guys were rolling a little bit. Is that something you’ve seen as well and how do you kind of get back to that? I think so. I mean, I think we’ve done good things, too, in the last, you know, maybe a little slide for us, 10 games, whatever it’s been. Uh, we’ve had the two or three, I guess, three blowouts, but other than that, it’s been a lot of tight games, couple OT’s, and um but yeah, we we just got to kind of stick to what what we are and what we do best. And uh then we’ll be fine. We’re we’re a good team and um you know, we’re going to you’re going to put that behind us and we’re going to go show we’re a good team. What you were asked about this on the road about uh like being part of the Canadian roster uh for the Olympics here. Just what are your thoughts right now on where that stands and your hopes? No thoughts. Uh you know, I’m just just playing hockey every day. I’m trying to help the Blackhawks. I’m not worried about that. Um right now, uh you know, all I can do is is play my game and try to help us win hockey games and whatever happens there happens. So, uh you know, I think everyone says it. There’s millions of amazing players in Canada and uh we’re so lucky for that and they could go any which way with who they take and have a you know stack team. So uh I’m just trying to play my game and and help us win and uh yeah see what happens there. All right, there he is. Connor Bard uh doesn’t seem too worried and uh took a little shot at the media there. I hope the fans seem to enjoy. I hope someone finds that clip and they do that thing on on social media where they make a graphic that’s the picture of Baddard and the big headline underneath it says no thoughts. No thoughts. Use that for a lot of hockey players. We could do that. Yeah, but he had some thoughts. We should do that. He did have thoughts. No thoughts. But here’s two. Several minutes of thoughts on this very very topic. Um yeah, I think I think it’s funny though that our chat’s like, “Yeah, take that media. Have you been here for a postgame show? About what? That when Bard said, “Oh, we’re gonna win again.” And then you you’ll think we’re the best team in the world again. Like, yeah, shots fired at the media. Join us for a postgame show after a win and after a loss and tell me if that was only aimed at the media. Sure, cuz I don’t think so. All right, we’re going to hit the brakes. When we come back, uh, Mario got a chance to catch up with Andre Burikovski. I have not heard this. I am very interested. We’ll play it next on CHGO Blackhawks presented by Bet 365. Hey, if you missed it, we here at CHGO have brand new hats available for purchase. Some of them are from Branded Bills. Some of the best hats that I’ve ever worn are from B branded Bills. 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What do we No, no, I never said that. Well, I thought you liked him. The reason I like him is because he played for the ABS and they won the Stanley Cup. So, all right. Wow. He’s just So, you hate Burkoski now? No. No. That’s what I heard. No, I I I’m going to make a graphic of Chloe’s face and the headline’s going to say hates Burkovski. I didn’t say that. Chloe, when asked if she liked Andre Burkosski. I didn’t say that. I never said that. Quote graphic. All right. Well, let’s hear from him. What? What was the uh just you and him, right? We Yeah, it’s couple of dudes being dudes. Yeah, just guys being dudes talking hockey. Take it away, Andre. Wanted to ask just about, you know, obviously the the the way the road trip uh ended those last few games. Like, how do you kind of balance how it started with the game against Vegas, the first game against LA, and then you have the the the back to back? How do you kind of balance out that result? Uh I mean I I think we start off the road pretty good. Uh should probably have the one with the win against Vegas and we played a good game. Uh good win against LA. Um and then I mean two tough ones. I mean like we’ve been saying here before, this is an everyday league. uh every day you got to be on top of a game because if you’re a little bit off that that’s kind of what happens what happened up against LA in the second game and uh and Anaheim so I just I think I think we’re a little bit we were a little bit off in our game and and it shows right away. I mean uh these games in these leagues are so incredible tight. uh if you don’t have it that day most of the times it’s it’s going to notice on on the ice that other teams can take over and create more and get more chances. So um I think we I think we wanted to work hard in both those games and I think we did but it’s just that we we didn’t work very smart. We’ve heard Blash’s kind of talked about that not having your your your A game but still being able to put a put together a B game that’s effective. Like what goes into that as as a player? No, I I mean just like I said, if if you don’t have your legs and you don’t have maybe the puck feeling that you want or um maybe the instincts that you usually have, then then you’re going to find something else in your game that going to help the team win. That could be playing simple or make mistakes. Uh for check, win trying to win some battles. Uh play good defense. Uh block shots. I mean there there’s 100 ways to contribute when you when you’re not feeling it in your game. And that’s something I think we we just need to learn as a group. And if you don’t have it, you can figure out ways to to still win and and still get it done. How do you feel about, you know, the the response with a practice like today? Seems like you guys are doing a lot of battle drills and just trying to like keep the intensity up. No, I think it’s what we needed. I mean, we we didn’t show up for the last two games and then I mean, we put that behind. We put the work in in today and we get better and and we compete and that’s what we did today. So, all right. There he is. Andre Burkovski. Good stuff. I I we it’s I feel like we haven’t really gotten to know him very well. He’s in that little corner where no one goes. Yeah. His his stall is like right next to the Well, it’s the entrance door. To Creier and Burkovski have that corner. Yeah. Yeah. In the in the practice uh facility. Where’s he sitting? the uh in the team room. Um at the UC he is Oh, okay. He’s by uh he’s also close to the to the door in the team room, but it’s on the opposite side of the room. He’s by uh McKay and Donado. Another uh Well, Donado is chatty. Yes, Donado is talking to somebody, whether it’s media or other Hawks personnel. Uh he’s talking to somebody every every morning skate. So but yeah. No, he’s he’s Yeah, I think we’ll uh just kind of getting to know him as he’s been here. Um getting more comfortable talking with them. Like it’s it’s just, you know, just building a little bit of a relationship is, you know, peel back the curtain for from the media side of things. like some of these some of these guys you kind of feel out like who’s who is more chatty and who’s you know maybe like like I I think people know you’re not going to go to Tavo every day and get something no from him and I’m sure he doesn’t appreciate talking every day. So especially today where he looked like he had chipmunk face from the uh well yeah he took a puck in he took a puck in the face. Um, and then you know some guys you you you figure out, okay, they’re always pretty open, willing to talk, give you something good. Um, so yeah, I feel like I feel like Burkovsky’s could be that guy. Just haven’t really gotten the the the chance to uh open that up with him yet. Most reliable good quotes, Felino, Dickinson, Donado, Murphy, Blic. I think that would Yeah, Nazar is pretty good. That’s six people. That’s not the whole team. Six, right? How about seven? Am I missing anybody? That one time we got to talk to T tower Batuzzi. That was good. Uh yeah, I don’t think he expected that. I didn’t get out of here quickly enough. Yeah. Who else? Yeah, that’s I mean that’s that’s pretty solid. Yeah, that’s a pretty solid group. Dickinson is when he’s in the mood, he’s great. He’ll always come with to you with something very insightful. Um even when he’s not in a great mood, he’ll usually that that’s sometimes when Well, sometimes just like not today. That’s Yeah, he has he has done that to me. Monitoring himself, which is smart. Yeah, guys can do that. Um but our friend Brooke was uh I could hear when we were talking to Bedard, I could hear her conversation with him and she’s working on something about faceoffs with him and it sound really really interesting. So insightful stuff. Yeah. From Dickson. Definitely. Uh we definitely want to get to the uh the player polls that the Athletic published. There’s some there’s some interesting and funny stuff on there. So, we’re going to do that on the uh next segment. But some people are asking Chloe, why are you an Avalanche fan? Do you want to introduce yourself formally? How could you possibly be an Avalanche fan? I was born there. She’s born in Denver. You can elaborate to give like the life story. So, Chloe wouldn’t be someone we go to in the locker room if we’re getting one answer. Yeah, obviously I’m from Denver obviously and uh pokes deep. Tell what’s your story? I wasn’t born in Chicago and then all of a sudden became a fan of the Colorado Avalanche. I was born there and I didn’t work at DNVR. I worked at like one of their local competitors and then I moved on over here and it was a very fast process and you just decided one day you were coming to Chicago and six days later had a job. Yep. And now it’s been a month. A little over a month. It’s awesome. Well, we’re very glad Khloe’s here. Yes. It’s very good hockey fan, awesome uh producer, creates really good stuff. So, thanks. You know, we’re happy she’s here. Yay. We’re glad you’re here. And when you’re bringing your Denver knowledge with you. Yeah. I mean, it it doesn’t relate much. It does, though, does it? Yeah. Yeah. It’s always always good to have more hockey fans on staff when you Now there’s three of us. I mean, there’s other hockey fans in the in the CHO world. Yeah. In this office, Hog Hog is a big hockey fan. Told me that that’s why he liked me because I liked hockey. Okay, cool. That’s nice. Yeah. Yeah. Um, who else? Patrick Norton knows his Hawks. Yeah, Patrick does. Sean’s always asking about him. Sean, he wants to stay on top of it. Kevin Kevin’s a Hawks fan. Jake is is always interested. Jake is the biggest sports fan I know. He’s He’s up there. He has like a Chicago sports fandom like a middle schooler. And I mean that in the best way. Yes. Like he is just so enthusiastic. He’s still trying to buy fatheads. That’s how much of a sports fan he is. Um Yeah. Yeah. We I mean, look, I feel like if you’re working here, you like sports. Yeah. Yes. I would hope so. I would hope so. Um and and and yeah, the Blackhawks are a team that you know, hockey is something that uh it’s it’s it’s a niche sport for the diehard fan community, but it’s definitely something that I feel like if you’re just a general sports fan, you can turn on a hockey game and be entertained and people can gravitate towards that. They might not do it 82 games a year, but especially playoff time, you see how many people actually like, whoa, I love watching hockey. This is crazy. We’re going to have the Olympics in in two months in theory, uh, with with the with the NHL participation. And, you know, you think back to 2010 and 14 and and how much that generated a lot of uh, you know, interest in in in the sport in the modern modern day. So, um, yeah, I’m I’m I’m I’m convinced we have a lot more people that know about the Hawks than you might think. What were you going to say, Chloe? I mean, not in I just that’s what I tell all of my friends because a lot of my friends don’t watch hockey. It’s just like just turn on a game and watch and you’ll be entertained. How good of friends can they be if they don’t watch? Not Not great. Well, I think it’s one of those sports, too, where when you watch it at the highest level, Stanley Cup final, I I mean, the Four Nations was a huge success. People bars were shown and people got into it very, very quickly. So, when people see it played at the highest level, I I I compare it all. There’s always a surge when the World Cup comes around in soccer. Yeah. Where new soccer fans are born and some remain lifelong soccer fans and some fall off until the next World Cup. But it’s always kind of gathering and growing that snowball and hockeyy’s kind of doing it too by going back to the Olympics. That’s a really good thing. Yeah. And it feels like just kind of reading some stuff lately maybe they’re kind of just being like you better make sure this ice is good or we’re not coming almost as a threat to say make sure this is handled. It’s like Van Halen with the brown brown M&M’s. You know this. Do you know this? Yes. No. Do you know Van Halen? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Sarah would not. They had it in their riders, you know, like a concert writers. So, like, we need this many towels, this many things that are responsible with everything. And they said, “We need a jar of M&M’s, but no brown M&M’s.” And it was what they did to um make sure that the list was read thoroughly. Oh. It wasn’t like, “We don’t like brown M&Ms, so take them out.” But it was to make sure that every instruction was followed to a te, detail oriented, and that’s So, there you go. Well, it’s like the the the test. I don’t know if you guys had these tests when you were in school, but the first question would be like the instructions would read like if you’re reading this right now, stop and put your pencil down and don’t complete the rest of the test. And then people would get done with the whole thing and realize that if they had just read the instructions, then they wouldn’t have to do the test at all. That happened to me once. Yes. It would happen to you. Never had that happen to me. Oh, yeah. No, I I I went to school not to be a social experiment. I went to school to to learn numbers and words and look how good it did. Yeah. And here we are podcasting. I don’t even think that was the right use of that sentence. Look how good it did. Yeah, that’s okay. Yeah, you’ll get there. Stay stay in school, kids. I need to know what what this comment means. Which comment? Says, “As long as she doesn’t act like a typical Colorado fan.” I don’t even know what a typical Colorado I don’t have an opinion of a typical Colorado like Yeah. They they wear their beanies and they go to the dispensaries and then they go and watch sports. Well, that’s all true. What? Yeah. Well, and you know what you can do in Chicago? Wear a beanie and go to a dispensary and watch sports. Yeah. They just have more mountains than we do here. That’s true. Yeah. And rock lawns. Thinner air. Didn’t enjoy that. Yeah. I I did I don’t think I noticed the Oh, the air is thin. I don’t think I noticed that at all when we were in Denver. Yeah, it wasn’t that bad. It affects people. I also wasn’t physically exerting myself when I was there. So, that’s true. Well, you don’t have to even be exerting yourself to feel it. It’s just like walking around. Maybe I’m impervious to thin air. That must be it. You are. 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I found it interesting out of the 110 responses that of course the overwhelming majority was the Edmonton Oilers, but as you see here on your screen and as you uh would see reading the story in the Athletic uh done by many athletic staff writers, uh the Blackhawks are tied for fourth. Yep. uh behind the Oilers, the Maple Leafs, Rangers, and tied with the Vegas Golden Knights at a 4 and a half% chance. Um, okay. I’ll, you know, amongst the the NHL players uh and their opinions of what might happen with with McDavid, I take this as a bit of a temperature on what players in the league kind of think about Chicago for maybe even themselves because if they think a guy like Conor McDavid feels like he would choose to go to Chicago, what’s to say they wouldn’t? Well, here’s the quote from the anonymous player who said this about the Blackhawks and Conor McDavid. It says, “It depends on many things. The way it’s going now, I think he might go.” So, that indicates to me that the league is recognizing that the Blackhawks have taken a turn for the better and that they’ve got a lot of good young players on the horizon and they’re seeing what Conor Bedard is doing this year and to a lesser extent Nazar Lev etc. and are saying, “Oh, just like Marian Hosy did when he was chasing cups.” Said, “My chance at a cup, Pittsburgh, Detroit.” No, you know what? Chicago, this is going to be the next big thing and that’s where I’m going. And he got three. So, the league is taking notice of this. And I will say like it depends on who you talk to in the league. Some guys are just very focused on their own thing, but there like Bedard is a guy who I think is really big on what’s going on around the league. There’s a bunch of guys in the Hawks room. So, some players are really up on what’s happening and and the Hawks are turning some heads. That’s what this tells me. Yeah. I I mean, sure, sample size, four and a half% out of 110 people is five people. Sure. Like that doesn’t sound like a big number, but if you would have done this last year, which I’m sure they did actually now thinking about it because McDavid was coming up on an extension time, but um if you if you asked this question last year, I’m I’m not certain you’re going to get five people to say Chicago in the in the in the same hole. I I I I I think there it just kind of represents a little bit more of a growing sense of what is happening here. And we’ve had it with the conversations about, you know, Quinn Hughes over the last couple of days and, you know, talking about, well, the Blackhawks cap space timeline, you know, crop of prospects. Yeah. The crop uh the desiraability to to to come to Chicago and be a part of it, I think is, you know, around the league is is starting to become um more attractive. So, if you’re listening on audio, the top team was Edmonton 56.4%, 4% Toronto with 10%, the Rangers with 8.2, and the Hawks and Knights with 4.5%. So, you know, it feels like Toronto, the Rangers, and the Gold Knights are always in on everyone. Yeah, sure. Rumor-wise, right? So, that’s that’s part of it. Um, but to see the Hawks up there uh in the top five is encouraging. And look, I it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. I think it’s pretty unlikely, but no, like you said, Mario, it is it is definitely a um a league taking notice sort of a thing. And uh Sam Speckard says pessimistic take is a Hawks can afford to pay McDavid $25 million a year. Well, yeah, cap space is part of it. I was just going to say out of those five teams, who has the cap space to make it work, right? And they can at least temporarily make the cap space work without injuring the roster too much, right? whereas all those other teams you mentioned would have to make significant shifts to keep McDavid on a contract that 25. It’s not gonna be 25 million, but whatever it’s going to be. I mean, in three years. So, we’re hearing from Bman now the the revenue that they’re expected to bring in keeps the cap projections over the last two years basically unchanged where in two years the cap’s going to be 113.5 million dollars. It’s 95 and a half this season. That’s a That’s a big jump. That’s 18. Look at that. Look at that math. $18 million jump. So 20% of of 113 million be 22.6. So if you want if he wants to be 20% of the cap, as Bejian points out in the chat, $22.6 million a year. And I feel like the Hawks are, you know, we’ll see what Bard’s contract looks like, but you got the over the next three years, you have Knight, you have uh Nazar signed. Yep. Classic is signed as well, right? Those were the extensions that that you know got done. Donado, too. Um, but as far as like the big money, like we’ll see what Baddard’s contract goes ends up being. But I don’t think they’re I don’t think they’re in a spot where anybody else besides Badard is going to in the next three years garner a huge contract like that because uh well Fondell would be due for an extension I think in three years off of his entry level. Yeah. Um so obviously he has to play in the NHL to even figure out what his next contract could could uh his second contract could look like. But yeah, I mean I I I think they would still be in a really good spot to where you want to say you can pay him 20 plus million, he’d be worth it, so they’d be able to fit it. Well, this is not the only poll the Blackhawks showed up in. Who’s the NHL’s most punchable player? Nick Cousins, Brad Marshian, Matthew Kachchuck. I’m going in order here. Connor Garland, Joel Erikson, Garnett Hathaway, Sam Bennett, Bernie Gallagher, Dylan Larkin, Michael Bunting, Nikita Zidorov, Tim Stutel, Trevor Ziggress, and all receiving votes, Connor Bard, and known NHL miscreant, Louis Krevier gets a vote for the NHL’s most punchable player. I have to know who voted for Louis Crevier. I’m going to guess. And why? I’m guess it was Alex Flick. could be. I feel like I feel like Vassic would would take a an opportunity to uh make a joke at his teammate when when asked by either Mark Lazarus or Scott Powers this question. I just have a hunch that that’s that’s how Louis Krevier got on there. It’s somebody internal is coming from within the room. Could be that actually that does track that tracks pretty well. Um no surprises on that list by the way. Not at the top. No. Dylan Lurin surprises me a little bit. Other than that, it’s other than that, it feels like chalk. What is 1.9% of 107 votes? Is that two votes? Uh, let’s see. Probably 1.9% of how many? 107. 2.03 votes. So, yeah. So, two people said Dylan Lur. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Nick Cousins, uh, he’s a he’s a Chud. Um, I don’t even know if he’s in a league anymore. Yeah, that’s one of the that’s one of the comments. Uh, yeah. And Brad Marshian, Matthew Kachchuck, like very clearly. Very clearly. And those two guys probably have that printed out on their wall framed with pride. Yeah, they take they take pride in in being the most punchable people. Yes. Uh, what else caught your attention on this uh on the punchable one? Just on the polls in general. Oh, uh, well, clearly as, uh, Gary Bman told us, um, nobody cares about the difference in, you know, no state income taxes and all that stuff. It’s it’s such a non-issue, such a nonstory. Uh, yet 86% of the players pulled said it’s it makes a difference that yes, they do care about playing in non-state in or no state income tax states. Gee, who would have guessed? That’s a hundred of the 117 polls. Being able to make more money, people care about that. Weird. Very interesting. Um, who would have thought? Yeah. So, it’s just again, it’s it’s I don’t again I don’t know what you do about it cuz I don’t think there’s anything you can do about it. At least that’s an easy fix. And it’s not like it’s a sport thing. It’s not like the NHL has said these teams will be taxed. It’s a It’s a government thing. Keep the government out of my sports is what I say. Um, but I don’t I I mean, I don’t know how you try and finagle like, oh, state income tax percentage of the cap and and all this stuff. I think it’s just something you just have to deal with. Could you tax a team instead of the players? I’m sure the teams aren’t going to love that to have to pay the taxes on a on eventually $13 million in state tax. I don’t know. I I think you know what? There goes the salary cap. It’s gone. That’s how you fix it. You pay you pay the players whatever you can pay them and yeha. It’s the wild west in the I mean look or you or you bring in a luxury tax. Sure, you could do that too. Just if you want to pay over the cap, then there is a a fee to pay to do it. But okay. Yeah. there. I think there’s a lot of team I mean look the Dynasty Hawks they wanted to spend every penny they could and more. Mhm. And they did. They did. They had I mean the Jack Skilly bus tour was quite a thing. Yeah. You had to get creative. You had to send them down every day just to make the 26 cent savings to to keep on the roster. So yeah, that’s that’s interesting. Uh 86.3%. It’s higher than I thought because I felt like fewer players would actually admit that it matters. I would have thought it was going to be like 100%. Yeah. Well, when I tal I I wrote about it earlier this year. I talked to some Hawks and some of them were sort of saying like, well, you know, it’s it probably feels like a bigger deal cuz like, okay, you sign with Florida and you take less money to play there because of the taxing, but then you get traded and then you’re double screwed because you’re have a lower cap hit and now you’re getting state tax. So, now you’re getting paid way less than you’re worth. So, they kind of had those sort of arguments against it. So, but who knows how deeply those guys think. But if you’re a Brad Marshand at age 37 and you know you’re going to be part of the Florida Panthers until you retire, then you’re probably not too worried about it and you’ve already made how much money in your career? Fine. You know, so that’s where those no movement clauses come in too, which also helps those those tax markets. So, it’s interesting. Uh check all these out at the Athletic. I think they put them in three separate posts. uh McDavid and Crosby’s future most punchable player next record to follow are the three um actually it’s five the state income and then are they on social media just real quickly though do you see Crosby playing elsewhere ever thought so until they were turned out to be decent this year I would have I yeah I would have thought it would it would happen this year u but the way they’ve played I don’t know how you get rid of them at this time at this point yeah so you got to you got to roll with them at at this point because you’re trying to contend and be there uh if you’re the Penguins. So, he’s he’s there until further notice. I don’t think he’s going to play for the ABS. Um and that’s the only team I can’t see him play. Sorry, Clay. Yeah. All right, we are going to uh wrap up the show. We are back tomorrow after Hawks and Rangers. Remember, if you’re going if you’re watching 6:30 start despite the game being at the United Center, so don’t sleep on that. 6:30 tomorrow night. Game is on TNT. Rangers in blue, Hawks in red. It’s going to look great. It’s going to be a great start time. Join us for the postgame show on the CHGO Blackhawks podcast. [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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After a tough California road trip, the Chicago Blackhawks made notable roster moves by sending Sam Rinzel and Landon Slaggert to Rockford, raising questions about how the lineup will shift moving forward. Mario Tirabassi and Jay Zawaski break down what these assignments mean for Chicago’s structure and why the team is moving back toward a traditional 12–6 setup. The guys also react to what Jeff Blashill, Connor Bedard, and Andre Burakovsky had to say at today’s practice as the Hawks look to reset.

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02:00 Blackhawks Roster Moves
03:00 Jeff Blashill Press Conference
8:30 Dominic Toninato’s Call Up
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18:20 Blashill Getting Back to Basics
22:00 Leadership Missing Without Foligno
26:15 Connor Bedard Press Conference
33:45 Andre Burakovsky Press Conference
48:30 The Athletic Player Polls

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2 comments
  1. I think Sam’s development will benefit from some time with the Hogs.. more space and more ice time and not have to worry about big buffalos threatening to kill him after every play.. carrying a more important role on a roster will be good for him.. and it’s currently not available in the NHL.. Sam is a favorite of mine though look forward to see him back in the right time.

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