EXPLODE: Pittsburgh Pirates TRY Breaking Free Agent ICE, League UNIMPRESSED—What’s Next?

EXPLODE: Pittsburgh Pirates TRY Breaking Free Agent ICE, League UNIMPRESSED—What’s Next?

The Pirates are finally acting like they want to play in the big leagues, but the league isn't exactly rolling out the red carpet. They've swung and missed on some big names, even when they offered more money. So, what does that mean? How far should they go to break the ice? Let's talk about it. You are Locked On Pirates, your [music] daily Pittsburgh Pirates podcast, part of the Locked On Network, your team every day. >> What's up everybody? Welcome back to Locked On Pirates, your daily podcast for all things Buckos. I'm Gary Morgan, former editor over at steelcitypirates.com, covering this team since 2019. I'm a lifelong fan who's seen just about everything this franchise can throw at us. First off, thank you to the all the everydayers out there for tuning in and keeping this community strong and making me your first listen every single day. If you're new here, hit the subscribe button, join the conversation. Here's what we've got today. The pirates are acting differently, but what does that mean? I want to go over overspending the smart and the stupid way. And uh we'll we'll talk about some different rumors and tidbits of information to kind of illustrate that and then a few AMAs on no trade clauses, lineup construction, speed, things like that. Today's episode is brought to you by FanDuel if you want to be right in the middle of the action this season. Visit fan.com and place your NFL live bets all season long. So factually speaking, the Pirates have publicly expressed interest in being active in the market for both trades and free agents, and they've backed that up with real offers. Here's what we know. They went after Jorge Palano. They offered an extra year and 10 million more than the winning bid. They chased Adollis Garcia. They were open to an extra year and they offered one and a half million more than he ended up getting. Schwarber four years higher AAV than what he signed for and they were given no opportunity to counter. They even outbid the A's by 1.8 million for Sodo and they sent a valuable pitcher for a promising close to the league power hitter. That's not the pirates we've known for the last decade. They're acting differently. Does that mean they want to win? I mean, [laughter] I I always hear this all the time. Does that Does that mean they care? Do they care? Honestly, I don't care what their internal motivations are. If they succeed, it works. Period. The hurdle to me is breaking the ice. We've talked about overpaying as the price of doing business. I think they've tried. The question is how far should they go because when I look at like what they've actually accomplished, what they've tried to get done, I don't feel bad about any of their attempts and and some of them I'm not all that sure I would want them to take them too much further than they did. You know, like there's some players like like Kyle Schwarber. If the Pirates overpaid for Kyle Schwarber, which their initial offer probably would have been and what he took with Philly for sure is, but if you're paying Schwarber that, well, he's been a very consistent power hitter. You're probably going to get some pretty decent production out of him. And nobody in your market is going to say a word about how much you spent to get it done. Positive or negative. They're not going to give you extra credit because he cost more than he should have. They're not going to short change what you did because, you know, it wasn't a lowball offer or anything. You got something done. Your fan base is going to be beside themselves excited because you got all these extra home runs. They're not going to care how much it cost. But the league would understand that you're willing to go to a certain point and you can afford to do that with a player like Schwarber because you're sure you're going to get production. And even if you can't make the math work on the back end, like let's say the production never lines up with the dollar figure, it's going to be close enough that you can make the sales pitch if you really wanted to that it was smart money. That is not the case with everybody. You can overpay for some players like and you're not going to get that. You're not going to get that positive response because it's such an obvious overpay that somebody is going to point out to you how very much more you're paying this person than you should be. You can hide some of it with the pirates tax that they've got to pay to get back into things here. And I think a lot of fans will understand that. I think a lot of league experts will understand that. I also just want you to know the same people that are making fun of them right now for not really trying andor not winning any of these deals or, you know, out there openly supposing that the pirates need to pay as much as double what someone else would to get them convinced. Don't think those people wouldn't turn around and be the first ones making fun of them for making a stupid deal. They would. You'd still be a laughingstock. They'd just be laughing about something different. You can open the door and have it be productive and show people that you're in and you want to spend money and you're very serious about putting together a competitive team. or you can eat a bunch of payroll. Bring in a player that isn't really going to help all that much. And it doesn't show that the league that you're trying to win. It shows the league you're incompetent. There's a fine line here. What we're asking Ben Harington to do is hard. It is. I'm asking him to be stupid on purpose. Just don't be so stupid that you look stupid. It's tough. It's a tough ask. I'm not asking for something easy. I hope I'm asking for something possible. I kind of leave it there sometimes when I start discussing what what I'm actually asking them to go out and do on the market because I think they've taken some legitimate swings here. I don't think there was a world in which Philadelphia was going to allow Kyle Schwarber to escape. I said that before all the rumors ever started. I allowed myself to be open to the possibility because well, the Pirates made a again competitive offer as did other teams. I It turns out Baltimore offered I think almost exactly what he took in Philly. It's come out now. You weren't going to get an opportunity to take him out of Philly. Not really. But I'm glad they did. Glad they took that swing. I'm glad they tried th those posted numbers. I mean, you can laugh about it. You, oh, that's not a serious offer. Well, at the time that they submit the paperwork, that was the top offer. And what if he took it? Well, they better be serious real quick, right? I mean, like, you don't make those offers if you're not actually going to make the deal, you know? And I think we we want so badly to have a defined villain all the time, you know? You want somebody that is causing all this. You want it to be, well, the league hates Bob Nutting and nobody wants to play for him. Most of the league, and I mean this as far as the players go, they don't know who Bob Nutting is. They They don't They know that the Pirates don't spend a lot of money. That's it. They don't really know his name. They don't know his history. They don't know why he doesn't spend money. Maybe they believe all the reports they hear and it's just him just frankly not wanting to spend his money. He's got plenty of it. Maybe they believe that. It doesn't matter because it's the perception of the franchise that they have. It's not a named villain. It's the franchise and and take it take it to your own experience in other leagues if you don't believe me. Like even [clears throat] capped leagues, go to the NFL for the most part, and this has been a weird year, but for the most part, you know, the Arizona Cardinals are going to stink. You know, the Cleveland Browns are going to stink. You know what I mean? You know, a lot of these teams are going to stink because that's the trajectory they're on. And they always make mistakes and they never do the right things and they always try to get retreads from other places that were successful and and try to turn it into their own thing and it doesn't work. Well, the Pirates have a reputation of never spending money, not knowing how to develop, getting fleeced in trades, waiting too long to make trades, trading too early. Basically, anything dumb you can think of. The Pirates have that reputation. I want them to open the door to like have the league actually take them as a serious competitor on the free agent market. And I think to do that, you've got to go out and you've got to sign somebody that really breaks the ice. I think there should have been a little bit of an eyeopening moment when they managed to sign Gregory Sodto. They spent a little more than I think he needed to get paid and they got it done and he was pretty andarguably the best lefty available on the market. But that's not enough to reset the market. That's not enough to crack the ice and let you in. That's enough to thaw a little hole in the ice that you might be able to pop your head up through and and suck in some much needed oxygen, but you're going to have to go back down and keep looking for another air pocket. And that's where we're at, looking for another air pocket. And I want to talk about a false air pocket, if you will. Segment two. That's what I want to get into. What What does stupid look like to me? Because I I think we've borderline offered it a couple times here. And I just I'm starting to grow fearful that they're going to panic move into something thinking it sends one message, but in reality sending the other. NFL Sundays move fast. One big play and suddenly everything feels different. That's what makes live betting with FanDuel so much fun. You're not just watching the game, you're reacting to it in real time. FanDuel, you can jump in as the action unfolds. Every drive, every momentum swing, every single highlight moment. Live betting is perfect when the game starts to flip. A receiver gets hot, a defense tightens up, or a turnover changes everything. FanDuel lets you ride that wave. Live spreads and money lines update instantly. Player props adjust as guys heat up. You can bet next touchdown scores, drive results, totals, and more. It keeps you locked into every snap, every drive, every possibility. Take Monday Night Football. 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But you can also overspend on someone who doesn't move the needle. And that's where it gets stupid. Jorge Palano is probably not a good enough player to get three years $50 million. I I think his bank of evidence that he's worth 20 million a year or even under that a little bit is probably not there. But I think he was a worthy overpay. I think you could have done about what the Pirates offered. I could have again seen them go up another five or 10 million just to get it done. But I think they're spending too much of a percentage of what they have to spend on a player like Jorge Blanco. Again, I'm factoring in that I'm paying the price to open the door to have somebody be serious to take the Pirates seriously. The Jorge Palano situation is even worse because the Pirates, at least as far as what I've been told, kind of went to sleep the night before thinking this Palanco deal is getting done. We've submitted. We know we're a year ahead of everybody else. We know that our AAV is up above everybody else. And the Mets weren't even talking to him, at least reportedly. And the next morning they plan to finalize everything and have their first trophy fish really of the off season. Instead they got a phone call saying, "Hey, I took a deal from the Mets. It's less than what you offered." I mean like if you're the Pirates, you're probably pretty like devastated by that. But again, you have to understand what you have created and and and yes, I can say Ben Cherington too because while we have intentionally not spent a lot of money here as this rebuild has been going on, it's not like the Pirates have been banking the money they weren't spending and putting it into some kind of a fund so that they could come out and spend big in in this identified year of when it would be proper to go do So that's not what they've done. They they haven't banked any money. If they had banked money, you'd be talking about payroll is a hell of a lot bigger than 110 on the top side. And let's be real, that was only if they got Schwarber. So they're trying, but because they didn't try really the entire tenure here of Ben Sharington to spend money, it's not resonating. and even little things of change that he dropped in the piggy bank early on like with over $10 million for Raldis Chapman, you know, that came out of nowhere and surprised Pirates fans and it was a big AAV, right? I mean, it was a big swing on a big veteran that they took and kind of came out of nowhere. Didn't even believe it would happen really. But they didn't get any credit out of that because they didn't do anything else. Basically, they just bought one player for a little bit more than he would have cost. And we're talking a couple mill more than he would have cost and they brought him in and they ended up, you know, not doing anything with him. Really was brought in in a year where it probably wasn't even necessary based on everything else they did to pseudo try. It brings me to Luis Robert. Last month, the White Socks picked up his $20 million option for 2026. GM Chris gets says he's their starting center fielder next year. So, nobody ever lies. You should take that 100% face value, right? That hasn't stopped teams from calling, including the Mets, Padres's, and yes, the Pirates. Here's the reality. Robert hit 223, 297, 364 with an 84 W wrc plus across 110 games. His first half was brutal. 185 270 313 with a 63 WRC plus. Strikeout rate 30.9% walk rate 10.2. He's been trending down for years. If the socks were willing to eat half of his salary, maybe you can talk. But spending 20 million on one year of a guy who's underwhelmed as he questions about whether he even likes baseball. That's not aggressive. That's desperate. That move wouldn't scream open for business. That move would scream we're still psies. So if you're going to overspend, make it on someone who has already got the talent. Make it somebody that deserves the money. Like it's a it's a slight difference between Jorge Palano and and Luis Robert Jr., right? 20 million for for Jorge Palano, 20 million for Luis Robert. I I have liked what Jorge Palano has done better. I can excuse spending him what I feel is an overreach of 20 million a year because I think he'll perform enough that nobody in my market and nobody in the rest of the league is going to laugh at me. They're going to understand why I had to spend a little more, but they're also going to understand that I didn't spend so much more that it's insane. He's going to produce close to that. I can't say that for Luis Robert. For Luis Robert, I think what you can say is I'm eating $20 million and boy, I really hope this works out. Boy, I really hope he rebounds. Boy, I really hope he's something because I got news for you. This isn't even a guy you're going to be able to turn around and trade at the deadline. He's still going to be making like I think he'll be owed what seven and a half million or so by then still. And then who knows what you're asking someone to eat for seven and a half million. And what are you going to get back for him? And you're not going to extend him. If you extended Luis Robert first, he would have had to have had a much much better season than he's had. You really would have to believe in the change of scenery thing. Getting out of Chicago sure fixed blah blah blah. You're jumping from the Chicago White Socks to the Pittsburgh Pirates. I'm not sure what kind of change of scenery you're hoping for. And he's certainly not going to be surrounded by so much more offensive talent that it straightens him out and he's not called upon and leaned on anymore. This isn't a good situation for Luis Robert. That's bad money being spent to mask a lot of problems. I just don't think the Pirates should be involved in this one. You know, I I have no problem with spending more than they need to spend. I don't I and I mean that on the trade market and the free agent market. I have no problem with them being a little stupid because they have to be. I think they have to be a little stupid. I do. I think the league is actively showing them that it requires them to be a little stupid, but a little stupid because if you take it too far, I don't think you fix the things you're hoping to fix. I don't think you open the market to your own whims. I don't think that it gets you more bites at the apple. I don't think anyone takes you more seriously. In fact, I think they laugh behind your back even more. I really do. I think you got to be really careful here. You don't go spend money just to spend money. That's stupid. That doesn't help anyone. Find targets that require a decent amount of money. Identify them. Offer more than you're comfortable with. Offer more than you've heard rumored they want. go get it done. You can keep taking big swings if you want, but if you're going to be swinging at guys like Cody Bellinger, I think it's pretty evident he doesn't want to come here or any small market team, frankly. But let's just claim that he would be open to it. He and Scott Boris are suddenly like, "Yeah, we're going to listen to the Pittsburgh Pirates." You think he's supposed to get 6 years 180? You're going to have to go in with 8 years 220. Just go in with it and just say, "Listen, this is way more than you asked for even. I really think I'm paying for the privilege here of not waiting for you to shop this around to everybody else that might be interested in you. give me a yes or no. And if if he gives you I mean and if you've embarrassed his publicly stated ask, if you've buried that in an avalanche of overpay, you are paying for the privilege of getting out of the bidding war. Give me an answer up or down. I just want to know whether I can move on or if I should keep the door open for you. Cody, we think you could change this team. We think you could be a big part of this team. We think you could help. We think you answer a lot of questions we need to answer. We're willing to pay you more than you asked for. All I'm asking is that you don't keep shopping. Give me my decision one way or another. At least give me that respect. I think you'll get your answer. I'm not saying you'll win it, but I also don't think it'll prevent you from continuing to shop for other things while you hunt these big game targets. Just accept what you have to do and make that your first offer. Stop losing out because you're not even getting an opportunity to counter. Go out there and be the one that everyone else has to beat by a wide margin. Make it painful. Make it Make it so that like the rumored lists no longer have you lumped in with the A's and the Tigers and the Royals and the Reds and how be lumped in with the Mets and the Tigers and and the the Rangers and the teams that are actually trying to spend whatever. You got to put yourself in a different class if you want to be seen differently. Don't take a swing and a miss at something stupid. Again, I do not want to see us go from shooting to try to be open for business to wearing signs that we're still psies on our back and getting kicked all the way down the road. When we come back, let's do some pretty good AMAs. The World Cup is coming back to North America for the first time since 1994. And with 48 teams for the first time ever, it's going to be massive. Let's be real, getting tickets is usually the hardest part. That's why the Game Time app is clutch. Finally, giving fans a real advantage when it comes to snagging seats. 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Hey everybody, welcome back to Locked on Pirates. If you're not following me on socials already, make sure you do. Gary M20007 onx Gary Morgan on Facebook. You can find Locked on Pirates anywhere, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Locked OnPirates, or you can follow the Discord and I'll talk about that a little bit later. Uh, let's see. AMA is good ones. Can players change the ter the teams on their no trade clause yeartoyear? Um, no. If they have a contract, some players will have built into it a limited no trade clause. They can negotiate a full no trade clause if they're the right kind of player. It's really up to you. There's no rule as as far as like how many teams you can say are on your no no trade clause. It's really what the team is willing to sign with you. Now, Major League Baseball does have something and this is why Kau Marte is coming up so big right now. It's because when you get to what they call 10 and five rights, which is 10 years of MLB service andor and five years with the same team, you're granted full veto power. So, you can have things in your contract like Marte does, which is five, but come April, he gets 105 status and he will be able to veto a trade to anywhere. So that's why if there is any incentive for Arizona to actually move Catal Marte, that's why they want to do it right now. That's why they want to do it right now before they get to that point because after that Catel Marte can say no to any deal. And he is the type of player that might very well do that. And Arizona is thinking to themselves, I'd like to get out of this while I still have some options. Not that they want to lose the player, but I I really think this 105 status is probably causing a lot of that. Your original question is, can you change it? You know, you can't change it year to year. Like, you can't you I mean, you can renegotiate your contract. I suppose I I'm not sure why you would do that. Maybe if you went to them and you were like, "Hey, if you pay me a mill less, I just want to change up my no trade clause. I want to pick five different teams. I I don't hate the same things I hated 5 years ago when I signed this. You sure you can do that? I guess most don't. I would think he won't. I would I would think most won't. Um they're chosen for all kinds of reasons. Like Brian Reynolds has one. I mean, I don't know if you know that or not, but Brian Reynolds has one and and his is odd. Most of his is major markets. He doesn't want he doesn't want to be in New York. he doesn't want to be in California, you know, and there are some players that feel that way. There are some players that they're they just have terrible experiences with certain teams or they grew up with with that that team as their hated rival and they just can't stand going there. You'll see that sort of thing. But for the most part, when they're in your contract, they're in your contract. And then when you get to the 105 status, first of all, it's a rare player that has 10 five status that is a hot commodity on the trade market, frankly, because most of them are kind of getting long in the tooth. Tom Marte was young when he signed. So, you know, I bottom line, you can't really change it. Uh, as currently constructed, Cruz remains the most ideal leadoff hitter. Adding Steven Quan would instantly lengthen the lineup. Are fans too focused on power? Contact on base and power are all needed. Balance matters. Yeah. I mean, I love Steven Quan. I think I've said that before. This would be a target that I would love the Pirates to be pursuing. They've got a decent trade history going on with the Guardians and I'm sure that they're not ecstatic about the last addition that they made from the Pirates, but that really had nothing to do with Pittsburgh. So, yeah, I want Steven Quan. And I've pointed out the power aspect of this before, too, because he doesn't really address that drastic need for power that they have. But he's also a guy that gets on base, plays great defense, he's going to hit enough home runs that he's effective. And yes, he's a true qualified leadoff hitter. He answers a lot of problems for the Pirates. Steven Quan makes a hell of a lot of sense. And as far as do do fans focus too much on power? It probably, but it's kind of people like my fault. I I've been pounding power, you know, for the better part of two years now. I Jim has on the show with me on Pirates Fan Forum. We've talked about it here at Nauseium. It's the most missing element they have and that's why everybody talks about it, but I'll accept some blame for it because it's certainly me driving that narrative at least in part. Um, how are the Pirates doing for speed? Last season they were caught stealing just over 28% of the time. Then he goes on to suggest some player from Tampa Bay that he'd like to to sign. And honestly, I'm not going to look into it all that much because uh I I immediately know that the Rays aren't trading the guy that he suggests. So, let's just move on with that. Uh as far as how they are for speed, um well, let's go around the diamond at least is what we what we think. I mean, O'Neal Cruz led the league in in steals. He's He's still got that capability. I don't see why not. We'd have no idea who else they're bringing in for the outfield. Uh if Garcia is one of them, he's fast. If Jack Sinsky is one of them, he's fast. He can steal some bases. They I I I'm not too worried there. Reynolds is kind of at the age where you're not even asking him to anymore. Spencer Horwitz has cement shoes. Um Nick Gonzalez is fast, but I wouldn't call him a base steeler. Uh Connor Griffin is a speed demon. If he comes up here, he's going to absolutely rip stolen bases. I'd be surprised if he wasn't near the top of the league in stolen bases. At least that's his track record. And through the miners, he's had reckless abandon. Now, I'm a little bit interested to see what happens when he starts facing guys with a good pickup move and, you know, um little bit of like change of pace to the plate, you know, see what that does to him. It's different at this level stealing bases, but I still love the speed. I love the skill set, and he is fearless. So, do I think there's a possibility there? Yes, I do. I do. Um, in third base, Trillo is fast, but I don't know that I'd call him a base steer. Henry's not a base steer. Bart's not. They need more speed, sure. But, I mean, I think that kind of speaks back to like why I'd be interested in somebody like Steven Quant. That really changes things. You really need one more to call yourself a team that can kind of run around a little bit because I think you start getting like Stephen Quan and O'Neal Cruz together in the lineup or at least like relatively close in the lineup and I think you you're building up quite the bank of speed to be driven in. That would be enough to at least give you the perception that your team is fast. Um, we're going to talk a little bit on tomorrow's show about extending Connor Griffin. And I want to I want to spend more time than I can here today. It was a topic I wanted to bring up. I just didn't think I had the time to do it properly here today. But I think there's a couple guys strategically the Pirates could go out and extend early, spend some money, send some of those signals to the league with that and improve their team in the future at the same time. So that's the route I'd like to take for tomorrow's episode. Quick reminder, if you want to go ad free, join our Discord and support the show. 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Pittsburgh Pirates swing big but face an icy reception on the MLB market. Can breaking the ice with a bold signing truly change their reputation—or just make them look foolish? Gary Morgan examines the Pirates’ aggressive pursuits of Jorge Polanco, Adolis Garcia, and Kyle Schwarber, spotlighting the team’s willingness to outbid rivals and the risks of overpaying for players who may not move the needle.

Key talking points include the difference between smart and desperate spending, the challenge of escaping Pittsburgh’s reputation as MLB’s perennial patsy, and strategy for future roster upgrades. From no-trade clauses to lineup construction, speed concerns, and potential targets like Stephen Kwan and Cody Bellinger, Gary Morgan explores the tough choices facing GM Ben Cherington. Are the Pirates finally ready to be taken seriously—or just setting themselves up for another disappointment?

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