My Gf asked me at the game the other day why I disliked # 20 so much
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Been a rough year for AlJo. No idea why but that third pair looks awful
He was really promising last year and not sure if it’s his pair mates (granted Holl was worse) but yeah he’s been significantly worse this year sadly. Maybe also a case of sophomore slumps.
Is this a cumulative stat? I feel like both of his partners have been worse than him but he’s played the whole time while they’ve shared the load on the bottom pair. He definitely needs to be the lesser partner on a pair at this point in his career.
Has looked like a soph slump to me. I stil think the pieces are there for him to become a solid third liner.
So many Habs / former Habs on this list lol
**[plugs ears]** Lalalalalala
Unexpected Luke Glendening appearance
As always, all those pretty numbers don’t tell the whole story. Johansson is a solid 3rd pairing defenseman who battles and, for the most part, plays well positionally. Last year he didn’t look as exposed because he played a lot with Edvinsson. This year, he babysits Hamonic and JBD.
We use him as a #5 D, he’s probably more of a 6th or even 7th.
The biggest change is that AlJo went from having Ed on his line last year to splitting time with either JBD or Hamonic this year. I think Ed more or less masked a lot of the mistakes that Al was making when the two were playing together.
Yep, Aljo has been just as bad as Kasper. Both of them having sophomore nose dives, not just slumps. We still need two decent defensemen on this team.
Sucks because he and Ed looked like they could be a great pair last season.
But he’s newer and young! That gets you so much leeway.
Probably time for Glendening to hang em up
He just needs a little more time. Still think he will make a respectable third pair with Anton.
The team appears to be pinning their hopes on AlJo being the guy to carry the 3rd pair for the future. Thats great and all, but it appears he’s hit his sophomore slump AND the revolving door of his linemates this season have all been boat anchors.
You’ve got 3 options:
1. Wait it out and hope he works his way through it. I still think letting McLellan and Yawney work their magic with him and JBD is the least shitty choice for this season.
2. Move on from AlJo
3. Get a proven defenseman to either pair with AlJo or knock Chiarot down the lineup. But, given this front office’s complete ineptitude when it comes to pro-scouting, we’re probably stuck with option 1 until either another prospect comes up or someone forces their way to Detroit like Cat
I pretend i do not see it
Regardless of the underlying stats affirming it, the eye test shows you he’s still catching up to the game at an NHL level. Is he disaster every shift? No and in fact he’s made some really good plays but as always, its about consistency. Hopefully he improves as the season goes on.
I’m just glad he’s not getting paid Trent Frederic money 😂
Can’t wait for like five years from now when all these game score cards that are basically just +/- in hat, sunglasses, and a trench coat get treated like +/- does.
Being -11 with Hamonic is where a huge amount of this comes from. AlJo and JBD are only -1 and actually have an on-ice xG% of 54%.
Basically AlJo just hasn’t been good enough to carry Hamonic (and hasn’t lived up to what he did last season) but he’s been perfectly serviceable with JBD, just not dominant enough to climb out of the chasm those minutes with Hamonic put him in. Also this is a cumulative stat, so he’ll end up lower than a lot of significantly worse players simply because he’s playing every game.
Sophomore slumps exist. Sophomore self-destructions? Not so great. But I think he should still get a shot next year. We’ve seen him be a very capable 2nd pair guy before. Sometimes even a calendar flip can reset the mind. We’ll see how 2026 goes for him.
LGD catchin’ strays out here.
So Vatrano fell tf off
It also skews the fact Al jo has been constant while his partner has been in and out of the lineup every 2-3 games.
The Hamonic Effect is real. AlJo is *averaging* a Gamescore of +0.09 w/o Hamonic on the squad and -0.88 with him.
If I recall correctly Aljo’s advance stats were quite bad last year too, even with Ed. He passes the eye test but the sample size is growing and while Net Rating isn’t everything he clearly is getting caved out there. Hope a better and more consistent partner will help
He’s had to play with Hamonic quite a bit
He’s had to carry hamonics washed behind a lot of the time and is still a developing player he’ll be a strong depth d man
Losing Ed and gaining hammonic as a partner can’t be helping him any.
Guy just needs a solid d partner, need an upgrade from Hamonic and Bernard Docker. He looked pretty good with Edvinsson last year, just not ready to carry a pairing on his own yet.
Who makes these “ratings” and what’s the formula they use? How do they decide what is good play and what is not?
Just asking.
From my eye test, yeah AlJo hasn’t really taken that next step yet. He is still very young, but I would like to see some improvement in his game before the break.
This may or may not show how good Edvinsson is… as it seems he was carrying Aljo last year.
Maybe he’s just not very good? Him and Berggren will look great in the SHL though.
As the saying goes: “lies, damn lies & statistics”. Aljo hasn’t been close to the worst D man the Wings have sent out this year.
they make him play with hamonic every other game. i’m not sweating it. he busts ass when he’s out there and I can appreciate the value he brings when he’s playing how he should and isn’t heavily limited by being paired with an anchor
I think two things can be true simultaneously: 1) Nobody can look good paired with Travis Hamonic; and 2) AlJo is having a bad year in his own right. His goal differential is -23, bottom 5 in the league, and his analytics are bad even in limited minutes with more competent partners (Seider, Chiarot), though the AlJo-JBD pair has been decent.
We really just need another top 4 guy, ideally by the trade deadline, then try adding another NHL caliber player in the offseason. I’m going to have an aneurism if we shed Holl and Hamonic only to add another player of that mold again.
Don’t you know these hockey stat cards only count when they say our guy is good, silly mistake.
0 shots on goal in 10 straight games is actually kind of wild.
Honestly, I’d trade Johansson for Docker on this list. I think Johansson has played well compared to Docker.
There have been a couple goals where he was screening his own goalie. I wish he would stand off to the side more.
Luke Glendening is still around? Loved em when he played for the wing’s
Does this not have more to due with who he’s paired up with than himself?
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Been a rough year for AlJo. No idea why but that third pair looks awful
He was really promising last year and not sure if it’s his pair mates (granted Holl was worse) but yeah he’s been significantly worse this year sadly. Maybe also a case of sophomore slumps.
Is this a cumulative stat? I feel like both of his partners have been worse than him but he’s played the whole time while they’ve shared the load on the bottom pair. He definitely needs to be the lesser partner on a pair at this point in his career.
Has looked like a soph slump to me. I stil think the pieces are there for him to become a solid third liner.
So many Habs / former Habs on this list lol
**[plugs ears]** Lalalalalala
Unexpected Luke Glendening appearance
As always, all those pretty numbers don’t tell the whole story. Johansson is a solid 3rd pairing defenseman who battles and, for the most part, plays well positionally. Last year he didn’t look as exposed because he played a lot with Edvinsson. This year, he babysits Hamonic and JBD.
We use him as a #5 D, he’s probably more of a 6th or even 7th.
The biggest change is that AlJo went from having Ed on his line last year to splitting time with either JBD or Hamonic this year. I think Ed more or less masked a lot of the mistakes that Al was making when the two were playing together.
Yep, Aljo has been just as bad as Kasper. Both of them having sophomore nose dives, not just slumps. We still need two decent defensemen on this team.
Sucks because he and Ed looked like they could be a great pair last season.
But he’s newer and young! That gets you so much leeway.
Probably time for Glendening to hang em up
He just needs a little more time. Still think he will make a respectable third pair with Anton.
The team appears to be pinning their hopes on AlJo being the guy to carry the 3rd pair for the future. Thats great and all, but it appears he’s hit his sophomore slump AND the revolving door of his linemates this season have all been boat anchors.
You’ve got 3 options:
1. Wait it out and hope he works his way through it. I still think letting McLellan and Yawney work their magic with him and JBD is the least shitty choice for this season.
2. Move on from AlJo
3. Get a proven defenseman to either pair with AlJo or knock Chiarot down the lineup. But, given this front office’s complete ineptitude when it comes to pro-scouting, we’re probably stuck with option 1 until either another prospect comes up or someone forces their way to Detroit like Cat
I pretend i do not see it
Regardless of the underlying stats affirming it, the eye test shows you he’s still catching up to the game at an NHL level. Is he disaster every shift? No and in fact he’s made some really good plays but as always, its about consistency. Hopefully he improves as the season goes on.
I’m just glad he’s not getting paid Trent Frederic money 😂
Can’t wait for like five years from now when all these game score cards that are basically just +/- in hat, sunglasses, and a trench coat get treated like +/- does.
Being -11 with Hamonic is where a huge amount of this comes from. AlJo and JBD are only -1 and actually have an on-ice xG% of 54%.
Basically AlJo just hasn’t been good enough to carry Hamonic (and hasn’t lived up to what he did last season) but he’s been perfectly serviceable with JBD, just not dominant enough to climb out of the chasm those minutes with Hamonic put him in. Also this is a cumulative stat, so he’ll end up lower than a lot of significantly worse players simply because he’s playing every game.
Sophomore slumps exist. Sophomore self-destructions? Not so great. But I think he should still get a shot next year. We’ve seen him be a very capable 2nd pair guy before. Sometimes even a calendar flip can reset the mind. We’ll see how 2026 goes for him.
LGD catchin’ strays out here.
So Vatrano fell tf off
It also skews the fact Al jo has been constant while his partner has been in and out of the lineup every 2-3 games.
The Hamonic Effect is real. AlJo is *averaging* a Gamescore of +0.09 w/o Hamonic on the squad and -0.88 with him.
If I recall correctly Aljo’s advance stats were quite bad last year too, even with Ed. He passes the eye test but the sample size is growing and while Net Rating isn’t everything he clearly is getting caved out there. Hope a better and more consistent partner will help
He’s had to play with Hamonic quite a bit
He’s had to carry hamonics washed behind a lot of the time and is still a developing player he’ll be a strong depth d man
Losing Ed and gaining hammonic as a partner can’t be helping him any.
Guy just needs a solid d partner, need an upgrade from Hamonic and Bernard Docker. He looked pretty good with Edvinsson last year, just not ready to carry a pairing on his own yet.
Who makes these “ratings” and what’s the formula they use? How do they decide what is good play and what is not?
Just asking.
From my eye test, yeah AlJo hasn’t really taken that next step yet. He is still very young, but I would like to see some improvement in his game before the break.
This may or may not show how good Edvinsson is… as it seems he was carrying Aljo last year.
Maybe he’s just not very good? Him and Berggren will look great in the SHL though.
As the saying goes: “lies, damn lies & statistics”. Aljo hasn’t been close to the worst D man the Wings have sent out this year.
they make him play with hamonic every other game. i’m not sweating it. he busts ass when he’s out there and I can appreciate the value he brings when he’s playing how he should and isn’t heavily limited by being paired with an anchor
I think two things can be true simultaneously: 1) Nobody can look good paired with Travis Hamonic; and 2) AlJo is having a bad year in his own right. His goal differential is -23, bottom 5 in the league, and his analytics are bad even in limited minutes with more competent partners (Seider, Chiarot), though the AlJo-JBD pair has been decent.
We really just need another top 4 guy, ideally by the trade deadline, then try adding another NHL caliber player in the offseason. I’m going to have an aneurism if we shed Holl and Hamonic only to add another player of that mold again.
Don’t you know these hockey stat cards only count when they say our guy is good, silly mistake.
0 shots on goal in 10 straight games is actually kind of wild.
Honestly, I’d trade Johansson for Docker on this list. I think Johansson has played well compared to Docker.
There have been a couple goals where he was screening his own goalie. I wish he would stand off to the side more.
Luke Glendening is still around? Loved em when he played for the wing’s
Does this not have more to due with who he’s paired up with than himself?