He’s far from perfect but Dougie isn’t the problem. Especially on a team struggling to score, sitting the one D who has a knack for getting the puck on net isn’t going to be the answer
I get the hate, but its so misplaced by fans that only look at points and Dougie’s contract. I assume Fitz and his team are smarter than the average fan (yeah, I know – too much credit), and benching him is really an attempt to get him to waive his NTC. But what does that strategy do to overall team spirt and Fitz’ reputation going forward when dealing with players?
That chart doesn’t include the 2 lazy penalties he takes most games
I really, really, really hope they aren’t scratching him to force him to waive his nmc. That’s such a shit thing to do overall and is an awful look for the organization.
At the beginning of the year I strongly argued against moving Hamilton or replacing him on pp1 would be a mistake. With that being said, he seems to be struggling mightily this year defensively. In years past you can justify it by saying that he can run the pp and provide solid offense from the back end. But this year he isn’t doing that and it isn’t worth him to put him out there solely for that reason. Luke and Nemec seem to be the ones driving the offense from the point where Dougie isn’t and arguably shouldn’t be the pp quarterback.
I’m hoping that if he is being healthy scratched it’s to reset and hopefully come back to where he doesn’t look comlletely cooked. I’m not optimistic, but just hate to see it pan out this way for him.
I’d be curious to see the actual goals instead of expected. From the eye test, Dougie has been missing the net a ton, but I’m not sure if that’s factored into the advance stats here.
This isn’t a fair comparison because Cholowski and White were playing a lot of the minutes when Hamilton wasn’t on the ice. If Siegenthaler-Kovacevic pairing is anywhere near as effective as it was last season, there’s no room for Hamilton in the lineup because he’s not a better player than Pesce or Nemec at this stage of his career.
His xGF/60 is roughly the same as Pesce and Siegenthaler. Whoop-de-doo.
He’s getting paid 9 million to do a lot more than a 20 point pace.
and yet he sits instead of Luke Hughes, whos single handedly lost games. What are we even doing here?
We can get a bag of pucks for him at this point and I’d be okay. Let’s just get this done with already. He’s hasn’t been happy for a while and his play really shows it. Do the locker room a favor and get it done
I honestly think Dougie is like the poster child with what’s wrong on this team. He’s perceived as (or at least was) an elite player due to metrics that don’t properly reflect his actual contribution to a winning team. His analytics are vastly inflated by him constantly sailing muffins at the goalie that will in no shape or form actually result in goals. He is easy to play against, constantly gets beat in board battles, and is lost in defensive coverage frequently. He has been a bit more physical this year but is the softest 6’6 player I’ve ever seen.
This is a step in the right direction. Sucks it has to come to this as he seems like a great dude.
Show me the other RD and then we can talk….
so basically he gives us the xGF in offense that he loses us on defense. so if the pucks stop going in… he’s worth very little.
Yeah, I don’t usually analyze charts that look like the backdrop of a Phish concert when I’m on mushrooms.
Hes a liability defensively and we have 4 other Dmen who are offensive minded
Every day there’s a call for Dougie to be traded, and now that he’s being benched and he’s likely to be traded very soon, we’re trying to say that Dougie isn’t the problem and he should stay?
Make up your minds folks.
He has 10pts in 40 games. He’s supposed to be our $9m per year franchise offensive dman, his production doesn’t justify that contract.
I don’t care what what these under the hood charts try show, volleys of LD chances don’t change the score so they don’t prove the point. Don’t even get me started on his momentum crushing minors lately too, him and Noesen crush the on-ice energy with their sloppy play.
He’s not the only issue we have, by a mile, but nothing can change without cap wiggle room and he gives us a hell of a lot of while simultaneously moving him being entirely justifiable
His production isn’t there and for the money he has cornered we need more that he can’t give, his game his night and day since tearing his pec. We’re justified to sit him for performance AND to send the message to waive and go.
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He’s far from perfect but Dougie isn’t the problem. Especially on a team struggling to score, sitting the one D who has a knack for getting the puck on net isn’t going to be the answer
I get the hate, but its so misplaced by fans that only look at points and Dougie’s contract. I assume Fitz and his team are smarter than the average fan (yeah, I know – too much credit), and benching him is really an attempt to get him to waive his NTC. But what does that strategy do to overall team spirt and Fitz’ reputation going forward when dealing with players?
That chart doesn’t include the 2 lazy penalties he takes most games
I really, really, really hope they aren’t scratching him to force him to waive his nmc. That’s such a shit thing to do overall and is an awful look for the organization.
At the beginning of the year I strongly argued against moving Hamilton or replacing him on pp1 would be a mistake. With that being said, he seems to be struggling mightily this year defensively. In years past you can justify it by saying that he can run the pp and provide solid offense from the back end. But this year he isn’t doing that and it isn’t worth him to put him out there solely for that reason. Luke and Nemec seem to be the ones driving the offense from the point where Dougie isn’t and arguably shouldn’t be the pp quarterback.
I’m hoping that if he is being healthy scratched it’s to reset and hopefully come back to where he doesn’t look comlletely cooked. I’m not optimistic, but just hate to see it pan out this way for him.
I’d be curious to see the actual goals instead of expected. From the eye test, Dougie has been missing the net a ton, but I’m not sure if that’s factored into the advance stats here.
This isn’t a fair comparison because Cholowski and White were playing a lot of the minutes when Hamilton wasn’t on the ice. If Siegenthaler-Kovacevic pairing is anywhere near as effective as it was last season, there’s no room for Hamilton in the lineup because he’s not a better player than Pesce or Nemec at this stage of his career.
His xGF/60 is roughly the same as Pesce and Siegenthaler. Whoop-de-doo.
He’s getting paid 9 million to do a lot more than a 20 point pace.
and yet he sits instead of Luke Hughes, whos single handedly lost games. What are we even doing here?
We can get a bag of pucks for him at this point and I’d be okay. Let’s just get this done with already. He’s hasn’t been happy for a while and his play really shows it. Do the locker room a favor and get it done
I honestly think Dougie is like the poster child with what’s wrong on this team. He’s perceived as (or at least was) an elite player due to metrics that don’t properly reflect his actual contribution to a winning team. His analytics are vastly inflated by him constantly sailing muffins at the goalie that will in no shape or form actually result in goals. He is easy to play against, constantly gets beat in board battles, and is lost in defensive coverage frequently. He has been a bit more physical this year but is the softest 6’6 player I’ve ever seen.
This is a step in the right direction. Sucks it has to come to this as he seems like a great dude.
Show me the other RD and then we can talk….
so basically he gives us the xGF in offense that he loses us on defense. so if the pucks stop going in… he’s worth very little.
Yeah, I don’t usually analyze charts that look like the backdrop of a Phish concert when I’m on mushrooms.
Hes a liability defensively and we have 4 other Dmen who are offensive minded
Every day there’s a call for Dougie to be traded, and now that he’s being benched and he’s likely to be traded very soon, we’re trying to say that Dougie isn’t the problem and he should stay?
Make up your minds folks.
He has 10pts in 40 games. He’s supposed to be our $9m per year franchise offensive dman, his production doesn’t justify that contract.
I don’t care what what these under the hood charts try show, volleys of LD chances don’t change the score so they don’t prove the point. Don’t even get me started on his momentum crushing minors lately too, him and Noesen crush the on-ice energy with their sloppy play.
He’s not the only issue we have, by a mile, but nothing can change without cap wiggle room and he gives us a hell of a lot of while simultaneously moving him being entirely justifiable
His production isn’t there and for the money he has cornered we need more that he can’t give, his game his night and day since tearing his pec. We’re justified to sit him for performance AND to send the message to waive and go.