[Kypreos] In Vancouver, there are strong suggestions that change is coming, but to what extent remains unclear… Either way, I hear GM Patrik Allvin doesn’t expect to survive past this season.
If Allvin is replaced, I wouldn’t be surprised if a new coach comes in with him. You don’t want another lame duck GM bringing in a coach like we saw with the Boudreau debacle
This would be huge if true. Really depends on whether Rutherford leaves too, but getting someone new in could be a nice change of pace after some very questionable decisions (handling of player injuries too). Or it could mean a new yes-man for Aqualini.
Im probably more glass half full on Allvin than most, and I think his robust amateur scouting background would be valuable through a rebuild. That said, theres got to be changes if you wanna sell hope to fans.
My guess is, Ryan Johnson is the next GM and he brings Manny Malhotra in as his Head Coach. Gives you an AHL GM/NHL AGM specializing in Player Development.
I also think that’s a pretty easy sell to fans, because you can point to Abbotsford’s Championship and position RJ/Manny as the guys who will develop that next core of Canucks Players through this rebuild.
Rutherford stays on for a year, but they start the search for a new POHO. I’d love to see Laurence Gilman back.
Wouldn’t be surprised but it’s Kypreos saying it and I trust him almost as little as Seravalli
Seems reasonable. What’s he done to make the argument that he should be able to take the franchise through this transition?
He didn’t even handle the Hughes trade, ffs.
Clean house. No if ands or but. Ground up this management needs to change to start forming an identity for the team to hold onto. This is hockey city, give the fans something to cheer about.
Not convinced that Allvin getting the axe would mean much if Rutherford is still here. Jimmy’s been calling the shots since the beginning right? So he’s just the fall guy
You won’t be missed, Patrik.
I thought people knew Rutherford’s commitment to the rebuild he said he would stay short term 1-2 years no?
Is Kypreos even a reliable source?
Does it matter. It’s all on ownership to be able to see a rebuild through.
Good. He sucks.
The only change that would have any impact is an ownership change but we all know that’s not happening anytime soon
I vote we keep JR+PA.
I think JR stands up to Aqua better than most and the last thing I want is for Aqua to be able to choose direction of this team himself.
Stupid. I have no opinion really on him as GM. He’s not a clear weak link like Jim Benning was. I guess how he handled the strong personalities in the room lead to his downfall but I don’t think most Canucks fans would have done better. Plus JR is the one calling most of the shots too.
Based on Allvin’s track record how could he survive this season if the organization is to remain credible.
We’re 32nd in the league (by a long shot) during a year we were planning to win and our division is ludicrously soft. No matter what you think of the guy, it’s a completely unacceptable result at the NHL level.
Just look at last offseason, pretty much every move was a disastour. This is the NHL, not an executive training program.
Deservingly so. There needs to be a head that rolls for the mismanagement of the team over the past few years. I hope it goes deeper into a full on house cleaning. I don’t think there is a valid arugment for anyone in this front office to survive this. This is by far the worst Canucks team under this ownership group and in all honesty probably ever. It will be a lot easier to try and sell season tickets with a shiny new front office along with a top 3 draft pick.
This guy sees into the future.
Maybe he didn’t do the best job in the world, but do we really need to kill him?!
Why now – if you don’t trust the guy then why would you let him GM through the initial stages of a rebuild?
Is Alvin just doing JRs bidding all season?
Adam Foote staying confirmed
Love it.
To many questionable decisions, poor communication and the culture is doo doo
Need to start at the top with entirely new ownership, otherwise nothing will really change.
If this is true then why did we let this group do all these trades and Hughes trade?
Wouldn’t it make sense to let the new rebuild management group start the rebuild their way?
The job of the next GM will be to convince veteran players to sign here on short term deals so they can be dealt at the trade deadline, getting draft capital by taking on bad contracts, manage drafting at the top of the next few drafts, and finding bargain bin reclamation projects that could help us in five years. If I may, I think his grades would go as follows:
1. Convincing veterans to play for the Canucks: D. Notably missed out on many free agents that would have made the team better, such as Guentzel, Reinhart, and Marner. Gave up on several veterans players soon after arrival, like Heinen, Desharnais, Mikheyev, and Lafferty
2. Selling veterans at the deadline: C-. The inability to get 1st rounders back at the trade deadline in a seller’s market is a huge sting, two years in a row. Not getting anything for Blueger this year or Suter the year prior is not inspiring. Drafting in the first round is important in a rebuild. However, four second rounders is not horrible.
3. Getting draft capital by taking on bad contracts: F. The Canucks had many opportunities to sell available cap space in order to take on cap hits to facilitate contenders stocking up. We will see what happens this summer, but Allvin never touched this.
4. Drafting in the first round: A. The canucks drafting has been good, when they’ve done it. No notable busts (theres still hope for lekkerimaki), usually taking BPA.
5. Finding bargain bin reclamation projects: F. Spending 2 4ths on Kane and Reichel to try to salvage the season was a major failure. Allvin gave Reichel what, 10 games? Theres going to be many more “former first round picks that need a change of scenery”, the Canucks FO has to be better about identifying them, not overspending on them, and not giving up on them.
Yeah Canucks could benefit from a fresh start in the organization from top to bottom. Owner change is a pipe dream but we all know that ain’t happening.
Problem we have as a franchise is we have to look externally and Aquaman will always cheap out here. We had one ( good ) internal option and they found a way to not like Trevor linden, which is an impressive feat.
Going to be a long summer
If it was up to me this is who would be going:
Owner
President
General manager
All high level management staff
All medical staff
Head coach
Assistant coaches
All coaching and athletic staff
You going to let him draft more Swedes before he leaves?
Alvin leaving wouldn’t mean anything, Rutherford is clearly the one in charge (he literally dealt with the Quinn Hughes trade)
SELL THE TEAM!
No point getting rid of PA when JR still has the reigns.
Unless the reason why JR is constantly involved in the operations is because PA is completely incompetent.
was he on that 94 team?
#fuckkipper
Kypreos is pretty unreliable but it also just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me really. To me why would you let a management group trade Quinn Hughes if you weren’t going to let them continue with the process. If you were going to fire them, I feel like the new management group should’ve been the ones to make the Quinn trade.
Hell it’s just weird from a team direction pov. Current management very obviously failed their original goal of building a contender, but were given the greenlight to start making rebuild moves, many of which seem to be very promising (at least by the low bar we’re used to as Canucks fans). So you don’t fire them after failing to build a contender, but you fire them after approving their rebuild plan before they even have a full offseason to implement the new direction? Why did you let the management group that you were planning to fire make the biggest trade in franchise history?
Another thing I don’t get, would this be Rutherford firing Allvin or ownership deciding he’s gone? Isn’t the point of Rutherford that he’s supposed to be the head of hockey operations and to “shield” the management team from ownership. Just a weird situation, firing the GM but keeping the 77 year old POHO at the start of a rebuild?
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Not directly related to this article, but in a interview a couple days ago [Rutherford had some pretty harsh comments on the teams coaching](https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/four-possible-reasons-why-the-canucks-have-been-so-bad-at-home). Calling out the lack of sticking with systems, the attention to detail, and having shifts too long.
If Allvin is replaced, I wouldn’t be surprised if a new coach comes in with him. You don’t want another lame duck GM bringing in a coach like we saw with the Boudreau debacle
This would be huge if true. Really depends on whether Rutherford leaves too, but getting someone new in could be a nice change of pace after some very questionable decisions (handling of player injuries too). Or it could mean a new yes-man for Aqualini.
Im probably more glass half full on Allvin than most, and I think his robust amateur scouting background would be valuable through a rebuild. That said, theres got to be changes if you wanna sell hope to fans.
My guess is, Ryan Johnson is the next GM and he brings Manny Malhotra in as his Head Coach. Gives you an AHL GM/NHL AGM specializing in Player Development.
I also think that’s a pretty easy sell to fans, because you can point to Abbotsford’s Championship and position RJ/Manny as the guys who will develop that next core of Canucks Players through this rebuild.
Rutherford stays on for a year, but they start the search for a new POHO. I’d love to see Laurence Gilman back.
Wouldn’t be surprised but it’s Kypreos saying it and I trust him almost as little as Seravalli
Seems reasonable. What’s he done to make the argument that he should be able to take the franchise through this transition?
He didn’t even handle the Hughes trade, ffs.
Clean house. No if ands or but. Ground up this management needs to change to start forming an identity for the team to hold onto. This is hockey city, give the fans something to cheer about.
Not convinced that Allvin getting the axe would mean much if Rutherford is still here. Jimmy’s been calling the shots since the beginning right? So he’s just the fall guy
You won’t be missed, Patrik.
I thought people knew Rutherford’s commitment to the rebuild he said he would stay short term 1-2 years no?
Is Kypreos even a reliable source?
Does it matter. It’s all on ownership to be able to see a rebuild through.
Good. He sucks.
The only change that would have any impact is an ownership change but we all know that’s not happening anytime soon
I vote we keep JR+PA.
I think JR stands up to Aqua better than most and the last thing I want is for Aqua to be able to choose direction of this team himself.
Stupid. I have no opinion really on him as GM. He’s not a clear weak link like Jim Benning was. I guess how he handled the strong personalities in the room lead to his downfall but I don’t think most Canucks fans would have done better. Plus JR is the one calling most of the shots too.
Based on Allvin’s track record how could he survive this season if the organization is to remain credible.
We’re 32nd in the league (by a long shot) during a year we were planning to win and our division is ludicrously soft. No matter what you think of the guy, it’s a completely unacceptable result at the NHL level.
Just look at last offseason, pretty much every move was a disastour. This is the NHL, not an executive training program.
Deservingly so. There needs to be a head that rolls for the mismanagement of the team over the past few years. I hope it goes deeper into a full on house cleaning. I don’t think there is a valid arugment for anyone in this front office to survive this. This is by far the worst Canucks team under this ownership group and in all honesty probably ever. It will be a lot easier to try and sell season tickets with a shiny new front office along with a top 3 draft pick.
This guy sees into the future.
Maybe he didn’t do the best job in the world, but do we really need to kill him?!
Why now – if you don’t trust the guy then why would you let him GM through the initial stages of a rebuild?
Is Alvin just doing JRs bidding all season?
Adam Foote staying confirmed
Love it.
To many questionable decisions, poor communication and the culture is doo doo
Need to start at the top with entirely new ownership, otherwise nothing will really change.
If this is true then why did we let this group do all these trades and Hughes trade?
Wouldn’t it make sense to let the new rebuild management group start the rebuild their way?
The job of the next GM will be to convince veteran players to sign here on short term deals so they can be dealt at the trade deadline, getting draft capital by taking on bad contracts, manage drafting at the top of the next few drafts, and finding bargain bin reclamation projects that could help us in five years. If I may, I think his grades would go as follows:
1. Convincing veterans to play for the Canucks: D. Notably missed out on many free agents that would have made the team better, such as Guentzel, Reinhart, and Marner. Gave up on several veterans players soon after arrival, like Heinen, Desharnais, Mikheyev, and Lafferty
2. Selling veterans at the deadline: C-. The inability to get 1st rounders back at the trade deadline in a seller’s market is a huge sting, two years in a row. Not getting anything for Blueger this year or Suter the year prior is not inspiring. Drafting in the first round is important in a rebuild. However, four second rounders is not horrible.
3. Getting draft capital by taking on bad contracts: F. The Canucks had many opportunities to sell available cap space in order to take on cap hits to facilitate contenders stocking up. We will see what happens this summer, but Allvin never touched this.
4. Drafting in the first round: A. The canucks drafting has been good, when they’ve done it. No notable busts (theres still hope for lekkerimaki), usually taking BPA.
5. Finding bargain bin reclamation projects: F. Spending 2 4ths on Kane and Reichel to try to salvage the season was a major failure. Allvin gave Reichel what, 10 games? Theres going to be many more “former first round picks that need a change of scenery”, the Canucks FO has to be better about identifying them, not overspending on them, and not giving up on them.
Yeah Canucks could benefit from a fresh start in the organization from top to bottom. Owner change is a pipe dream but we all know that ain’t happening.
Problem we have as a franchise is we have to look externally and Aquaman will always cheap out here. We had one ( good ) internal option and they found a way to not like Trevor linden, which is an impressive feat.
Going to be a long summer
If it was up to me this is who would be going:
Owner
President
General manager
All high level management staff
All medical staff
Head coach
Assistant coaches
All coaching and athletic staff
You going to let him draft more Swedes before he leaves?
Alvin leaving wouldn’t mean anything, Rutherford is clearly the one in charge (he literally dealt with the Quinn Hughes trade)
SELL THE TEAM!
No point getting rid of PA when JR still has the reigns.
Unless the reason why JR is constantly involved in the operations is because PA is completely incompetent.
was he on that 94 team?
#fuckkipper
Kypreos is pretty unreliable but it also just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me really. To me why would you let a management group trade Quinn Hughes if you weren’t going to let them continue with the process. If you were going to fire them, I feel like the new management group should’ve been the ones to make the Quinn trade.
Hell it’s just weird from a team direction pov. Current management very obviously failed their original goal of building a contender, but were given the greenlight to start making rebuild moves, many of which seem to be very promising (at least by the low bar we’re used to as Canucks fans). So you don’t fire them after failing to build a contender, but you fire them after approving their rebuild plan before they even have a full offseason to implement the new direction? Why did you let the management group that you were planning to fire make the biggest trade in franchise history?
Another thing I don’t get, would this be Rutherford firing Allvin or ownership deciding he’s gone? Isn’t the point of Rutherford that he’s supposed to be the head of hockey operations and to “shield” the management team from ownership. Just a weird situation, firing the GM but keeping the 77 year old POHO at the start of a rebuild?