The system is clearly flawed when fucking Bellichick doesn’t make first ballot.
He will be eventually. Can ask/answer the same about Bill B
Because there were long stretches where he was ass. I think that’s the reason, idk.
I think this stats and the 2 rings should be enough to get him in, but we can’t ignore the fact that he was objectively bad sometimes.
1) The bar for entry is now much higher over the last 2 years because of how they changed the voting process. The induction classes are much smaller so inevitably people are going to be left out.
2) Eli only had maybe 3-4 seasons (2009, 2011, 2014, 2015) where he could be considered a great QB before January. And as good as his postseason resume is, those wins all came in 2 years. They were 1 and done every other time he made the playoffs.
3) You could make a good case that him wanting to stay a Giant his whole career hurt his resume. Eli really should’ve been gone after 2017. He didn’t work for the Giants anymore and the Giants didn’t work for him. If he had gone to a better team that just needed a QB, he might’ve been able to win more games and make another run.
I think Eli will get in eventually, but his oldest daughter will be in college or just graduated when it happens. And I don’t think it’s even the biggest travesty with this franchise that Eli isn’t in – Coughlin is more deserving and has been eligible for even longer, Strahan was passed over once, and Harry Carson had to wait over a decade. Those 3 actually ARE outrageous.
haters
Because it’s becoming a popularity contest anymore. It’s the same reason Coughlin isn’t in. Only a matter of time before the HOF is a complete joke just like the Pro Bowl
Transparently, he’s not in because he really doesn’t have accolades outside of the 2 rings. While very very important, it’s gonna be hard to convince a lot of voters to get him asap when he has no all-pros, no seasons leading the league, and only 4 pro-bowls.
Simple. He’s just not big enough to be a Hall of Fame. Where would you put all of the player’s busts?
Because we are an awful franchise and dragged him to a .500 w/l
cause of the Haters
I mean he might get it based on rings and last name but the HOF isn’t exactly some great objective bastion of merit as we saw with Belichick’s snub so who gives a shit
Eventually.
Because he was a good quarterback but not an all-time legend and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Great question.
TBH his regular season track record is complicated to evaluate. Some believe he was overrated and others might believe he was the steadying force that got the most out some very marginal teams. Personally, I tend to agree with the latter more.
When Eli retired he was in the TOP 7 of ALL TIME in every major QB stat category. Thats HOF worthy. He was literally number 7 in every category.
He was never the best qb in the league at any time. He was rarely a top 3 or even top 5 in the league.
The argument for him is that he is a great compiler of stats and won 2 super bowls. He’s only in his 3rd year of eligibility coming up. He is not a slam dunk case.
He has only ever lead the NFL in any stat 3 times. Interceptions thrown. In 3 different years.
His entire argument for a HOF case is 2007 and 2011. Which i think is ultimately enough but he probably should wait a while.
Because his Super Bowl wins weren’t even against a hall of fame coach
Why is he not a lamp
incredibly mediocre regular season quarterback. Literally .500. Clutchest player ever though and he’s a hofer in our hearts
Is there any Phillip Rivers HoF talk? I can’t imagine there is. But aside from 2 SBs, his numbers were better than Eli’s & he did not lead the NFL in INTs 3 times. (Admittedly, I’m of the camp that believes the DEs should have won both SB MVPs.)
I genuinely couldn’t give a shit about the hall anymore. Lost all credibility when Belichick didn’t make it in first ballot.
How many Hall of fame calliber offensive players did he play with? Not many especially in the down years 2012 on, no offensive line , no play makers. After Odell, who on offense? His durability is the most surprising stat to his credit, didn’t have an offensive line for the last 10 years of his career running for his life on almost every pass play and not a runner to begin with and still stayed healthy.
Because he is a human
People can’t be a hall of fame, mostly.
Perhaps it was those two visits to a Florida ” massage parlor” on consecutive days. That didn’t sit well with HOF voters.
Oops. Sorry. Thst was Robert Kraft.
Because he was a .500 QB with good counting stats who was never one of the 5 best QBs when he played, but he also has 2 Super Bowl MVPs but no other playoff wins.
Because the voters and the media are haters, next question.
regular season ho hum, not in playoffs for over 50% of his career, “good eli and bad eli”, and his peer group happens to be all all timers, with better reg season stats, better throwing stats, and more playoff appearances.
his important numbers are worse than russel wilson numbers. does russel wilson deserve hall of fame? even if he had that second ring?
the argument FOR eli is that his super bowls were both historic. the last two proved that not all SB’s are historic. Rberger proved that in his career.
so that’s the argument we must make. whereas a player like dan marino was so dominant in the reg season that his inability to complete a championship run was immaterial to how historic his impact was, eli is the opposite.
Eli was so average during the regular season but the two championships that he completed are indelibly historic. he is inextricably tied to the greatest QB of our era. you can’t tell brady’s story without eli. those wins make brady’s legacy more important than it was, and to deny him hall of fame is to flout how he will always be talked about.
At no point in his career was he a top ten QB. A lot of people, including myself, believe you should be judged more against your peers and the era you play in, versus All-Time
I’m as big an Eli fan as anybody but the argument against against him are painfully obvious, and any Eli hater will gladly regurgitate them for you on command if you ask them.
1 .500 regular season record
2 84.4 career passer rating
3 Led league in ints 3 times
4 Didn’t win any playoff games outside of 2011 and 2007
5 Had great defensive support for 2 playoff runs
These things are all true and are undeniably strong arguments against him. The counter-arguments are that he had mostly shit rosters, revolving door of coaches, carried the 2011 team to the playoffs, played clean football in those playoff runs with not much run support which allowed the defenses to get more stops and was a clutch master, and his iron-man run / counting stats.
I think he should get in but I’ll be honest it makes us look glaringly biased when we act dumbfounded that people argue against Eli being in the hall.
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He will be in due time
He played 4 seasons too long.
He should be and he will be.
The system is clearly flawed when fucking Bellichick doesn’t make first ballot.
He will be eventually. Can ask/answer the same about Bill B
Because there were long stretches where he was ass. I think that’s the reason, idk.
I think this stats and the 2 rings should be enough to get him in, but we can’t ignore the fact that he was objectively bad sometimes.
1) The bar for entry is now much higher over the last 2 years because of how they changed the voting process. The induction classes are much smaller so inevitably people are going to be left out.
2) Eli only had maybe 3-4 seasons (2009, 2011, 2014, 2015) where he could be considered a great QB before January. And as good as his postseason resume is, those wins all came in 2 years. They were 1 and done every other time he made the playoffs.
3) You could make a good case that him wanting to stay a Giant his whole career hurt his resume. Eli really should’ve been gone after 2017. He didn’t work for the Giants anymore and the Giants didn’t work for him. If he had gone to a better team that just needed a QB, he might’ve been able to win more games and make another run.
I think Eli will get in eventually, but his oldest daughter will be in college or just graduated when it happens. And I don’t think it’s even the biggest travesty with this franchise that Eli isn’t in – Coughlin is more deserving and has been eligible for even longer, Strahan was passed over once, and Harry Carson had to wait over a decade. Those 3 actually ARE outrageous.
haters
Because it’s becoming a popularity contest anymore. It’s the same reason Coughlin isn’t in. Only a matter of time before the HOF is a complete joke just like the Pro Bowl
Transparently, he’s not in because he really doesn’t have accolades outside of the 2 rings. While very very important, it’s gonna be hard to convince a lot of voters to get him asap when he has no all-pros, no seasons leading the league, and only 4 pro-bowls.
Simple. He’s just not big enough to be a Hall of Fame. Where would you put all of the player’s busts?
Because we are an awful franchise and dragged him to a .500 w/l
cause of the Haters
I mean he might get it based on rings and last name but the HOF isn’t exactly some great objective bastion of merit as we saw with Belichick’s snub so who gives a shit
Eventually.
Because he was a good quarterback but not an all-time legend and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Great question.
TBH his regular season track record is complicated to evaluate. Some believe he was overrated and others might believe he was the steadying force that got the most out some very marginal teams. Personally, I tend to agree with the latter more.
When Eli retired he was in the TOP 7 of ALL TIME in every major QB stat category. Thats HOF worthy. He was literally number 7 in every category.
He was never the best qb in the league at any time. He was rarely a top 3 or even top 5 in the league.
The argument for him is that he is a great compiler of stats and won 2 super bowls. He’s only in his 3rd year of eligibility coming up. He is not a slam dunk case.
He has only ever lead the NFL in any stat 3 times. Interceptions thrown. In 3 different years.
His entire argument for a HOF case is 2007 and 2011. Which i think is ultimately enough but he probably should wait a while.
Because his Super Bowl wins weren’t even against a hall of fame coach
Why is he not a lamp
incredibly mediocre regular season quarterback. Literally .500. Clutchest player ever though and he’s a hofer in our hearts
Is there any Phillip Rivers HoF talk? I can’t imagine there is. But aside from 2 SBs, his numbers were better than Eli’s & he did not lead the NFL in INTs 3 times. (Admittedly, I’m of the camp that believes the DEs should have won both SB MVPs.)
I genuinely couldn’t give a shit about the hall anymore. Lost all credibility when Belichick didn’t make it in first ballot.
How many Hall of fame calliber offensive players did he play with? Not many especially in the down years 2012 on, no offensive line , no play makers. After Odell, who on offense? His durability is the most surprising stat to his credit, didn’t have an offensive line for the last 10 years of his career running for his life on almost every pass play and not a runner to begin with and still stayed healthy.
Because he is a human
People can’t be a hall of fame, mostly.
Perhaps it was those two visits to a Florida ” massage parlor” on consecutive days. That didn’t sit well with HOF voters.
Oops. Sorry. Thst was Robert Kraft.
Because he was a .500 QB with good counting stats who was never one of the 5 best QBs when he played, but he also has 2 Super Bowl MVPs but no other playoff wins.
Because the voters and the media are haters, next question.
regular season ho hum, not in playoffs for over 50% of his career, “good eli and bad eli”, and his peer group happens to be all all timers, with better reg season stats, better throwing stats, and more playoff appearances.
his important numbers are worse than russel wilson numbers. does russel wilson deserve hall of fame? even if he had that second ring?
the argument FOR eli is that his super bowls were both historic. the last two proved that not all SB’s are historic. Rberger proved that in his career.
so that’s the argument we must make. whereas a player like dan marino was so dominant in the reg season that his inability to complete a championship run was immaterial to how historic his impact was, eli is the opposite.
Eli was so average during the regular season but the two championships that he completed are indelibly historic. he is inextricably tied to the greatest QB of our era. you can’t tell brady’s story without eli. those wins make brady’s legacy more important than it was, and to deny him hall of fame is to flout how he will always be talked about.
At no point in his career was he a top ten QB. A lot of people, including myself, believe you should be judged more against your peers and the era you play in, versus All-Time
I’m as big an Eli fan as anybody but the argument against against him are painfully obvious, and any Eli hater will gladly regurgitate them for you on command if you ask them.
1 .500 regular season record
2 84.4 career passer rating
3 Led league in ints 3 times
4 Didn’t win any playoff games outside of 2011 and 2007
5 Had great defensive support for 2 playoff runs
These things are all true and are undeniably strong arguments against him. The counter-arguments are that he had mostly shit rosters, revolving door of coaches, carried the 2011 team to the playoffs, played clean football in those playoff runs with not much run support which allowed the defenses to get more stops and was a clutch master, and his iron-man run / counting stats.
I think he should get in but I’ll be honest it makes us look glaringly biased when we act dumbfounded that people argue against Eli being in the hall.