{"id":660869,"date":"2026-04-03T14:20:18","date_gmt":"2026-04-03T14:20:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/660869\/"},"modified":"2026-04-03T14:20:18","modified_gmt":"2026-04-03T14:20:18","slug":"salvador-perez-is-out-here-to-prove-framing-has-always-been-a-farce","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/660869\/","title":{"rendered":"Salvador Perez is out here to prove framing has always been a farce"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Since forever, the skills that made a good catcher were consistent: the ability to control the run game, the ability to manage a pitching staff, the ability to block pitches, the ability to call a good game.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">But then the sabermetric revolution happened, a revolution that was obsessed with measurable metrics. And around the same time, we got PITCHf\/x data, which showed us the objective location of pitches. Combine that with the fallibility of human officiating, and we collectively put two and two and two together: catchers should try to convince umpires that balls were strikes, and we should incorporate how good catchers were at that into our evaluation of them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">This has always been a problem for Salvador Perez, who was and continues to be excellent at all the traditional catching metrics but not-so-excellent at pitch framing. The gulf is gigantic, and it manifests itself in Wins Above Replacement. Whereas Fangraphs\u2019 version of WAR includes pitcher framing, Baseball-Reference\u2019s version does not. Salvy\u2019s career fWAR is a remarkably low 19.0, while his bWAR is 35.8\u2014a whopping 88% higher.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The framing value debate is a the center of Salvy\u2019s Hall of Fame discussion, because voting a 20ish-WAR catcher in the Hall is worlds different than voting a 40ish-WAR catcher. Unfortunately for Salvy, lots of people think that pitch framing is important, and that means that a lot of people won\u2019t vote for him when, in their eyes, he genuinely isn\u2019t a very good catcher based on the total value he brings.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">I\u2019ve long thought that this was, to be blunt, stupid. I recognize that turning balls into strikes results in real, tangible run value. But you know who\u2019s job it is to turn balls into strikes? The pitcher, that\u2019s who. You know who\u2019s job it is to call balls and strikes? The umpire, that\u2019s who. We should not credit or debit a third party (the catcher) for managing to trick the umpire into doing their job worse.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Especially because Salvy knows the zone. He knows it very well. He knows it so well, in fact, that in his first opportunity in the new ABS system that he knows it better than the ump\u2014or well, so it seemed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">On Opening Day, Salvy successfully overturned three challenges from umpire Doug Eddings, all at just about the same spot at the bottom of the zone. He started off the year with four consecutive successful challenges. While he\u2019s not perfect now, it has been immediately apparent that Salvy is really good at knowing the zone.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The haters might say that the knowing the zone doesn\u2019t matter and it\u2019s about convincing the umpire that he doesn\u2019t know the zone, to which I say\u2014do you hear yourself? What are we doing?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Look: I think the Salvador Perez Hall of Fame case is really interesting, and I\u2019m not even arguing that he for suresies should eventually get in. Salvy has longetivity and all sorts of counting stats, like home runs and hits and RBIs and Gold Gloves and Silver Sluggers. But he\u2019s only been in the top 10 of MVP voting once, and he\u2019s never even had a top-five finish. Do we reward being consistently good as much as being game-changingly great for a shorter period of time? That\u2019s an interesting argument!<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">What is not an interesting argument is that Perez shouldn\u2019t be in because of framing. Ugh. Gag me. I hope Salvy establishes himself as the most effective catcher in the ABS era, and I hope I never have to hear about framing ever again.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Since forever, the skills that made a good catcher were consistent: the ability to control the run game,&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":660870,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_share_on_mastodon":"0"},"categories":[2387],"tags":[5,936,2123,55,77357,2596,2595,4,252,39420],"class_list":{"0":"post-660869","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-kansas-city-royals","8":"tag-baseball","9":"tag-kansas","10":"tag-kansas-city","11":"tag-kansas-city-royals","12":"tag-kansas-city-royals-analysis","13":"tag-kansascity","14":"tag-kansascityroyals","15":"tag-mlb","16":"tag-royals","17":"tag-royals-editorials-reactions"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/channels.im\/@mlb\/116341219335980110","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/660869","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=660869"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/660869\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/660870"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=660869"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=660869"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=660869"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}