{"id":676909,"date":"2026-04-16T12:45:49","date_gmt":"2026-04-16T12:45:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/676909\/"},"modified":"2026-04-16T12:45:49","modified_gmt":"2026-04-16T12:45:49","slug":"looking-at-defenders-based-on-effort-and-smoothness","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/676909\/","title":{"rendered":"Looking at defenders based on effort and smoothness"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">This has been a very interesting season already. Things have gone badly, specifically the pitching, but the \u201cimportant\u201d parts of the team have mostly been on track. Jordan Walker appears to have broken out, JJ Wetherholt is as advertised if not frankly better with his defensive results, and the late inning combo of Riley O\u2019Brien and JoJo Romero are looking mighty appealing to opposing teams if the Cardinals decide to deal them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">On the bad side, I\u2019ll single out Matthew Liberatore as one of the important parts decidedly not going well. He\u2019s been my biggest disappointment. It\u2019s only four starts, but he\u2019s not missing any bats. Michael McGreevy is pretty much going as planned. Dustin May still has ugly stats, but now has two consecutive good starts and his stats will be better when his BABIP against isn\u2019t over .400. I don\u2019t really think Kyle Leahy or Andre Pallante are in the long term plans so their struggles aren\u2019t problematic for the future to me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">On the hitting side, I\u2019d pretty much limit it to Nolan Gorman, who makes it hard to believe in his bat. He\u2019s not the only one struggling, but the others either seeem unlucky (Masyn Winn) or they just don\u2019t have a ticking clock (Nathan Church). This is Gorman\u2019s final shot on the Cardinals. And like last year, the problem isn\u2019t that he is striking out &#8211; that comes with the territory &#8211; it\u2019s that his power is gone. He needs elite power. He hasn\u2019t had it since 2023. That\u2019s why it\u2019s hard to believe in his bat.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">However, the early returns on his defense are very promising, to the point where a Ryan McMahon type &#8211; closer to an average hitter and with worse defense than McMahon &#8211; is more a possibility than I would have assumed. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s likely, but if Gorman can be an above average defender at 3B &#8211; it changes what his bat needs to be. Which is very important, because it\u2019s looking increasingly less likely that Gorman will be much more than an average hitter.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">He wouldn\u2019t be playing 3B, but an interesting thought experiment is if Brendan Donovan was in the lineup instead of Gorman. The 2026 team would certainly be better, though it\u2019s unfair to judge it that way, because we\u2019re not going to see the benefits immediately. However, it might surprise some of you &#8211; imagine in this hypothetical that Donovan literally plays 3B &#8211; that, by the small sample defense that we have, it would be a HUGE downgrade in defense.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Yeah that\u2019s right. Donovan has been used exclusively as a third baseman for the Seattle Mariners and he\u2019s been awful defensively. Coming into the season, he played almost as much RF as he had played 3B and if you don\u2019t remember him playing RF, he played one inning combined his last two seasons in St. Louis. So as a result, Donovan has been -4 OAA at 3B. Gorman has been +2. It is April 15. That is a crazy huge disparity 20 games into the season.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">But it bring up a concept that I\u2019ve thought about before. Donovan isn\u2019t actually that good of a defender, but he looks like he is. I tried to figure out why. And I think I did. Donovan is a high effort defender, he goes all out to make the plays he can make. Mentally, I think we give him credit for plays he doesn\u2019t make because he almost made them. A diving stop, but the runner\u2019s safe. He also doesn\u2019t have a ton of range, so he\u2019ll make diving plays that some other fielders don\u2019t have to dive for.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Which gave me the idea for this post. I\u2019m workshopping this idea, so it might not even fit like I\u2019m hoping it does. But it\u2019s more of a descriptor of a defender. Essentially, I came up with three categories to help describe what type of defender a player is. The first category is effort, which is less meant as a judgment call on how hard a player is trying and more \u201chow it looks.\u201d Nationals budding star James Wood is a low effort defender, not because I think he isn\u2019t trying hard to catch it, but because he looks like he\u2019s barely trying. He just has resting bored face. Nick Castellanos is low effort because he isn\u2019t trying hard defensively. He basically admitted as much.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The second category is smoothness. Sometimes this goes hand-in-hand with effort. A smooth player may not look like they\u2019re trying very hard. You can probably reinterpret this as how easy do they make defense look. Even if we know we would never be able to make that play, that doesn\u2019t mean the player doesn\u2019t make it look easy. Masyn Winn makes defense look easy. Brendan Donovan does not make defense look easy. Masyn Winn is smooth. Donovan is clumsy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The third category is more objective, or at least should be, which is simply how good they actually are. Pretty straightforward. Use the best defensive data you have at the time and determine if they are a good or bad defender or in between. That\u2019s the other thing. It\u2019s a sliding scale. Most players are in the middle. Most players aren\u2019t really clumsy or smooth, and most players aren\u2019t high effort or low effort.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Here\u2019s the part I\u2019m really workshopping. Coming up with names for each of these types. I think just naming it after the prototypical example is kind of boring, but I\u2019m not clever enough to come up with a nice punchy name for all of these. So you\u2019ll get my best effort.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The high effort, clumsy, bad defender<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Gold Standard: Jose Martinez<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Did Jose Martinez motivate the name? Absolutely. But also I feel like being a tall and awkward dude is kind of a prerequisite for being in this category. Before this season, Jordan Walker fit. Just tall guys who don\u2019t quite know how to move in their own body. I\u2019m struggling to think of a small guy where this fits. But these are also obviously bad defenders, and teams put up with them because they have power or power potential and well small guys don\u2019t tend to have power.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The high effort, smooth, bad defender<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The Gold Standard: Bo Jackson<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Bo Jackson is a little bit before my time, but I\u2019ve seen some clips and I certainly am not capable of coming up with a better example. A smooth and high effort defender was a tough combo for me to think of. But Bo Jackson rated as a bad fielder, admittedly from defensive stats that are not perfect. But in the equivalent of four seasons of defensive innings in the outfield, spread between all three positions, Jackson averaged -5 DRS per season. His numbers in CF and RF do drag down the numbers, so I am being unfair here.<\/p>\n<p>The Perpetual Jersey Stain<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The high effort, bad defender<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The Gold Standard: Aaron Miles<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The beautiful thing about finding the perfect example of the type of defender I\u2019m trying to describe is that I almost don\u2019t need to say any more. These are typically middle infield types, bench players, who are always called gritty and somehow begin the game with dirt all over their uniforms. Managers used to love them. Another word used for this player was utility, which before Ben Zobrist, was basically code for bad at all the positions, but he can sure stand there.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The high effort, clumsy average defender<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The Gold Standard: Brendan Donovan<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">I don\u2019t know that Donovan is the gold standard, but he motivated this post so I\u2019m going to give it to him. These tend to be the defenders most overrated by a broadcast team or even fans, mostly because we don\u2019t tend to notice they have less range than their counterparts, though they might provide a decent amount of defensive highlights. If you can remember seeing a lot of highlights from a defender but notice their numbers end up average-ish, they might belong here.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The high effort, clumsy good defender<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Gold Standard: Jordan Walker<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Yes, this is wishful thinking. I can\u2019t call Walker a good defender yet. But if he becomes a good defender, he will definitely be the gold standard. Walker strikes me as a guy who is always going to be clumsy and it does not seem like outfield defense comes naturally to him, but with his arm and speed, he can overcome those two things to be a good defender. It\u2019s not like corner outfielder sets an impossible standard. Why Don Knotts? I mean\u2026. high effort, very clumsy comic actor, perhaps the best version of that has ever existed. This is my favorite name.<\/p>\n<p>Half-shirt, full extension<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The high effort, smooth good defender<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The Gold Standard: Jim Edmonds<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">I know Edmonds is accussed of slowing down to make diving plays, but I would argue even if that were true, the appearance of high effort is there. And his numbers ended up good in the end, so I do not care. I can\u2019t take credit for the name. It was on an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vivaelbirdos.com\/2015\/7\/6\/8900579\/half-shirt-full-extension-the-shirt-a-cardscare-fundrasier-part-ii\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">old VEB T-shirt<\/a> for a Cardinals Care fundraiser.<\/p>\n<p>A First baseman\u2019s glove<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The high effort, smooth okay defender<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The Gold Standard: Late Cardinals era Paul Goldschmidt<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">There\u2019s not a specific example except broadly speaking, I would describe it as once elite defenders who still look smooth, but their advanced stats declined. I don\u2019t really think Paul Goldschmidt looked any different at the end and yet he sandwiched a +3 season with a -5 and 0 oAA seasons.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The Gold Standard: Adam Dunn<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Dunn played in the National League for the first 10 years of his career, and while it didn\u2019t start off egregiously bad, wow did his defense get to some remarkable lows. It was honestly so bad that it\u2019s impossible to imagine he really tried that hard at defense. He knew as long as he could hit 40+ home runs, which he did five straight years, teams would accept his bad defense. He played his last four years in the AL, which was also when he stopped being a great hitter.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Low effort, clumsy, bad defender<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The Gold Standard: Oneil Cruz<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">He wasn\u2019t a particularly good defender at SS, but this description fits him of CF. Actually his numbers aren\u2019t as bad as you\u2019d think but wow are the lowlight clips really bad. It actually depends on what you use because DRS really didn\u2019t like Cruz last year. Doesn\u2019t like him this year either, but for now OAA has joined the club.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Low effort, smooth, bad defender<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Gold Standard: Gary Sheffield<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Gary Sheffield has admittedly to playing worse while on the Brewers on purpose so he could be traded. But honestly, he has some truly impressively bad defensive season littered throughout his career. He just might be the worst defensive outfielder of all time. If that sounds hyperbolic, his fielding runs above average was -205.4 on Fangraphs for his career. That is not position-adjusted. At an average of 1,100 innings played per season, that means Sheffield averaged being a -12 runs below average defender for his career career. I don\u2019t know if he\u2019s actually smooth, but I wanted to get his name on here.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Low effort, smooth, good defender<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Gold Standard: Manny Machado<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">I named it the hot corner, because I kind of think this is the only position where you can look like you\u2019re not trying, but still be smooth. He\u2019s here basically because of those plays he makes where he\u2019s in foul territory, and basically chucks it as quick as he can, but it\u2019s somehow right on the money. But just in general, there\u2019s something about third baseman just casually making a great play. Outfielders have to sprint for their great plays and middle infielders have to cover more ground.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Low effort, good defender<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Gold Standard: Paul DeJong<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">He\u2019s here for two reasons and neither reason is because I think DeJong didn\u2019t try. He very clearly did because he went from a 3B to a good defender at SS. But he\u2019s here because he has permanent \u201cI didn\u2019t get enough sleep last night\u201d face and because he wasn\u2019t a big highlight reel defender. He made his ground making the plays he needed to make.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Okay, this article took me a lot longer than I thought it was, because it was harder to come up with names than I expected, so I\u2019ll crowdsource the rest of this concept. If you have a player that comes to mind for either a category I\u2019ve already listed, or a category I didn\u2019t get to, I feel like it\u2019d produce some good results. As you can see, average effort categories are missing. But that leaves a lot of room to play with since\u2026. you don\u2019t have to speculate on effort. (Or have a good reason they look like they are low effort). And if you have a fun name for that category, definitely will get better names than I would get.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"This has been a very interesting season already. 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