{"id":701296,"date":"2026-05-17T11:48:15","date_gmt":"2026-05-17T11:48:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/701296\/"},"modified":"2026-05-17T11:48:15","modified_gmt":"2026-05-17T11:48:15","slug":"put-willie-mays-shohei-ohtani-on-mlbs-mt-rushmore-but-whos-better","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/mlb\/701296\/","title":{"rendered":"Put Willie Mays, Shohei Ohtani on MLB\u2019s Mt. Rushmore, but who\u2019s better"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img alt=\"Longtime Giants center fielder Willie Mays and Dodgers designated hitter and starting pitcher\u00a0Shohei Ohtani have their strengths, and Bruce Jenkins says both deserve to go on a baseball\u00a0Mount Rushmore.\" loading=\"eager\" fetchpriority=\"high\"   style=\"aspect-ratio:3 \/ 2\" class=\"x100 y100 opc bgpc ofcv bgscv block bg-gray200 mnh0px fill\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Longtime Giants center fielder Willie Mays and Dodgers designated hitter and starting pitcher\u00a0Shohei Ohtani have their strengths, and Bruce Jenkins says both deserve to go on a baseball\u00a0Mount Rushmore.<\/p>\n<p>AP Photo, Brandon Sloter\/Getty Images<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/bryce-eldridge\/\" data-link=\"native\" class=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bryce Eldridge<\/a> had quite the educational at-bat during his first visit to Dodger Stadium. Facing Shohei Ohtani in the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/sports\/giants\/\" data-link=\"native\" class=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">San Francisco Giants<\/a>\u2019 third game of the series Wednesday night, he had the assignment of figuring out which of Ohtani\u2019s seven-pitch assortment would be coming his way.<\/p>\n<p>It could have been any of them. Ohtani makes his choices oblivious to the count. And with two strikes, Eldridge had no chance\u00a0\u2014 as would just about any other hitter in the game\u00a0\u2014 whiffing on a splitter that simply vanished on its way to the dirt.<\/p>\n<p>Forever shocking, if not downright implausible: This is a pitcher who has hit 55 homers in a season. Who has led the league in RBIs, runs scored, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, OPS and total bases \u2014 often more than once, with a remarkable ability to come through in the big moments. So there\u2019s no question about the greatest player in baseball history.<\/p>\n<p class=\"uiTextSmall f aic jcc\">Article continues below this ad<\/p>\n<p>I just wonder if there\u2019s still room for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/willie-mays\/\" data-link=\"native\" class=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Willie Mays<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/sports\/giants\/article\/giants-plan-bryce-eldridge-asks-ready-bench-22252649.php\" data-link=\"native\" class=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><img alt=\"The Giants\u2019 Bryce Eldridge celebrates after hitting a solo home run, the first of his career, during the fifth inning of Saturday\u2019s game against the Pirates at Oracle Park.\" loading=\"lazy\"   style=\"aspect-ratio:3 \/ 2\" class=\"x100 y100 opc bgpc ofcv bgscv block bg-gray200 mnh0px fill\"\/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/sports\/giants\/article\/giants-still-trade-luis-arraez-sweet-swing-22245188.php\" data-link=\"native\" class=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><img alt=\"Giants second baseman Luis\u00a0Arraez, high-fiving teammates in the dugout after scoring in a win over the Padres on Monday, has set an example for his teammates on field and off.\" loading=\"lazy\"   style=\"aspect-ratio:3 \/ 2\" class=\"x100 y100 opc bgpc ofcv bgscv block bg-gray200 mnh0px fill\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is not to diminish Ohtani\u2019s greatness in any way, rather to elevate him onto baseball\u2019s Mount Rushmore. Granted, these opinions get a little tedious, especially when it\u2019s something like \u201cThe Mount Rushmore of salad dressings.\u201d Baseball, the province of grand tradition, makes for a worthy discourse.<\/p>\n<p>San Francisco Chronicle Logo<\/p>\n<p>Make us a Preferred Source to get more of our news when you search.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/preferences\/source?q=sfchronicle.com\" data-link=\"native\" role=\"button\" aria-label=\"Add Preferred Source\" class=\"td300 cp f aic jcc disabled:cd wsn px24 y40px px16 py8 buttonSm fs13 xs:fs16 xs:buttonLg bg-primaryAccessible hover:o80 c-white disabled:bg-gray300 disabled:c-gray600 border bn tac br2\"><\/p>\n<p>Add Preferred Source<\/p>\n<p><\/a><\/p>\n<p>So I submit these four: Babe Ruth for pioneering the long ball and lifting the game into the nation\u2019s consciousness. Jackie Robinson for his life-changing social relevance. Ohtani for truly mastering the sport. And Mays as the game\u2019s greatest ballplayer.<\/p>\n<p class=\"uiTextSmall f aic jcc\">Article continues below this ad<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s a great word, best used as a special compliment. The ballplayer is the consummate hitter, makes great plays in the field, alters games with his baserunning, and has a way about him, bearing no semblance to arrogance or bravado. He just looks the part. You spot him well before the game even starts.<\/p>\n<p>Put it this way: In a sport defined by five specific tools, nobody measures up to Mays.<\/p>\n<p>Hitting: Batting average is hardly the end-all stat, but it fits pretty well here. Ohtani has twice hit over .300, admirable in an era defined by rampant mediocrity. Mays did that 10 times in 12 years, including years of .345 and .347, and he averaged .301 (to Ohtani\u2019s current .280) over a 23-year career.<\/p>\n<p>Hitting for power: Ohtani is coming off a three-year run of 44, 54 and 55 homers, and Mays never matched that. But he was relentless, hitting 660 for his career, and questions have arisen about Ohtani\u2019s longevity. The Dodgers have taken to removing him from the DH slot on the night he pitches, and he\u2019s in a very awkward-looking slump at the moment. That could change in a big hurry, but Mays has to own the edge here.<\/p>\n<p>Baserunning: Ohtani is a huge man who runs like the wind, and in his best season, two years ago, he stole 59 bases while being caught just four times. But he blows hot and cold on the bases, for understandable reasons. Mays is probably the most exciting, influential baserunner who ever lived, truly feared for that reason alone, and he led the league in steals four years in a row.<\/p>\n<p class=\"uiTextSmall f aic jcc\">Article continues below this ad<\/p>\n<p>Fielding: Ohtani doesn\u2019t play in the field beyond the pitcher\u2019s mound, let alone every day, so forget about this one. He\u2019d likely be a textbook-fine outfielder if that was his calling. But Mays dominated games with his fielding, covering preposterous amounts of ground and making some of the most spectacular catches ever witnessed.<\/p>\n<p>Throwing: We\u2019d all love to see Ohtani making deep throws to third from the warning track, or some such thing. It would be a spectacle, no doubt. But Mays\u2019 throwing was otherworldly. To hear teammates and opponents talk, nobody threw with more velocity or accuracy.<\/p>\n<p>Intangibles: Ohtani adds a sixth tool, because he\u2019s also a historically great pitcher, for heaven\u2019s sake. (His ERA at the moment is 0.82.) But Mays adds two: His leadership\u00a0\u2014 a veritable second manager on the field as he guided teammates into proper position\u00a0\u2014 and his flair, as a showman perhaps unmatched among all the greats through history. Ohtani is unerringly quiet, polite and deferential, to his credit as a gentleman. Mays was looking to knock down the doors, with joyous belligerence. The impressions were indelible.<\/p>\n<p>To suggest there\u2019s some sort of monotony to Ohtani\u2019s talent would be a monumental mistake. In the words of ex-Giant outfielder Michael\u00a0Conforto, who spent last season with the Dodgers, \u201cYou don\u2019t want to miss Shohei\u2019s at-bats. You want to be in the dugout. You want to see it in person. That\u2019s kind of what it is being his teammate. You want to be there.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then there was Dodgers teammate Freddie Freeman, himself a hitter of wondrous talent, trying to make sense of Ohtani\u2019s batting during Game 3 of last year\u2019s World Series. As the game pulsated into extra innings, \u201cour starting pitcher,\u201d Freeman said, \u201cgot on base nine times tonight.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"uiTextSmall f aic jcc\">Article continues below this ad<\/p>\n<p>It becomes apparent that there\u2019s no need to choose between Ohtani and Mays, merely to discern. Lucky are those of us who watched them both.<\/p>\n<p>Hang with him<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 No change in our preseason optimism about Giants manager <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/tony-vitello\/\" data-link=\"native\" class=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Tony Vitello<\/a>. He\u2019s a smart guy with presence, an idea of how the game should be played, and a knack for judging people in a crisis. Seems like the players feel he\u2019s a pretty good dude, too, and he\u2019s hardly to blame for a flawed roster that only occasionally makes some noise. No problem here if he\u2019s in for the long haul.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 You look for a familiar face in the third-base coaching box. Whether he\u2019s a stoic old hand (Ron Washington), a borderline comedian (Tommy Lasorda) or a smart-as-hell entertainer who really knows the league (Tim Flannery), you want someone who\u2019s been around. The Giants\u2019 choice, Hector Borg, entered this season without coaching anywhere at the big-league level\u00a0\u2014 and he\u2019s not exactly having a stellar year.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 We heard rumblings last year that despite\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/patrick-bailey\/\" data-link=\"native\" class=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Patrick Bailey<\/a>\u2019s special qualities behind the plate, the Giants weren\u2019t that sold on him defensively\u00a0\u2014 especially if he wasn\u2019t going to hit. Too many dropped throws and passed balls (25) over his first three seasons. It will be interesting to see if Cleveland, a first-place team, gives him an extended look.<\/p>\n<p class=\"uiTextSmall f aic jcc\">Article continues below this ad<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 Very discouraging: Talk that the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/sports\/giants\/article\/giants-still-trade-luis-arraez-sweet-swing-22245188.php\" data-link=\"native\" class=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Giants might attempt to trade<\/a> second baseman <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/luis-arraez\/\" data-link=\"native\" class=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Luis Arraez<\/a> if they\u2019re buried in the standings at the All-Star break. Hey, I don\u2019t care if they\u2019re 0-81. Never trade a genius hitter\u00a0\u2014 there aren\u2019t many left\u00a0\u2014\u00a0 who happens to be a spirited team leader and a surprisingly capable fielder. He\u2019ll be a gift for the fans as long as he\u2019s here.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 The best prospect in the upcoming draft is UCLA\u2019s Roch Cholowsky, and the Giants have an outside shot at landing him with the No. 4 pick. But do they really want another shortstop? Aside from\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/willy-adames\/\" data-link=\"native\" class=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Willy Adames<\/a>, who has many good years left, they have elite prospects Luis Hernandez and Josuar Gonzalez tearing up the Arizona Complex League (each hitting well over .400) and the promising Jhonny Level drawing raves for his numbers (hitting .323 and slugging .534 in 30 games) at Class A San Jose. Just as intriguing are the trade possibilities.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 The most dynamic 1-2 punch among young pitchers in the majors right now: The Milwaukee Brewers with ex-Giant Kyle Harrison, throwing gems every time out (2.09 ERA) and flame-throwing Jacob Misiorowski, who ended his seven-inning masterpiece against San Diego on Wednesday night by striking out Nick\u00a0Castellanos on pitches clocked at 102, 102 and 103 mph.<\/p>\n<p class=\"cci_endnote_contact\" title=\"CCI End Note Contact\">Bruce Jenkins writes the 3-Dot Lounge for the San Francisco Chronicle. 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