{"id":235949,"date":"2025-08-17T13:21:23","date_gmt":"2025-08-17T13:21:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nba\/235949\/"},"modified":"2025-08-17T13:21:23","modified_gmt":"2025-08-17T13:21:23","slug":"makes-sense-to-us-milwaukee-brewers-and-bucks","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nba\/235949\/","title":{"rendered":"MAKES SENSE TO US: MILWAUKEE BREWERS AND BUCKS"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"lead\">Different sports,<br \/>\ndifferent issues, but a common theme emerges&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Frank: The last two Sundays were tough on Milwaukee fans,<br \/>\nwith the Bucks and Brewers getting finished off in four-game sweeps.<\/p>\n<p>Artie: No surprise in the Heat stomping the Bucks, and the<br \/>\nCardinals look darn good, but I can&#8217;t find a lot of optimism right now.<\/p>\n<p>F: The sweep gave the Brewers five straight losses at<br \/>\nhome, and the first happened because John Axford had another disaster against<br \/>\nPittsburgh.<\/p>\n<p>A: He pitched himself out of the eighth-inning job after<br \/>\npitching himself out of the closer&#8217;s job and Jim Henderson into it.<\/p>\n<p>F: Afterwards, Ron Roenicke said something that got me<br \/>\ngoing. The ninth inning is Henderson&#8217;s but he added, \u201cThe other guys, we&#8217;ll<br \/>\nlook at the lineups&#8230; Do it that way whether it&#8217;s the seventh or eighth&#8230; I<br \/>\nknow the players want to be in a role, but sometimes the hitters don&#8217;t match up<br \/>\nwith what you&#8217;re putting out there because you have a guy in a role and you<br \/>\nfeel you&#8217;ve got to pitch him there.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A: Well, duh. File that under \u201cCommon Sense.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>F: How many times do we rant about a manager\u2014not just<br \/>\nRoenicke, but any modern manager\u2014feeling compelled to use three guys to<br \/>\nget the last nine outs, no matter how any of them is pitching or whom they have<br \/>\nto face?<\/p>\n<p>A: At least\u00a0three guys; don&#8217;t forget the<br \/>\none-batter lefties.<\/p>\n<p>F: Managers have an endless pile of stats on specific<br \/>\npitcher-batter matchups. Why not use them instead of going robotic and pushing<br \/>\nthe seventh-inning button, the eighth-inning button&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"PicoRule\" href=\"#\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"email newsletter icon\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nba\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/newsletter-icon.jpg\" style=\"margin: 7px 12px; float: left; width: 100px; height: 73px;\" class=\"PicoRule\"\/><\/a>Stay on top of the news of the day<br \/>&#13;<br \/>\n<a class=\"PicoRule\" href=\"#\">Subscribe<\/a> to our free, daily e-newsletter to get Milwaukee&#8217;s latest local news, restaurants, music, arts and entertainment and events delivered right to your inbox every weekday, plus a bonus Week in Review email on Saturdays.<\/p>\n<p>A: A lot of it is just butt-covering. But it wasn&#8217;t<br \/>\nalways this way. We remember when Goose Gossage or Rollie Fingers would<br \/>\nroutinely go two or three innings.<\/p>\n<p>F: \u201cThe players want to be in a role,\u201d Roenicke said.<br \/>\nWell, who decides there are inning-specific roles in the first place?<\/p>\n<p>A: There&#8217;s only one role for any pitcher: To get people<br \/>\nout.<\/p>\n<p>F: As for the Bucks, well, here we go again. No coach,<br \/>\nno clear idea of how much their roster will change&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>A: This season they outdid themselves, giving up under two<br \/>\ncoaches.<\/p>\n<p>F: Scott Skiles, who basically gave up himself, and his<br \/>\nsurrogate, Jim Boylan.<\/p>\n<p>A: Now comes the hand-wringing debate over who might<br \/>\npossibly turn things around.<\/p>\n<p>F: When John<br \/>\nHammond was asked what the Bucks are looking for, he said, \u201cI think in this day<br \/>\nand age, it seems like you need the coach who can show the player that he cares<br \/>\nand then coach the heck out of him after that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A: Uh, when was there ever a day and age where that wasn&#8217;t<br \/>\nthe right kind of coach?<\/p>\n<p>F: Another entry under \u201cCommon Sense.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A: Hey, we&#8217;re starting to sound like Thomas Paine, minus<br \/>\nthe Revolutionary War.<\/p>\n<p>F: All this assumes that NBA millionaires can be<br \/>\ncoached. Of course personalities differ, and the eternal challenge is finding<br \/>\nthe right mix of empathy and discipline. It seems like any team in any sport<br \/>\nalternates between \u201ceasy\u201d guys and \u201chard\u201d guys.<\/p>\n<p>A: Skiles, with that Junior G-Man scowl, sure qualified<br \/>\nas a hard guy.<\/p>\n<p>F: I guess Boylan wasn&#8217;t much softer.<\/p>\n<p>A: Brandon Jennings is my least-favorite Buck, but<br \/>\nsitting him for long stretches, like the fourth quarter of the playoff finale,<br \/>\nsure didn&#8217;t go over well with the squad.<\/p>\n<p>F: We&#8217;ll have more about the Bucks on the Shepherd&#8217;s website. But the big news<br \/>\nlast week in the NBA\u2014-in all pro sports\u2014was Jason Collins becoming the first<br \/>\nactive player to announce that he is gay.<\/p>\n<p>A: Good for him. Those are the only three words I have<br \/>\nto say on the subject.<\/p>\n<p>F: And the only three that are necessary.<\/p>\n<p>A: Let&#8217;s file that under \u201cCommon Sense\u201d too.<\/p>\n<p>F: Thankfully, the immediate reaction was mostly<br \/>\npositive or neutral\u2014although ESPN&#8217;s Chris Broussard declared that Collins was<br \/>\n\u201cwalking in open rebellion to God.\u201d I&#8217;m wary of people who are so dead-certain<br \/>\nthey know God&#8217;s list of who should repent.<\/p>\n<p>A: All I know is that if there is such a list, I&#8217;m<br \/>\nprobably ahead of Jason Collins on it.<\/p>\n<p>F: It&#8217;s remarkable how quickly Americans&#8217; attitudes have<br \/>\nchanged toward gay rights. Take that senator from Ohio&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>A: Rob Portman, who was on Mitt Romney&#8217;s list for possible<br \/>\nrunning mates.<\/p>\n<p>F: He was staunchly opposed to gay marriage, then did an<br \/>\nabout-face after learning his son is gay.<\/p>\n<p>A: Kinda changes things when an issue suddenly has a<br \/>\nface, ain&#8217;a?<\/p>\n<p>F: Especially a face you love. It&#8217;s happening all over<br \/>\nthe country. People who think they&#8217;ve never known a gay person find out a<br \/>\nrelative or friend or co-worker is \u201cone of them.\u201d Suddenly it&#8217;s easier to say,<br \/>\n\u201cLive and let live.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&#13;<br \/>\n\t&#13;<br \/>\n\t\t&#13;<br \/>\n\t\t\t&#13;<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\tKeep the Shepherd Free<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\tSupport Milwaukee&#8217;s locally owned free weekly magazine.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a class=\"mybutton\" href=\"https:\/\/shepherdexpress.com\/support\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">LEARN MORE<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t&#13;<br \/>\n\t\t\t&#13;<br \/>\n\t\t&#13;<br \/>\n\t&#13;<\/p>\n<p>A: Just common sense.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>AXED AND ANSWERED<\/p>\n<p>A: Tom Paine probably wasn&#8217;t a Brewers fan, but he had<br \/>\nthe perfect line to sum up the weekend.<\/p>\n<p>F: \u201cThese are the times that try men&#8217;s souls.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A: Indubitably, as Tom might say.<\/p>\n<p>F: Axford wound up pitching in the eighth inning again<br \/>\nSunday, but only because the Brewers were down 9-1 at the time. Unfortunately, he<br \/>\nhad no control and gave up a run on two walks and two hits in just a third of<br \/>\nan inning.<\/p>\n<p>A: Relievers cannot walk guys! If you&#8217;re a reliever and<br \/>\nyou walk a guy, goodbye.<\/p>\n<p>F: When Axford left, so did my friends and I. That<br \/>\nwas effective relief! I got home in time to see a little of Roenicke&#8217;s<br \/>\npost-game comments, and he said there are no plans to send Axford to the minors<br \/>\nto fix things.<\/p>\n<p>A: I&#8217;m surprised he didn&#8217;t add, \u201cWe really like him in<br \/>\nthat eighth-inning role where there&#8217;s an eight-run margin. That&#8217;s his spot.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>F: Well, players want to know their roles.<\/p>\n<p>A: Fine. \u201cTonight you&#8217;ll be playing Biff from Death of a Salesman. Here&#8217;s the script.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>F: The ironic thing about Axford&#8217;s disaster against<br \/>\nPittsburgh is that it was one time he didn&#8217;t groove a home-run pitch.<br \/>\nThe one Starling Marte hit for the tying two-run homer was about six inches off<br \/>\nthe ground but he somehow golfed it out.<\/p>\n<p>A: But six homers given up in his first 11 1\/3<br \/>\ninnings\u2014that&#8217;s hefty.<\/p>\n<p>F; Which brings up something I&#8217;ve noticed in the<br \/>\nBrewers&#8217; pitching stats. They went into this week having given up 41 homers in<br \/>\n30 games, the highest total in the National League.<\/p>\n<p>A: That sounds like a throwback to the Ken Macha years<br \/>\nof &#8217;09 and &#8217;10, when guys like Jeff Suppan and Dave Bush and Braden Looper were<br \/>\nwatching their pitches sail far away.<\/p>\n<p>F: In those years the Brewers ranked worst and<br \/>\nnext-to-worst in the league, respectively, in terms of homers allowed. Two<br \/>\nyears ago when they made the playoffs they improved to eighth, but last year<br \/>\nthey were back down to 12th. And now they&#8217;re 15th in a 15-team league.<\/p>\n<p>A: But don&#8217;t homers allowed depend somewhat on where you<br \/>\nplay? And doesn&#8217;t Miller Park have the reputation of being a place where the<br \/>\nballs can fly?<\/p>\n<p>F: I found something on Bill James&#8217; web page that listed<br \/>\nMiller Park as the fourth-most friendly stadium for homers from 2010-&#8217;12,<br \/>\nbehind only Colorado, the White Sox&#8217;s park and Cincinnati. But the quality of<br \/>\nyour pitching staff has to be a factor. Two years ago the Reds were<br \/>\nnext-to-worst in the NL in homers allowed. But in 2012 they were seventh-best.<\/p>\n<p>A: Well, it&#8217;ll be very interesting to see how the Brew<br \/>\nCrew deals with this embarrassment at home. I&#8217;d be a little more concerned if<br \/>\nthey&#8217;d gotten swept by a mediocre team; this Cardinals bunch sure looks strong,<br \/>\nespecially their pitching.<\/p>\n<p>F: The Brewers better recover quickly. After two<br \/>\ninterleague games with Texas at home, they play 10 on the road with the three<br \/>\nteams ahead of them in the NL Central: Cincy, Pittsburgh and then back to St.<br \/>\nLouis.<\/p>\n<p>A: The sweep must have left Roenicke wondering, \u201cWhat<br \/>\nthe heck do I really have here?\u201d They started 2-8, then ripped off nine<br \/>\nstraight wins, and now they start a new week with an \u201cL5\u201d in the \u201cStreak\u201d<br \/>\ncolumn of the standings.<\/p>\n<p>F: Roenicke said that \u201cwhen we play well we can play<br \/>\nwith any team.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A: Well duh again! That&#8217;s true of every team, except<br \/>\nmaybe the Cubs and Astros. Tom Paine would be dazzled by that common sense. But<br \/>\nthe jury&#8217;s still out on the Crew, and it could be out for a while.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>IS STAN THE MAN?<\/p>\n<p>F: The hot name in the Bucks&#8217; coaching search seems to<br \/>\nbe Stan Van Gundy. Is he the obvious choice for you?<\/p>\n<p>A: Not really. I think he&#8217;d be an improvement over<br \/>\nSkiles and Boylan, but I&#8217;m not on any kind of fevered bandwagon.<\/p>\n<p>F: What would be Van Gundy&#8217;s strong points?<\/p>\n<p>A: He&#8217;s coached in some pretty difficult situations&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>F: Most of them connected with Dwight Howard.<\/p>\n<p>A: He seems to be a good \u201cX&#8217;s and O&#8217;s\u201d guy, and I think<br \/>\nthat in terms of discipline he&#8217;s something like Skiles but seems a little more<br \/>\nsane. I think he&#8217;d get along with the players better.<\/p>\n<p>F: Combine discipline with being \u201ca player&#8217;s coach.\u201d<br \/>\nSounds like that common-sense ideal.<\/p>\n<p>A: Van Gundy was certainly tested under fire in Orlando<br \/>\nwith Howard. It seemed pretty clear that Howard got Stan Van fired\u2014and then<br \/>\nasked the Magic for a trade anyway.<\/p>\n<p>F: I don&#8217;t remember much about all that because I try<br \/>\nreal hard to ignore anything that has to do with Howard. I think he&#8217;s just a<br \/>\ndoofus. But didn&#8217;t Van Gundy contribute to a \u201che said, he said\u201d thing in the<br \/>\npress?<\/p>\n<p>A: He does speak his mind, and toward the end it did get<br \/>\npretty testy between him and Howard. But as I recall it he pretty much kept his<br \/>\ncool.<\/p>\n<p>F: I bring it up because however much discipline Skiles<br \/>\nand Boylan tried to lay down, I think they were both pretty hesitant to go<br \/>\npublic about it in the press. My vague perception of Van Gundy is that he&#8217;d be<br \/>\nmore candid about the team&#8217;s problems. Michael Hunt described him as \u201cblunt,<br \/>\noutspoken and sure of himself.\u201d Might that work against his being more of a<br \/>\n\u201cplayer&#8217;s guy\u201d?<\/p>\n<p>A: Yeah, I think he&#8217;d be more open with the press, but<br \/>\nnot necessarily by calling out players. I&#8217;d say he&#8217;d be more vocal in defending<br \/>\nthem from criticism, complaining about the refs, that kind of stuff. And within<br \/>\nthe locker room I think he&#8217;d be better at communicating with the players.<\/p>\n<p>F: Kind of like Roenicke taking over from Macha in 2011,<br \/>\nhuh? The perception was that Macha&#8217;s door just wasn&#8217;t open and Roenicke&#8217;s is.<\/p>\n<p>A: Not that Roenicke is some kind of zany Mr.<br \/>\nSunshine\u2014except in comparison to Macha.<\/p>\n<p>F: The other name that&#8217;s being mentioned with Van<br \/>\nGundy&#8217;s is Kelvin Sampson, the former Bucks assistant.<\/p>\n<p>A: Apart from not being able to keep track of how many<br \/>\nrecruiting phone calls he made, Sampson was a mighty good college coach. And he<br \/>\nsure knows the organization.<\/p>\n<p>F: But the guy he was an assistant to here was Skiles.<br \/>\nMaybe Hammond wants none of that connection.<\/p>\n<p>A: Plus we&#8217;re reading that Sampson had a real close<br \/>\nrelationship with Brandon Jennings. If hiring him would keep Jennings here,<br \/>\nthen I&#8217;d vote for someone else. But no matter what, the Bucks have a lot more<br \/>\nthat needs doing besides hiring a coach.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>BIG TEN PASSES GEOGRAPHY<\/p>\n<p>F: One last topic that I think will make you smile. The<br \/>\nBig Ten has decided that when Rutgers and Maryland join the league in 2014, the<br \/>\nfootball division names of \u201cLeaders\u201d and \u201cLegends\u201d will be dropped.<\/p>\n<p>A: What? Throw all of that three-year tradition out the<br \/>\nwindow?<\/p>\n<p>F: The new divisions of seven teams each will be East<br \/>\nand West.<\/p>\n<p>A: What again? Going to something so obvious, so simple\u2014so,<br \/>\ndare I say it, common-sensical?<\/p>\n<p>F: And the divisions will be geographically correct. The<br \/>\nEast will have Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers,<br \/>\nMaryland and Indiana. And the West will have Wisconsin, Nebraska, Minnesota,<br \/>\nIowa, Northwestern, Illinois and Purdue. It was a close call between Purdue and<br \/>\nIndiana, but West Lafayette is ju-u-u-st a tad farther west than Bloomington.<\/p>\n<p>A: I like it! And not just because the Badgers will lose<br \/>\nthe Buckeyes as a division rival after this season. It just makes geographic<br \/>\nsense\u2014a lot more than Missouri being in the Southeastern Conference or Utah in<br \/>\nthe Pacific 12, for instance.<\/p>\n<p>F: Or a Milwaukee school being in the Big East?<\/p>\n<p>A: Well, let&#8217;s not get carried away&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Frank Clines covered<br \/>\nsports for The<br \/>\nMilwaukee Journal and the Journal Sentinel. 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