{"id":286507,"date":"2025-08-14T04:10:13","date_gmt":"2025-08-14T04:10:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nfl\/286507\/"},"modified":"2025-08-14T04:10:13","modified_gmt":"2025-08-14T04:10:13","slug":"is-joe-tippmann-more-valuable-to-the-jets-at-center-or-guard-the-answer-is-less-clear-cut-than-you-think-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nfl\/286507\/","title":{"rendered":"Is Joe Tippmann more valuable to the Jets at center or guard? The answer is less clear cut than you think."},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Twenty-eight years ago Aaron Glenn wasn\u2019t the head coach of the New York Jets. He was starting at cornerback.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Bill Parcells was the head coach and general manager. It was his second offseason with with the team. That offseason Parcells made a decision that changed the course of franchise history. He signed Seattle Seahawks center Kevin Mawae in free agency.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The signing of Mawae is a well-known part of Jets lore. He played the best years of a Hall of Fame career in green and white. The year Mawae left the Jets drafted Nick Mangold. This meant the signing of Mawae started an almost two decade run where the Jets had elite level play at the center position.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/1998\/11\/06\/sports\/pro-football-give-the-jets-a-yard-then-beware-of-mawae.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">reason Parcells targeted Mawae in free agency<\/a> is discussed less frequently.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup _1teeyfa8 ls9zuh1\">The first time Mawae met Parcells, earlier this year, the coach told him: \u201cI\u2019m 56. I\u2019m getting old. I\u2019ve won two Super Bowls. I want to win one more.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup _1teeyfa8 ls9zuh1\">And then Parcells explained what major role he had for the center, who was a free agent after four seasons with the Seattle Seahawks.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup _1teeyfa8 ls9zuh1\">\u201cWe want you because you\u2019re going to face Ted Washington twice a year,\u201d Parcells said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">We old timers know Ted Washington was a really good reason to sign Kevin Mawae. (I think I\u2019ve been around long enough to refer to myself as an \u201cold timer.\u201d Right?)<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Washington was a 360 pound mountain of a defensive tackle in the middle of the Buffalo Bills\u2019 3-4 defense.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The 3-4 was growing in popularity in this era, and a player like Washington was the centerpiece of the system.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">A tackle like Ted Washington would line up at nose tackle over the center (or shaded in the gap between the center and one of the guards). For lack of a better description, his job was to essentially dominate the center.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"_1eezmj01\" href=\"https:\/\/platform.ganggreennation.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/86\/2025\/08\/3-4defense.png?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0.50200803212851,0,98.995983935743,100\" data-pswp-height=\"986\" data-pswp-width=\"1479\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\"><img alt=\"\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"w91vxg0\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-image:url(&quot;data:image\/svg+xml;charset=utf-8,%3Csvg xmlns='http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg' %3E%3Cfilter id='b' color-interpolation-filters='sRGB'%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3CfeColorMatrix values='1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 100 -1' result='s'\/%3E%3CfeFlood x='0' y='0' width='100%25' height='100%25'\/%3E%3CfeComposite operator='out' in='s'\/%3E%3CfeComposite in2='SourceGraphic'\/%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3C\/filter%3E%3Cimage width='100%25' height='100%25' x='0' y='0' preserveAspectRatio='none' style='filter: url(%23b);' href='data:image\/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAEAAAABCAQAAAC1HAwCAAAAC0lEQVR42mN8+R8AAtcB6oaHtZcAAAAASUVORK5CYII='\/%3E%3C\/svg%3E&quot;)\"   src=\"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nfl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/3-4defense.png\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">If the center could not block the nose tackle one on one, a guard would need to help on a double team. That meant the guard couldn\u2019t block the guy he was assigned to block. It led to a domino effect of failure for the offense.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Washington was one of the most difficult nose tackles for offense to face in this era, but he wasn\u2019t the only one who caused problems. Teams were adopting the 3-4 all over the league with their own space clogging nose tackles. (And there were some teams who adopted the 3-4 without that space eating nose tackle. A pre-old timer version of John B complained incessantly about Eric Mangini installing a 3-4 when he had nobody better than Dewayne Robertson to play the nose tackle spot).<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The Jets made the Playoffs in half of Mawae\u2019s eight seasons with the team. It is fair to say that having him around to handle elite nose tackles gave the Jets an advantage few teams had in this era.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The space eating nose tackle isn\u2019t exactly extinct in today\u2019s NFL, but he is no longer the centerpiece of a defense.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Defenses have adapted and now favor linemen who can penetrate and get into the backfield. They had to adapt to combat the modern passing game.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Now nobody should think that the center position has become irrelevant in the modern game. I watched a recent three year stretch where the Jets ran Wesley Johnson, Spencer Long, Jonotthan Harrison, and a freshly off his couch Ryan Kalil out at center. The respective poor performances of those players played a big role in sinking Jets offenses.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">I do, however, think it\u2019s fair to say that center play is less important in today\u2019s NFL than it was in Mawae\u2019s era. There aren\u2019t many dominant nose tackles anchoring the middle of the defense line. These days, a defensive lineman <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pff.com\/news\/nfl-prototypical-defensive-linemen-for-each-dl-technique-ahead-of-the-2022-season\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">is setting up directly across from center<\/a> less than 5 percent of the time.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Last week the Jets\u2019 starting left guard John Simpson suffered an injury. It kept him out of the team\u2019s preseason opener against the Green Bay Packers.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The Jets moved last year\u2019s starting center Joe Tippmann at left guard and slid in projected backup center Josh Myers in Tippmann\u2019s spot at center.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">I will be honest. When I first heard about this, I wasn\u2019t thrilled. We all have been through the Alijah Vera-Tucker experience. The Jets shifted AVT around four of the five offensive line positions in his first two years in the league. In back to back seasons he suffered a season-ending injury after being shifted from guard to tackle. We can\u2019t say for sure how much changing positions had to do with him suffering injuries. Still, the big takeaway seemed to be don\u2019t move a young lineman after he finds a position where he has success.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Still the more I thought about it, the more I couldn\u2019t shake the idea that perhaps Tippmann\u2019s talents aren\u2019t fully utilized at center. He\u2019s so big and so strong. He could be a legitimate road grating offensive linemen. Yet with this modern shift in defenses, guards get to utilize their one on one blocking skills while centers are typically helping with a double team.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"_1eezmj01\" href=\"https:\/\/platform.ganggreennation.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/86\/2025\/08\/centerguard.png?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0,0,100,100\" data-pswp-height=\"680\" data-pswp-width=\"1396\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\"><img alt=\"\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"w91vxg0\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-image:url(&quot;data:image\/svg+xml;charset=utf-8,%3Csvg xmlns='http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg' %3E%3Cfilter id='b' color-interpolation-filters='sRGB'%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3CfeColorMatrix values='1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 100 -1' result='s'\/%3E%3CfeFlood x='0' y='0' width='100%25' height='100%25'\/%3E%3CfeComposite operator='out' in='s'\/%3E%3CfeComposite in2='SourceGraphic'\/%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3C\/filter%3E%3Cimage width='100%25' height='100%25' x='0' y='0' preserveAspectRatio='none' style='filter: url(%23b);' href='data:image\/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAEAAAABCAQAAAC1HAwCAAAAC0lEQVR42mN8+R8AAtcB6oaHtZcAAAAASUVORK5CYII='\/%3E%3C\/svg%3E&quot;)\"   src=\"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nfl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/centerguard.png\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Tippmann did play some guard in his rookie season. Here is a play where he blew open a hole for a long Breece Hall touchdown run.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Of course it would be silly to suggest centers are irrelevant or that a center will never block one on one. However, I do wonder whether the Jets are not fully taking advantage of Tippmann\u2019s blocking abilities by not playing him at guard where he will have more one on one opportunities.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">These days the center position is more about working with the quarterback to make sure the line is blocking the right guys, executing the snap, helping a guard, and picking up a blitzer up the middle.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">If it was still the NFL of 1998, there\u2019s little doubt that Tippmann would be more valuable to the Jets at center.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">It also wouldn\u2019t be a discussion in the world where the Jets had no other viable option to play center. However, they signed Josh Myers, who has 56 starts under his belt this offseason.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Is it possible that an offensive line with Tippmann at left guard and Myers at center would be superior to an offensive line with John Simpson at left guard and Tippmann at center?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Most Jets fans would reflexively say no.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">I think there are three reasons for this.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">First, is the AVT comparison. The Jets had a talented young offensive lineman change positions and was worse for the wear.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">I can understand the trepidation, but what if Tippmann\u2019s skills can have a bigger impact at guard? There are plenty of players who have successfully shifted to a new spot on the offensive line without suffering the AVT outcome (and this is if we even conclude AVT\u2019s injuries were the result of his position changes which is not a sure thing).<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">I think the two other reasons are based on questions Jets fans would ask.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Is John Simpson a quality starter?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Is Joe Tippmann a better center than Josh Myers?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The answer to both is yes.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">These are fair questions, but I\u2019m not sure it\u2019s quite that simple. It\u2019s practically a cliche to say offensive lines function as a unit, and the whole can be greater or less than the parts.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Given the drop in impact the center position has in today\u2019s NFL, would a team be impacted much by dropping from a good starter in Tippmann to an ok starter in Myers?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Is it possible that going from good in Simpson to very good in Tippmann at left guard could add more value than the drop from Tippmann to Myers subtracts?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">I\u2019ll level with you. If I had to choose, I\u2019d still probably say the Jets are better off with the Plan A of Simpson and Tippmann starting with Myers as the top backup on the interior offensive line.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">You might have read this article and be saying to yourself, \u201cAll that, and you conclude the Jets aren\u2019t better off with Tippmann at guard after all?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Yes, but after thinking about the evolution of the center position and Tippmann\u2019s skillset, I feel far less conviction in that opinion than I had a week ago.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"duet--article--comments-link _1jdgahs9\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ganggreennation.com\/new-york-jets-roster\/85160\/is-joe-tippmann-more-valuable-to-the-jets-at-center-or-guard-the-answer-is-less-clear-cut-than-you-think#comments\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Twenty-eight years ago Aaron Glenn wasn\u2019t the head coach of the New York Jets. 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