{"id":425620,"date":"2026-01-24T14:07:24","date_gmt":"2026-01-24T14:07:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/425620\/"},"modified":"2026-01-24T14:07:24","modified_gmt":"2026-01-24T14:07:24","slug":"empty-netters-hosts-respond-to-heated-rivalry-controversy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/425620\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;Empty Netters&#8217; hosts respond to &#8216;Heated Rivalry&#8217; controversy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The mega-virality of the hit HBO Max and Crave show Heated Rivalry has people all across the hockey world talking.<\/p>\n<p>That includes NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, who said he <a href=\"https:\/\/awfulannouncing.com\/nhl\/gary-bettman-binged-heated-rivalry-one-night-very-well-done.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">binged the entire six-episode run in one night<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s no small thing, as <a href=\"https:\/\/awfulannouncing.com\/hbo\/heated-rivalry-lazy-narrative-athletes-coming-out-hockey.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the show about rival professional men\u2019s hockey players<\/a> who begin a passionate, secret romance features sex scenes not for the prudish.<\/p>\n<p>The NHL, and hockey in general, has had a complicated relationship with the LGBTQ+ community over the years, but it appeared that the show had broken through across the sport\u2019s media landscape.<\/p>\n<p>That includes former hockey players and brothers Dan and Chris Powers, the hosts of the popular Empty Netters podcast. The podcast has seen a jolt in recent weeks due to its glowing coverage of the streaming hit. And in doing so, they became the face of straight men who could appreciate the show without being weird about it. Glowing write-ups in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/12\/30\/arts\/podcasts-2025-heavyweight-gilmore.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Vulture<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/culture\/culture-features\/heated-rivalry-hockey-nhl-reputation-lgbtq-fans-inclusion-1235499420\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Rolling Stone<\/a> soon followed.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cTheir support and excitement of Heated Rivalry felt like an important acknowledgment from the hockey community that a queer love story was breaking barriers across demographics,\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/12\/30\/arts\/podcasts-2025-heavyweight-gilmore.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">said The New York Times<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Heated Rivalry was a viewership and financial winner for Empty Netters, too. Viewership of their YouTube videos covering the show was 50 times the channel\u2019s average, often reaching around 500,000 views. The podcast also launched several t-shirts and merch featuring the phrase \u201cFrom the closet to the cottage.\u201d Shirts retail for up to $45.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn1.thecomeback.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/94\/2026\/01\/Emp.jpg\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-841912\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/Emp-1024x271.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"832\" height=\"220\"  \/><\/a>Credit: Empty Netters<\/p>\n<p>Thursday, Outsports Cyd Zeigler <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outsports.com\/2026\/1\/22\/24126217\/empty-netters-heated-rivalry-host-dan-powers-show-trash-podcast\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">published a post that told a very different story<\/a> about Dan Powers and what he thought about Heated Rivalry when no one was looking.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think these losers who made this show are cowards,\u201d Dan wrote in a text message viewed by Zeigler. \u201cThis is the trash they make because it panders, it\u2019s provocative, and it checks inclusivity boxes.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In other texts, Powers wrote that while the show should make \u201cblue haired twitter happy,\u201d he wouldn\u2019t give it \u201cthe time of day\u201d simply \u201cout of principle.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Disappointment about the text messages and the implication that Empty Netters\u2019 appreciation of the show was inauthentic and performative spread across social media.<\/p>\n<p lang=\"en\">feels both depressing and inevitable, and the thing i find most fascinating about it is the decision and then commitment to performing wild enthusiasm anyhow. you hate this, and yet you understand the very real monetary benefit of championing it<br \/>www.outsports.com\/2026\/1\/22\/24\u2026<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/did:plc:s45o2coi53wf55ufwd6r7i7j\/post\/3mczqkh6ahw26?ref_src=embed\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">[image or embed]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Kathryn VanArendonk (<a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/did:plc:s45o2coi53wf55ufwd6r7i7j?ref_src=embed\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">@kvanaren.bsky.social<\/a>) <a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/did:plc:s45o2coi53wf55ufwd6r7i7j\/post\/3mczqkh6ahw26?ref_src=embed\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">January 22, 2026 at 9:47 AM<\/a><\/p>\n<p>On Friday, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/DT2ErEGEqx4\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Empty Netters posted a 17-minute video on its social media channels<\/a>\u00a0addressing the situation and offering a response to the backlash.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWanted to take a second to acknowledge the OutSport piece that came out today,\u201d said Dan Powers. \u201cI know that a ton of people are shocked by this, confused by this, and frustrated by this, and I take that very, very seriously. I want to say that this has caught me completely off guard and frankly, is super disappointing. I just wanted to take a beat to understand everything before addressing you all.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFirst of all, the timeline implied in this article is completely false and inaccurate. It suggests that we were watching this show sending messages like this while at the same time reviewing it and speaking poorly about it, which is completely inaccurate. These messages were sent over a week before we had ever watched the show and before we had ever posted a review.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dan says\u00a0the text messages were sent to another podcaster who is also discussing\u00a0Heated Rivalry on their show, explaining that they were intended as a critique of\u00a0the show as a TV writer.<\/p>\n<p>He also shows the text messages in question and attempts to provide further context behind his comments. Powers claims he was initially turned off by the concept because he went into it expecting a hockey show, not a romance, which he now says was \u201cme being uninformed\u201d because \u201cI hadn\u2019t watched the show yet.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI want to hit on the fact that in those messages, I prefaced all of them by saying \u2018my lame writer take,\u2019 implying and telling my friend \u2018this is my jealous hyperbolic ridiculous take.\u2019 Because anyone who knows me or anyone who watches this podcast knows that I use absurd hyperbolic language to drive home a point.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dan later added that he and his brother came to appreciate the show as they watched it, but admitted it was a bit of a tough sell at first.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf you watch the first episode of our reviews, we don\u2019t even love it yet,\u201d he said. \u201cPeople are asking us to be authentic.\u00a0 Go back and watch episode one. We are authentic. We literally have an award where we\u2019re giving out moments to the \u2018craziest, ridiculous what the hell is happening here\u2019 moment. We weren\u2019t totally sold yet. We were honest with you and authentic. Then we kept watching, and as you all see, and all grew with us and loved with us, we were like, \u2018Holy shit, this isn\u2019t a hockey show, It\u2019s also not just a romance smut show. This show is incredible.\u2019 We grew to love it and expressed that honestly and clearly every single new episode review.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dan pushed back on Zeigler and Outsports\u2019 claim they reached out to him for comment, saying \u201cThat is a lie.\u201d However, he then shared a screenshot of texts from Zeigler reaching out for comment and following up when he didn\u2019t hear anything. Powers added that he only responds to news outlets that reach out \u201cthrough the proper channels.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think it\u2019s a shame because now the people that we enjoyed this wonderful situation and this wonderful moment with are made to feel like they can\u2019t trust what they saw or what we experienced together,\u201d said Powers. \u201cAnd the amazing interactions that we\u2019ve had on the road and the people in our messages and our comments who we genuinely have loved so much and spent our holiday season talking with and sharing these great moments, you\u2019ve now potentially made these people feel like they can\u2019t trust the authenticity and the lovely nature of those moments, and that breaks my heart.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\t<script async src=\"\/\/www.instagram.com\/embed.js\"><\/script><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"The mega-virality of the hit HBO Max and Crave show Heated Rivalry has people all across the hockey&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":425621,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[377],"tags":[52863,22748,22749,34883,5,28613],"class_list":["post-425620","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-hockey","tag-cyd-zeigler","tag-dan-powers","tag-empty-netters","tag-heated-rivalry","tag-hockey","tag-outsports"],"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/channels.im\/@nhl\/115950469218610698","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/425620","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=425620"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/425620\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/425621"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=425620"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=425620"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rawchili.com\/nhl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=425620"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}