Do the orioles plan on being a bottom 5-10 team in terms of payroll for the foreseeable future? Found out today, that in 1998 they had the highest payroll in baseball.
December 7, 2022
Do the orioles plan on being a bottom 5-10 team in terms of payroll for the foreseeable future? Found out today, that in 1998 they had the highest payroll in baseball.
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O’s were up to $147 million in 2016 which was 10th in the league.
Maybe.
John is basically a new owner, the hope is he spends what Peter spent when the team was good, but it’s all guesswork. Nobody here can answer that question definitively.
We’ll need a few years before we can say one way or another. Elias is a Houston Astro disciple, where, they never spent big in FA. Their payroll went up on the backs of acquiring pitchers through trades, and signing their own guys to extensions when they got close to arbitration.
They’re bottom the last few years for a reason, they didn’t need to spend during a rebuild. During the 2014-2016 push they had a top 10 payroll.
I remember back then; the Orioles were always mentioned as a possible landing spot for the top free agents. Then we signed Belle and started using confederate money….
With the miraculous work that has been done to our farm system, there is zero excuse not to spend money now.
If they choose to remain at the bottom of the payroll list while guys like Adley, Gunnar and Grayson are cheap, then they are just exploiting us as fans and don’t deserve people coming out to spend money.
The idea that higher payroll = better team is ridiculous. These “journalists” just want something to talk about and payroll is easy pickings. The Rockies, Red Sox, Rangers, and Angels all spend 100m+ and they all suck. The Mets spend 200m+ but you still expect them to lose because they’re the Mets. Just put a good team together. Who cares how much or how little you spend
No. The Orioles’ payroll right now is from the rebuild and the amount of players that still haven’t reach arbitration. The payroll will really start to increase once those players hit arbitration or sign extensions.
A big thing that happened between now and then is that the Nationals got dropped in their back yard and they lost the most affluent half of the fan base.
In 1998 it helped that 1) they were a playoff team the previous two seasons, 2) they had a fairly old roster with few prospects in the farm system (in other words, they didn’t have many everyday players on cheap contracts), 3) OPACY was still fairly new and most teams hadn’t moved to new, retro ballparks yet, and 4) the Washington Nationals still played in Montreal and were known as the Expos.
Those last two items (as well as #1 for a brief period) really helped their attendance.
And they learned a lesson that year when they placed 4th in the division.
However, historically they aren’t cheap. They’ve always been middle of the pack as spenders, but they’ve always simply spent money on one player…
It’s almost felt like Peter just wanted to spend enough that the fans didn’t complain. Tejada, Roberts, Davis… But they didn’t see the value in spreading it around our making sure the money was spent wisely.
Right now the team is set up perfectly. They could expand the payroll by $100 million and still be profitable and now super competitive. That kind of money spent in 2021 didn’t make any sense because the team still wouldn’t have been competitive, the rebuild still needed to mature.
I’m very interested to see what they do. How much are we calling our minor league talent? Which spots do we think we should improve just by throwing money at it?
10 comments
O’s were up to $147 million in 2016 which was 10th in the league.
Maybe.
John is basically a new owner, the hope is he spends what Peter spent when the team was good, but it’s all guesswork. Nobody here can answer that question definitively.
We’ll need a few years before we can say one way or another. Elias is a Houston Astro disciple, where, they never spent big in FA. Their payroll went up on the backs of acquiring pitchers through trades, and signing their own guys to extensions when they got close to arbitration.
They’re bottom the last few years for a reason, they didn’t need to spend during a rebuild. During the 2014-2016 push they had a top 10 payroll.
I remember back then; the Orioles were always mentioned as a possible landing spot for the top free agents. Then we signed Belle and started using confederate money….
With the miraculous work that has been done to our farm system, there is zero excuse not to spend money now.
If they choose to remain at the bottom of the payroll list while guys like Adley, Gunnar and Grayson are cheap, then they are just exploiting us as fans and don’t deserve people coming out to spend money.
The idea that higher payroll = better team is ridiculous. These “journalists” just want something to talk about and payroll is easy pickings. The Rockies, Red Sox, Rangers, and Angels all spend 100m+ and they all suck. The Mets spend 200m+ but you still expect them to lose because they’re the Mets. Just put a good team together. Who cares how much or how little you spend
No. The Orioles’ payroll right now is from the rebuild and the amount of players that still haven’t reach arbitration. The payroll will really start to increase once those players hit arbitration or sign extensions.
A big thing that happened between now and then is that the Nationals got dropped in their back yard and they lost the most affluent half of the fan base.
In 1998 it helped that 1) they were a playoff team the previous two seasons, 2) they had a fairly old roster with few prospects in the farm system (in other words, they didn’t have many everyday players on cheap contracts), 3) OPACY was still fairly new and most teams hadn’t moved to new, retro ballparks yet, and 4) the Washington Nationals still played in Montreal and were known as the Expos.
Those last two items (as well as #1 for a brief period) really helped their attendance.
And they learned a lesson that year when they placed 4th in the division.
However, historically they aren’t cheap. They’ve always been middle of the pack as spenders, but they’ve always simply spent money on one player…
It’s almost felt like Peter just wanted to spend enough that the fans didn’t complain. Tejada, Roberts, Davis… But they didn’t see the value in spreading it around our making sure the money was spent wisely.
Right now the team is set up perfectly. They could expand the payroll by $100 million and still be profitable and now super competitive. That kind of money spent in 2021 didn’t make any sense because the team still wouldn’t have been competitive, the rebuild still needed to mature.
I’m very interested to see what they do. How much are we calling our minor league talent? Which spots do we think we should improve just by throwing money at it?