Jon Robinson gambles cost the Tennessee Titans and it led to his firing
December 7, 2022
Jon Robinson gambles cost the Tennessee Titans and it led to his firing
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Gambling that Clowney/Beasley would work.
Gambling on an aging Julio
Gambling that he could take projects and turn them into stars: Isaiah Wilson, Caleb Farley, and Dillon Radunz.
Gambling on Robert Woods
Gambling on Aaron Brewer
These things add up over time.
He started hot with the trade for Tannehill, bringing in FAs like Ben Jones, Logan Ryan, and drafting guys like Henry, AJ and Simmons but fizzled out in the last couple of years. His hits early on set a high bar he could not maintain
Edit: trade for Murray as well
But The Ringer claims that it was him not taking risks that did him in đ
Robinson had a great team and foundation set up by 2019, but he kept pushing his chips in with the Julio Trade, Clowney and Beasley, etc, etc. He blew up his own team, crunched his salary cap, and wasted countless picks on players that aren’t even worth rostering after three years.
I will 100% percent eat crow on this Jrob shit. I backed him post after post. If the organization thinks he wasnât good enough then good enough for me.
If this gives Vrabel more control and keeps him here long term then I am even more for it.
I hope we have better luck in the market, cause thats important, but the draft is a crap shoot anyway you twist it:
There was analysis done from 1996-2016 on all teams drafts.
16.7% never play for the team that drafted them. 37% didnât receive significant playing time or didnât make team 15% didnt play well with the time they got 10% considered average playing 2-3 years with good contributions 12% good players who could be medicore but the metric talk about multi year starts 7% great played into a second contract 1% legendary making the hall, multiple all pro teams etc.
Sorry if formatting is off, on mobile at work on lunch.
I poked around a bit and there seems to be something looming (not nefariously, just the final hammer) no one feels comfortable talking about yet/ever. What I mean by that: JRob was likely done after the season’s end and a playoff exit. There is not a ton of strategy to remove him this exact second unless you’ve got major concerns and you feel like he could only do more damage.
PURE speculation: Mom asked JRob to come to her Monday with a plan of what he intended to do the rest of this season and in the off-season, even if we won a Super Bowl. She didn’t like the plan. Or she told him to come back with a different answer and he didn’t have a great one or didn’t want to change his mind. They slept on it, parted ways. JRob is not gonna be thrilled cause that man loved this team and thought he would certainly end the Super Bowl curse so I don’t think he really was in the mood to even say something cordial yesterday.
Edit: And I’ll add this. It was a shock to pretty much everyone. Definitely, something boiled down to a disagreement between Amy and JRob. No Vrabel playing Ohio State rumors, no grand conspiracy. That one is actually pretty funny to be honest.
J Rob took some gambles and decided to let talent leave. Unfortunately almost none of his replacement options actually panned out and especially on the offensive side of the ball, weâve seen a severe regression in just two years. Now because of these bad gambles, weâre looking at being in cap hell (this is before a Simmons extension as well) unless the FO gets pretty creative and idk if I would call it a full rebuild as much as âretooling.â The national media (The Ringer article as a clear example) sees the move as being short sighted because of the AJ Brown games but if you take a couple steps back and look at the big picture and how this roster is currently constructed, weâre in for some lumps coming up pretty soon. The only saving grace is everyone else in the division is still 1-2 years behind and getting an early jump to get our ducks in a row before draft season begins and to get a plan/decisions outlined is a lot better than waiting until we get bounced in the first round and then scramble for a replacement.
After the reading the Ben Solak article from The Ringer. I think if he did a deeper dive into their situation he would’ve came to your resolution.
JRob was a good GM. The issues was his gambles/whiffs came back to bite him in terms roster construction, cap, and picks. And I believe fall back plan on those gambles weren’t sound either.
Ive been saying this for a while J Rob own belief in himself to replace top tier talent was misguided. Hes spent millions and half a draft trying to replace conklin when he could have just resigned him. We drafted a core in corey davis, aj brown and simmons. Instead of wanting to retain that young core and build you trade assets and pay an aging julio, pastor beasely and robert woods. His failures were so big that they interfered with his sustained success. Hes overpaid so many guys that weren’t worth it that you have to tell a Jeffrey simmons the star of the team i have no clue on how im going to pay you.
Summary A quote comes to mind when i think of robinsons tenure: “You know how to gain a victory; you do not know how to use it”
It’s a “what have you done for me lately?” league. I think he’s still capable of being an above average GM in this league, but when everyone in the know keeps asking how Vrabel gets so much out of his team, that’s kind of an indictment on you as a GM.
By Vegas betting line standards, the Titans are consistently out performing expectations. I wouldn’t over index on that, but over a span of several years to me that usually spells out that we have a phenomenal coach who if joined by a phenomenal GM should have this team consistently vying for a superbowl championship not just the playoffs.
I also thought the overall direction of the team in the offseason was weird. It’s like Jrob was trying to do a soft reset of the roster for a team that was the #1 seed last year. You don’t trade a superstar WR (unless you have Pat Mahomes) when you should still be trying to get over the hump to win it all IMO. Full reset for a team going nowhere? I get, but like I said the expectation I would reasonably expect for the Titans this year still have should have been a championship given last year’s success. Trading what would be an expensive piece when you didn’t even find suitable safeguards for other depth pieces on the offense probably rung alarm bells in AAS head like “so what was the point of trading AJ then?”
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Gambling that Clowney/Beasley would work.
Gambling on an aging Julio
Gambling that he could take projects and turn them into stars: Isaiah Wilson, Caleb Farley, and Dillon Radunz.
Gambling on Robert Woods
Gambling on Aaron Brewer
These things add up over time.
He started hot with the trade for Tannehill, bringing in FAs like Ben Jones, Logan Ryan, and drafting guys like Henry, AJ and Simmons but fizzled out in the last couple of years. His hits early on set a high bar he could not maintain
Edit: trade for Murray as well
But The Ringer claims that it was him not taking risks that did him in đ
Robinson had a great team and foundation set up by 2019, but he kept pushing his chips in with the Julio Trade, Clowney and Beasley, etc, etc. He blew up his own team, crunched his salary cap, and wasted countless picks on players that aren’t even worth rostering after three years.
I will 100% percent eat crow on this Jrob shit. I backed him post after post. If the organization thinks he wasnât good enough then good enough for me.
If this gives Vrabel more control and keeps him here long term then I am even more for it.
I hope we have better luck in the market, cause thats important, but the draft is a crap shoot anyway you twist it:
There was analysis done from 1996-2016 on all teams drafts.
16.7% never play for the team that drafted them.
37% didnât receive significant playing time or didnât make team
15% didnt play well with the time they got
10% considered average playing 2-3 years with good contributions
12% good players who could be medicore but the metric talk about multi year starts
7% great played into a second contract
1% legendary making the hall, multiple all pro teams etc.
Sorry if formatting is off, on mobile at work on lunch.
I poked around a bit and there seems to be something looming (not nefariously, just the final hammer) no one feels comfortable talking about yet/ever. What I mean by that: JRob was likely done after the season’s end and a playoff exit. There is not a ton of strategy to remove him this exact second unless you’ve got major concerns and you feel like he could only do more damage.
PURE speculation: Mom asked JRob to come to her Monday with a plan of what he intended to do the rest of this season and in the off-season, even if we won a Super Bowl. She didn’t like the plan. Or she told him to come back with a different answer and he didn’t have a great one or didn’t want to change his mind. They slept on it, parted ways. JRob is not gonna be thrilled cause that man loved this team and thought he would certainly end the Super Bowl curse so I don’t think he really was in the mood to even say something cordial yesterday.
Edit: And I’ll add this. It was a shock to pretty much everyone. Definitely, something boiled down to a disagreement between Amy and JRob. No Vrabel playing Ohio State rumors, no grand conspiracy. That one is actually pretty funny to be honest.
J Rob took some gambles and decided to let talent leave. Unfortunately almost none of his replacement options actually panned out and especially on the offensive side of the ball, weâve seen a severe regression in just two years. Now because of these bad gambles, weâre looking at being in cap hell (this is before a Simmons extension as well) unless the FO gets pretty creative and idk if I would call it a full rebuild as much as âretooling.â The national media (The Ringer article as a clear example) sees the move as being short sighted because of the AJ Brown games but if you take a couple steps back and look at the big picture and how this roster is currently constructed, weâre in for some lumps coming up pretty soon. The only saving grace is everyone else in the division is still 1-2 years behind and getting an early jump to get our ducks in a row before draft season begins and to get a plan/decisions outlined is a lot better than waiting until we get bounced in the first round and then scramble for a replacement.
After the reading the Ben Solak article from The Ringer. I think if he did a deeper dive into their situation he would’ve came to your resolution.
JRob was a good GM. The issues was his gambles/whiffs came back to bite him in terms roster construction, cap, and picks. And I believe fall back plan on those gambles weren’t sound either.
Ive been saying this for a while J Rob own belief in himself to replace top tier talent was misguided. Hes spent millions and half a draft trying to replace conklin when he could have just resigned him. We drafted a core in corey davis, aj brown and simmons. Instead of wanting to retain that young core and build you trade assets and pay an aging julio, pastor beasely and robert woods. His failures were so big that they interfered with his sustained success. Hes overpaid so many guys that weren’t worth it that you have to tell a Jeffrey simmons the star of the team i have no clue on how im going to pay you.
Summary A quote comes to mind when i think of robinsons tenure: “You know how to gain a victory; you do not know how to use it”
It’s a “what have you done for me lately?” league. I think he’s still capable of being an above average GM in this league, but when everyone in the know keeps asking how Vrabel gets so much out of his team, that’s kind of an indictment on you as a GM.
By Vegas betting line standards, the Titans are consistently out performing expectations. I wouldn’t over index on that, but over a span of several years to me that usually spells out that we have a phenomenal coach who if joined by a phenomenal GM should have this team consistently vying for a superbowl championship not just the playoffs.
I also thought the overall direction of the team in the offseason was weird. It’s like Jrob was trying to do a soft reset of the roster for a team that was the #1 seed last year. You don’t trade a superstar WR (unless you have Pat Mahomes) when you should still be trying to get over the hump to win it all IMO. Full reset for a team going nowhere? I get, but like I said the expectation I would reasonably expect for the Titans this year still have should have been a championship given last year’s success. Trading what would be an expensive piece when you didn’t even find suitable safeguards for other depth pieces on the offense probably rung alarm bells in AAS head like “so what was the point of trading AJ then?”