If Luka only has 5 assists, something is wrong with his supporting cast. PERIOD
It’s painful. He tries really hard to get guys open looks and they just brick them over and over. Meanwhile the teams we play seem to make them all.
Cost v Output
Bertans and THJ have to easily be the two worst players on this team.
McGee having a good game?
THJ has to be the most inconsistent player in the league
Should’ve circled Tim too
Their shooting was colder than the metroplex
Josh green needs to shoot the ball more. Like his attempts should get up to 8-10 a game.
This should be directly mainly at Tim and Bertans.
We know what Spence can do and the other plays did ok.
It’s a shame luka has to score 53 points for us to beat the pistons
with wood healthy though it gives Luka some offensive support from Spencer and wood but even then on average they would contribute 30-35 a game. green still needs to get his aggression up because he passed the ball to Luka with 3 seconds on the shot clock when he could have put up a fade away or something. I know it’s not in his tools but with the clock running out I rather him shoot a mid range vs throwing it to Luka 30 feet out.
i think Spencer was tired from the last 2 games Luka was out. still showed up in the 4th though. we need Wood back
r/Mavericks: “This is what we are tired of… our franchise player being so good.”
Y’all are such babies. Complain after a loss. Complain after a win. Same shit, different day.
We might be in for an eventful trade deadline.
Only 3 guys in double digit shots is part of the problem
You can take down the mural, but it doesn’t make it less true
GET THIS MAN SOME HELP
Imagine how Luka feels
Fucking disgusting
Just don’t know y hardy only play 6 mins….
Luka is signed for 5 years, but in today’s player empowerment movement, Luka could demand a trade if Mark doesn’t do something or Jason doesn’t figure out how to use the players properly.
It just proves it. These guys are all a bunch of useless players who can’t do anything. Fans are so tired of it.
Can’t stand the people acting like Luka makes Spencer worse somehow. The dude just picks and chooses when he shows up. He got 16 shots. He needs to stop starting and lead the 2nd unit.
They had to play till the last 45 seconds to beat a 13 win team. Ridiculous.
The team without Luka shot great from the line, from 3, and from 2, but lost: they suck without Luka!
The team without Luka shot terribly from the line, from 3, and from 2, but won: they suck without Luka!
If Green is going to be playing the same amount of minutes as Spencer & Tim, provide more scoring opportunities for him between the 3. Same output as Tim & almost as much as Spencer on just 4 attempts.
Wouldn’t be /r/Mavericks if somebody wasn’t complaining about a win
The issue is more, yes we win when Luka drops 45 – 50 HOWEVER, the next game Luka having to sit or the expectation of him doing it night in and out, is why they’re just above .500…
All you have to do is play McGee 40 mins — by simple arithmetic, he’d score 32 points.
to be fair…. Wood has been scoring 20 ppg every night since become a starter and Dinwiddie is averaging 18 and this was his worst game as a Mav IMO and he still had 12.
The problem is THJ, DFS and the bench guys don’t give you any scoring even tho Green balled out and Bullock also had a nice game. We lack that bench scoring. Getting Dinwiddie to the bench and upgrading the starting lineup would go along away.
But also Luka was just insane tonight. 12 of 13 on 2s? You’ll get this statline when hes that one against a bad defense no matter how good his help is.
Wood is so much missed
This is also why I don’t think we should swing at an established all-star level player and give up all our picks & likely one of the few decent assets we have. I don’t think it’s enough to put us over the hump to really contend for a chip with the supporting cast we have and at that point we don’t really have a way to improve. We need high risk high reward trades at this point and then make a swing when we have a better foundation.
Well luka has more shots than the entire bench, I am not suprised he outscored a bunch of bench players that barely get any touches and are out of rhythm.
We won the game.
If DFS valued high by other teams we should make a push to get a package done. Josh Green clearly needs more minutes
I went to the game tonight and I don’t think I could ever get tired of seeing Luka shoot 50+ pts.
This game was a pretty extreme example of what you’re pointing out. We know who Tim is and no amount of complaining will change that. Spence had a rare inefficient game. The rest of the guys mostly did what’s expected. We are also missing Wood and Maxi.
Well apart from Luka, Dinwiddie and THJ, nobody is really known for scoring. THJ has been bad lately, and Dinwiddie just had an off night.
And people say our offense is fine. Statistically probably but no matter how great Luka is, you can’t always rely on him to bail you out like this.
Unpopular opinion; please bear with me and be open to discussion.
I couldn’t disagree with this sentiment more. We JUST got through seeing this team without Luka perform wonderfully with Dinwiddie leading the way balling out of control….but also getting people involved; people got more touches, more play time, there was more ball and player movement, all of which is essential for consistent efficiency and production individually and, thusly, collectively.
We used to see those kinda flashes in play in the prior couple years when Luka would sit and Brunson would run the point with the likes of Porzingis, THJ, Kleber, SETH CURRY and even Trey Burke; it wasn’t JUST because of Luka that we were the most efficient offense in league HISTORY a couple years ago. But then here you see Luka come back and bam, 50 points with over double the shots of our third best player. Though I won’t argue with you with THJ; that’s enough shots to make some sort of better impact, he’s gotta work on his consistency.
If you’ve never really watched the Mavs then these numbers would be painting the picture you’re suggesting. But I have, WE have; so as fans of this team we have to keep it 100%: we love Luka, I know I do….but there’s a reason his gameplay has been compared to that of James Harden; he keeps the ball in his hand MOST of the time and contrary to how people may perceive his affinity for getting his teammates involved he does close to no such thing. He has an average of 7.6 assists this year with 8 ON HIS CAREER. 36 minutes with the ball in his hand 90% of the time is too long to only have 7 and a half assists.
In the first place, 7.6 assists comes out to only 15 points at least and 22 at most; not only is that piffle in the big picture but that’s split between at least 4 other players so then you end up with the numbers seen here. It used to infuriate me when Luka would pass the ball to Dorian more than he would to Porzingis! Like the man is clearly rusty and definitely obviously afraid to reinjure himself.
A simple pick and roll play constantly and consistently enough would get him confidant in not only in his ability after being gone for what seemed like 3 years but also trusting that he’ll get touches and therefore he’ll be more engaged and willing in the game.
But this lack of player involvement and mismatched positioning of players especially in backcourt is exactly why we see numbers like this more consistently, why Porzingis never saw the return to form for which we were hoping and why we’ve gone through or straight up lost/squandered five actual point guards, the most notable being Seth and Brunson.
Overall, the big picture problem across the board is a lack of confidence, efficiency and preparedness for the moment all of which could be solved with more touches and players being put in their exact positions and playing roles. Also, admittedly, more practice, individually or otherwise.
In conclusion, it’s not gonna be an overnight thing, but i guarantee if Jason Kidd would just coach Luka to relinquish the ball 30, 40% more, or even put him at SG and let the actual point guards or at LEAST Dinwiddie play their designated and/or (in the case of Dinwiddie) their proven role we’d see an efficiency turnaround permeate throughout the entire team; shoot, we’d see a group more resembling a team than Luka and some pieces.
If anyone feels any different, as I said, I’m more than willing to and open to any civil discussion.
Gosh, I can’t wait for Bertans not have a Mavs jersey on anymore.
This sub is filled with so much cope for bullock and thj
Imma head out, this sub sucks, I’ll be back when y’all aren’t whining everyday. GET r/mavericks some help y’all!!!! The commenters and posters do nothing of value, NO LAUGHS NO MEMES NO HARD HITTING DEEP CUTS, JUST BITCHING. The fact some dipshit took a screenshot of their phone, circled the points in red, posted it and then 350 other dipshits upvoted it has cemented it for me.
9 players took 31 more shot attempts than Luka to score 5 more points.
Goodness this is frustrating 😒
Dinwiddie and Tim had bad nights. Everything else is about as expected in a game where Luka’s usage is that high. DFS and Powell are not reliable double digit scores. Green, McGee and Bullock were all efficient but didn’t get many shots. Bertans and Hardy barely played enough to make an impact.
The Mavs’ problem is we can’t really afford a game where both of our secondary scorers are off with Wood out.
I feel like the red emphasis shouldn’t be on the points, but rather on the FG column. Dinwiddie and THj hitting 31% and 30% from the field, respectively, is just rough.
That said, Doncic is jacking up a LOT of shots to hit his numbers, which is telling me that Kidd is fine with hyper-focusing the offense on him.
Wtf is this… tired of Luka poppin off?? How?
Our offense is fine though. It’s our defense that is losing us games.
I know the McGee hate boner is strong, but can we take a moment to realize that McGee did have 8 points, and 3 rebounds in only 10 minutes played
Seriously, we are down 2 big men and we just won’t play him? What is it about this team having one big guy that they will just never play?
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If Luka only has 5 assists, something is wrong with his supporting cast. PERIOD
It’s painful. He tries really hard to get guys open looks and they just brick them over and over. Meanwhile the teams we play seem to make them all.
Cost v Output
Bertans and THJ have to easily be the two worst players on this team.
McGee having a good game?
THJ has to be the most inconsistent player in the league
Should’ve circled Tim too
Their shooting was colder than the metroplex
Josh green needs to shoot the ball more. Like his attempts should get up to 8-10 a game.
This should be directly mainly at Tim and Bertans.
We know what Spence can do and the other plays did ok.
It’s a shame luka has to score 53 points for us to beat the pistons
with wood healthy though it gives Luka some offensive support from Spencer and wood but even then on average they would contribute 30-35 a game. green still needs to get his aggression up because he passed the ball to Luka with 3 seconds on the shot clock when he could have put up a fade away or something. I know it’s not in his tools but with the clock running out I rather him shoot a mid range vs throwing it to Luka 30 feet out.
i think Spencer was tired from the last 2 games Luka was out. still showed up in the 4th though. we need Wood back
r/Mavericks: “This is what we are tired of… our franchise player being so good.”
Y’all are such babies. Complain after a loss. Complain after a win. Same shit, different day.
We might be in for an eventful trade deadline.
Only 3 guys in double digit shots is part of the problem
You can take down the mural, but it doesn’t make it less true
GET THIS MAN SOME HELP
Imagine how Luka feels
Fucking disgusting
Just don’t know y hardy only play 6 mins….
Luka is signed for 5 years, but in today’s player empowerment movement, Luka could demand a trade if Mark doesn’t do something or Jason doesn’t figure out how to use the players properly.
Yep. This Pistons game.
This one right here: [https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199603070CHI.html](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199603070CHI.html)
It just proves it. These guys are all a bunch of useless players who can’t do anything. Fans are so tired of it.
Can’t stand the people acting like Luka makes Spencer worse somehow. The dude just picks and chooses when he shows up. He got 16 shots. He needs to stop starting and lead the 2nd unit.
They had to play till the last 45 seconds to beat a 13 win team. Ridiculous.
The team without Luka shot great from the line, from 3, and from 2, but lost: they suck without Luka!
The team without Luka shot terribly from the line, from 3, and from 2, but won: they suck without Luka!
If Green is going to be playing the same amount of minutes as Spencer & Tim, provide more scoring opportunities for him between the 3. Same output as Tim & almost as much as Spencer on just 4 attempts.
Wouldn’t be /r/Mavericks if somebody wasn’t complaining about a win
The issue is more, yes we win when Luka drops 45 – 50 HOWEVER, the next game Luka having to sit or the expectation of him doing it night in and out, is why they’re just above .500…
All you have to do is play McGee 40 mins — by simple arithmetic, he’d score 32 points.
to be fair…. Wood has been scoring 20 ppg every night since become a starter and Dinwiddie is averaging 18 and this was his worst game as a Mav IMO and he still had 12.
The problem is THJ, DFS and the bench guys don’t give you any scoring even tho Green balled out and Bullock also had a nice game. We lack that bench scoring. Getting Dinwiddie to the bench and upgrading the starting lineup would go along away.
But also Luka was just insane tonight. 12 of 13 on 2s? You’ll get this statline when hes that one against a bad defense no matter how good his help is.
Wood is so much missed
This is also why I don’t think we should swing at an established all-star level player and give up all our picks & likely one of the few decent assets we have. I don’t think it’s enough to put us over the hump to really contend for a chip with the supporting cast we have and at that point we don’t really have a way to improve. We need high risk high reward trades at this point and then make a swing when we have a better foundation.
Well luka has more shots than the entire bench, I am not suprised he outscored a bunch of bench players that barely get any touches and are out of rhythm.
We won the game.
If DFS valued high by other teams we should make a push to get a package done. Josh Green clearly needs more minutes
I went to the game tonight and I don’t think I could ever get tired of seeing Luka shoot 50+ pts.
This game was a pretty extreme example of what you’re pointing out. We know who Tim is and no amount of complaining will change that. Spence had a rare inefficient game. The rest of the guys mostly did what’s expected. We are also missing Wood and Maxi.
Well apart from Luka, Dinwiddie and THJ, nobody is really known for scoring. THJ has been bad lately, and Dinwiddie just had an off night.
And people say our offense is fine. Statistically probably but no matter how great Luka is, you can’t always rely on him to bail you out like this.
Unpopular opinion; please bear with me and be open to discussion.
I couldn’t disagree with this sentiment more. We JUST got through seeing this team without Luka perform wonderfully with Dinwiddie leading the way balling out of control….but also getting people involved; people got more touches, more play time, there was more ball and player movement, all of which is essential for consistent efficiency and production individually and, thusly, collectively.
We used to see those kinda flashes in play in the prior couple years when Luka would sit and Brunson would run the point with the likes of Porzingis, THJ, Kleber, SETH CURRY and even Trey Burke; it wasn’t JUST because of Luka that we were the most efficient offense in league HISTORY a couple years ago. But then here you see Luka come back and bam, 50 points with over double the shots of our third best player. Though I won’t argue with you with THJ; that’s enough shots to make some sort of better impact, he’s gotta work on his consistency.
If you’ve never really watched the Mavs then these numbers would be painting the picture you’re suggesting. But I have, WE have; so as fans of this team we have to keep it 100%: we love Luka, I know I do….but there’s a reason his gameplay has been compared to that of James Harden; he keeps the ball in his hand MOST of the time and contrary to how people may perceive his affinity for getting his teammates involved he does close to no such thing. He has an average of 7.6 assists this year with 8 ON HIS CAREER. 36 minutes with the ball in his hand 90% of the time is too long to only have 7 and a half assists.
In the first place, 7.6 assists comes out to only 15 points at least and 22 at most; not only is that piffle in the big picture but that’s split between at least 4 other players so then you end up with the numbers seen here. It used to infuriate me when Luka would pass the ball to Dorian more than he would to Porzingis! Like the man is clearly rusty and definitely obviously afraid to reinjure himself.
A simple pick and roll play constantly and consistently enough would get him confidant in not only in his ability after being gone for what seemed like 3 years but also trusting that he’ll get touches and therefore he’ll be more engaged and willing in the game.
But this lack of player involvement and mismatched positioning of players especially in backcourt is exactly why we see numbers like this more consistently, why Porzingis never saw the return to form for which we were hoping and why we’ve gone through or straight up lost/squandered five actual point guards, the most notable being Seth and Brunson.
Overall, the big picture problem across the board is a lack of confidence, efficiency and preparedness for the moment all of which could be solved with more touches and players being put in their exact positions and playing roles. Also, admittedly, more practice, individually or otherwise.
In conclusion, it’s not gonna be an overnight thing, but i guarantee if Jason Kidd would just coach Luka to relinquish the ball 30, 40% more, or even put him at SG and let the actual point guards or at LEAST Dinwiddie play their designated and/or (in the case of Dinwiddie) their proven role we’d see an efficiency turnaround permeate throughout the entire team; shoot, we’d see a group more resembling a team than Luka and some pieces.
If anyone feels any different, as I said, I’m more than willing to and open to any civil discussion.
Gosh, I can’t wait for Bertans not have a Mavs jersey on anymore.
This sub is filled with so much cope for bullock and thj
Imma head out, this sub sucks, I’ll be back when y’all aren’t whining everyday. GET r/mavericks some help y’all!!!! The commenters and posters do nothing of value, NO LAUGHS NO MEMES NO HARD HITTING DEEP CUTS, JUST BITCHING. The fact some dipshit took a screenshot of their phone, circled the points in red, posted it and then 350 other dipshits upvoted it has cemented it for me.
9 players took 31 more shot attempts than Luka to score 5 more points.
Goodness this is frustrating 😒
Dinwiddie and Tim had bad nights. Everything else is about as expected in a game where Luka’s usage is that high. DFS and Powell are not reliable double digit scores. Green, McGee and Bullock were all efficient but didn’t get many shots. Bertans and Hardy barely played enough to make an impact.
The Mavs’ problem is we can’t really afford a game where both of our secondary scorers are off with Wood out.
I feel like the red emphasis shouldn’t be on the points, but rather on the FG column. Dinwiddie and THj hitting 31% and 30% from the field, respectively, is just rough.
That said, Doncic is jacking up a LOT of shots to hit his numbers, which is telling me that Kidd is fine with hyper-focusing the offense on him.
Wtf is this… tired of Luka poppin off?? How?
Our offense is fine though. It’s our defense that is losing us games.
I know the McGee hate boner is strong, but can we take a moment to realize that McGee did have 8 points, and 3 rebounds in only 10 minutes played
Seriously, we are down 2 big men and we just won’t play him? What is it about this team having one big guy that they will just never play?