Susan Slusser believes Giants should go all-in on trade for Ohtani, discusses what it might cost
July 14, 2023
Susan Slusser believes Giants should go all-in on trade for Ohtani, discusses what it might cost
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I think they should see how the team finishes this year and go all-in on signing Ohtani in the winter.
If a team trades for him they’d have to give up pretty much their whole farm + a few MLB level players
Not really interested in gutting the farm for an Ohtani rental… I’d rather just wait for an opportunity to sign him in free agency.
Would be so pissed if we gutted the farm for a half year rental. Would actually make it way harder for Ohtani to sign with us, he wants to be in an org with the tools to win.
I’m sorry but any team that guts their future for an ultra risky rental of Ohtani that isn’t the Braves is being straight up reckless. Even if he wants to possibly sign with you long term, he’s still going to test the waters in free agency. It’s not worth the risk. We are not an Ohtani away from seriously competing and neither is anybody else. Only the Braves should be willing to do this because they’re by far the biggest contenders.
Please don’t
Gutting the future for a rental makes no sense. There will/might be at least ten teams doing that. One team may end up winning because of it. The rest will not.
I would rather we pony up some big cash for him when he hits FA.
The marine layer and park dimensions will kill his offensive numbers..
I believe 110% Ohtani will be a GIANT next season. So why would I do this?
I think a positive is that Ohtani gets time being around the team, ownership, and seeing how things operate. There is an inherent advantage to that. The bad part is that Luciano and Harrison would be in that deal, and that would be a total hit punch if he eventually ends up not signing here.
The Giants seem to strikeout going the FA route though, so I don’t know what the right answer is.
It’s a move I could have seen Sabean or Evans making in 2003 or 2016, back when there were good teams with championship blood on their last legs for one final push. I don’t think that describes these 2023 Giants or ownership.
The only way I would be upset is if the Giants literally traded Harrison, Luciano, Whisenhunt, Matos, Bailey for Ohtani. That’s not going to happen. No team would do that. Soto is a stud, and he was obtained by trading 2-3 Top prospects. He came with 2.5 years of team control. Ohtani with .5 years of team control will fetch one top prospect and 2-4 mid-lower tier prospects. I have no issue giving up Luciano. There was a time when Beede, Shaw, Ramos, Bart were untouchable. The farm getting blown up is overblown. It’s not going to happen. No team would do that.
I think there’s bigger pressure for a team like the Yankees to trade for him. Ohtani has stated he wants to stay West. When players say this, they tend to mean it. Yankees, Giants, Mariners, Pads, Halos will all make their pitch in the winter. A team like the Yankees needs to trade for him and then sell him NY while he’s there.
A strange thing about all this is he doesn’t want to go to a team who has or has had a strong Japanese legacy. Not sure why this is even a deal, but this is coming up again. If true, NY, Seattle and LAD are out. Personally, I think this is overblown, but I remember when he signed with the Halos, this was brought up, and it’s coming up again.
Then there’s no guarantee he accepts an extension rather than try to see what he can get in free agency. It would be disastrous to trade the farm for him not only to have him sign elsewhere in the off-season.
I’m only trading for Ohtani if he signs an extension the moment he lands in San Francisco.
Just wait until the offseason and hope that the farm system, emergence of Bailey and Matos, and having Harrison and Whisenhunt so close to being called up is enough to sway him to sign.
My fucking gosh. Her too? I thought she was different.
I don’t like the idea of trading for a guy who’s gonna open bidding next year. You trade for a a year or two of a guys contract. I’m not tryna give the Angels prospects for a couple months of the best player in baseball.
Absolutely not if its not a guaranteed extension
uh, no. Only if one of the conditions of the trade is he signs with us for life
If you’re Ohtani, which team seems stronger?
Team A: playoff level team that just lost their 5 best prospects and young players
Team B: playoff level team that lost nothing
Every single one of these pro-trade beat writers needs to take a step back lol. Why would a trade for a guy going into free agency help considering the literal boatload of assets we’d have to give up??
I love Ohtani, but a trade for him is simply not worth it.
I still have ptsd from carlos beltran. no thanks
In a perfect world, yes we don’t give up anything for him and then just sign him for 500mm dollars in the offseason.
What I think ppl don’t really understand or acknowledge is there are several other teams out there thinking the same thing and willing to potentially be more aggressive. If one of those teams does make the trade and gives themselves 2.5 months more of an exclusive negotiating window (plus a chance to show him that the town / fans are a good place to be) then we’re SOL in the offseason.
That’s what it comes down to and trading for him and showing him how nice SF can be may be the only chance to sign him.
It’s not an easy decision. But it’s not as easy as just saying “psh that’s dumb, don’t trade anything, sign him in the offseason”. Because if you’re always being that passive, you may never sign any top level star
Ohtani for manaea and 22,000 left over 2002 giants World Series winners T-shirts
The cost will probably be six prospects who collectively wind up with 5 career WAR.
Slusser really needs to put a sock in it after Arson Judge.
Fucking stupid idea without a definite long term commitment. Even with ohtani, the odds of this team winning this year isn’t high enough to dump prospects
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I think they should see how the team finishes this year and go all-in on signing Ohtani in the winter.
If a team trades for him they’d have to give up pretty much their whole farm + a few MLB level players
Not really interested in gutting the farm for an Ohtani rental… I’d rather just wait for an opportunity to sign him in free agency.
Would be so pissed if we gutted the farm for a half year rental. Would actually make it way harder for Ohtani to sign with us, he wants to be in an org with the tools to win.
I’m sorry but any team that guts their future for an ultra risky rental of Ohtani that isn’t the Braves is being straight up reckless. Even if he wants to possibly sign with you long term, he’s still going to test the waters in free agency. It’s not worth the risk. We are not an Ohtani away from seriously competing and neither is anybody else. Only the Braves should be willing to do this because they’re by far the biggest contenders.
Please don’t
Gutting the future for a rental makes no sense. There will/might be at least ten teams doing that. One team may end up winning because of it. The rest will not.
I would rather we pony up some big cash for him when he hits FA.
The marine layer and park dimensions will kill his offensive numbers..
I believe 110% Ohtani will be a GIANT next season. So why would I do this?
I think a positive is that Ohtani gets time being around the team, ownership, and seeing how things operate. There is an inherent advantage to that. The bad part is that Luciano and Harrison would be in that deal, and that would be a total hit punch if he eventually ends up not signing here.
The Giants seem to strikeout going the FA route though, so I don’t know what the right answer is.
It’s a move I could have seen Sabean or Evans making in 2003 or 2016, back when there were good teams with championship blood on their last legs for one final push. I don’t think that describes these 2023 Giants or ownership.
The only way I would be upset is if the Giants literally traded Harrison, Luciano, Whisenhunt, Matos, Bailey for Ohtani. That’s not going to happen. No team would do that. Soto is a stud, and he was obtained by trading 2-3 Top prospects. He came with 2.5 years of team control. Ohtani with .5 years of team control will fetch one top prospect and 2-4 mid-lower tier prospects. I have no issue giving up Luciano. There was a time when Beede, Shaw, Ramos, Bart were untouchable. The farm getting blown up is overblown. It’s not going to happen. No team would do that.
I think there’s bigger pressure for a team like the Yankees to trade for him. Ohtani has stated he wants to stay West. When players say this, they tend to mean it. Yankees, Giants, Mariners, Pads, Halos will all make their pitch in the winter. A team like the Yankees needs to trade for him and then sell him NY while he’s there.
A strange thing about all this is he doesn’t want to go to a team who has or has had a strong Japanese legacy. Not sure why this is even a deal, but this is coming up again. If true, NY, Seattle and LAD are out. Personally, I think this is overblown, but I remember when he signed with the Halos, this was brought up, and it’s coming up again.
Then there’s no guarantee he accepts an extension rather than try to see what he can get in free agency. It would be disastrous to trade the farm for him not only to have him sign elsewhere in the off-season.
I’m only trading for Ohtani if he signs an extension the moment he lands in San Francisco.
Just wait until the offseason and hope that the farm system, emergence of Bailey and Matos, and having Harrison and Whisenhunt so close to being called up is enough to sway him to sign.
My fucking gosh. Her too? I thought she was different.
I don’t like the idea of trading for a guy who’s gonna open bidding next year. You trade for a a year or two of a guys contract. I’m not tryna give the Angels prospects for a couple months of the best player in baseball.
Absolutely not if its not a guaranteed extension
uh, no. Only if one of the conditions of the trade is he signs with us for life
If you’re Ohtani, which team seems stronger?
Team A: playoff level team that just lost their 5 best prospects and young players
Team B: playoff level team that lost nothing
Every single one of these pro-trade beat writers needs to take a step back lol. Why would a trade for a guy going into free agency help considering the literal boatload of assets we’d have to give up??
I love Ohtani, but a trade for him is simply not worth it.
I still have ptsd from carlos beltran. no thanks
In a perfect world, yes we don’t give up anything for him and then just sign him for 500mm dollars in the offseason.
What I think ppl don’t really understand or acknowledge is there are several other teams out there thinking the same thing and willing to potentially be more aggressive. If one of those teams does make the trade and gives themselves 2.5 months more of an exclusive negotiating window (plus a chance to show him that the town / fans are a good place to be) then we’re SOL in the offseason.
That’s what it comes down to and trading for him and showing him how nice SF can be may be the only chance to sign him.
It’s not an easy decision. But it’s not as easy as just saying “psh that’s dumb, don’t trade anything, sign him in the offseason”. Because if you’re always being that passive, you may never sign any top level star
Ohtani for manaea and 22,000 left over 2002 giants World Series winners T-shirts
The cost will probably be six prospects who collectively wind up with 5 career WAR.
Slusser really needs to put a sock in it after Arson Judge.
Fucking stupid idea without a definite long term commitment. Even with ohtani, the odds of this team winning this year isn’t high enough to dump prospects