Since after the Spurs game, when the Raptors shifted to featuring Pascal more, Scottie Barnes is averaging 16.7 ppg
November 25, 2023
Since after the Spurs game, when the Raptors shifted to featuring Pascal more, Scottie Barnes is averaging 16.7 ppg
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Need to get him the ball in the deep post more, I hate these games where he’s just playing as a catch and shoot threat.
In the post he can go at absolutely anyone
And the point of this post is exactly what?
It has nothing to do with focusing on PS, it’s just that Scotty is not assertive enough. When PS gets the ball in the paint he works hard, but when SB gets it his first instinct is to pass. SB has the size and the speed to dominate one-on-one’s but for whatever reason he just wants to pass.
I honestly really like the version of Scottie averaging something like 18/10/6. He’s like Draymond with a 3-point shot and ability to hit clutch shots and the team looks great aside from the Magic game.
He’s not quite as offensively dynamic as Pascal (yet), and that’s okay, he’s in year 3. The team is going to give him the ball plenty.
Truly believe Scottie won’t be able to get to that next level with Siakam on the roster
they just play to similarly positionally and if you have poeltl with them too that lane is clogged
I feel like he’s not being maximized, but he’s still really effective in this role. Reminds me a lot of his rookie season. I wish it was a bit more give and take between him and Pascal though, cause he’s definitely able to do more than he is now
While I would like for his usage rate to increase, if it means we’re getting wins with Pascal getting more touches I don’t think Scottie is too worried.
“Barnes stans have hard time realizing hot start is unsustainable and bound to regress”
Darko’s offense has the ball in the PG hands a lot as well as high post initiation through Poeltl. Between that and working in more Siakam post touches, it’s disappointing that Scottie is back to being a “connector” and often just hovering around the 3 pt line which was a big frustration last year. With that said Scottie himself absolutely has to be more assertive too despite not being empowered or put in the best positions to succeed. He has gotten very passive compared to that Sixers game for example where he came out with 12 instant points on Oubre
If you think that means he’s been playing bad, you haven’t been watching
“Scottie won’t reach that next level with FVV as PG”
“Scottie won’t reach that next level with Pascal on the team”
“Scottie won’t reach that next level with Dennis as PG”
“Scottie won’t reach that next level with OG driving”
Why not instead of focusing on everyone else, maybe Scottie just has to be more assertive
the opposing defence are respecting and preparing for him more than ever after his hot start. that’s literally the reason and know he has to adjust and go back to the lab and figure some things out. simple observation but you guys have some obsession with other dudes “taking away” from scottie lmfao grow up
Way too much of our offense is ran through Dennis and Poeltl, its beat up on bad teams get crushed by any decent defense, but our schedule is lighter now so we are seeing more Dennis, more Poeltl, and the touches we were giving to Scottie have been completely absorbed by Pascal.
Over the stretch of games where Scottie was going off, Schroder was averaging 9 assists, since the Spurs game he is at 5 assists, while his usage has actually increased by 3%, more shooting more turnovers less distributing.
Its not that Pascal gets more touches and everyone gets a little less, its Pascal, Dennis and Poeltl gets more touches and everyone else gets the scraps.
I don’t think him and pascal make eachother better players on the court, but pascal isn’t dominating the offence, scottie can go and get his when he feels like it, he should be more assertive 🤷♂️
Haven’t the Raptors also started winning more games as well? I really like the Siakam + Barnes duo/dynamic you guys have going on.
Maybe it is to showcase Pascal, you don’t want him playing as your second fiddle when you are looking for buyers.
You should also include how many missed shots in that stat.
Maybe just trying to exploit different matchups.
Looks more like the defense is zoning in on Scottie more after his hot start. They are picking their poison. They’d rather have siakam go off instead of scottie.
I wouldn’t worry too much about PS presence affecting Barnes performance.
As it stands the team is **just** playing at a 500 level (final record just might end up being the same as last season) and we got some pricey UFA in which no way they’re paying the luxury tax to keep everyone.
It’s not a matter of if but when Pascal isn’t on the roster by trade deadline
the offence featuring Scottie and not pascal was the worst half court offence in league history
If we could ever manage to get these two to both go off in the same game we would really be cooking
Lol we found out dude has the absolute dog in him and coach said yeah… never again
He’s a winner
Would you like to try again?
Main thing that matters is the wins. Looking a lot better offensively and putting up good number. 142 against wizards, 132 vs pacers and 121 last game.
I guess this is what Masai and Darko want because Siakam is an expiring. Making him the 2nd option might hurt them long term.
I’d like to know if his usage rate actually went down significantly, and/or if his eFG% went down. I feel like he’s just not hitting certain shots he was making in earlier games. And when he’s shot is not falling he tries to contribute on other ways (boards, passing , defence) which is a good thing.
Scottie has been playing out of his mind. His stats last night, for example, weren’t crazy.. but he created a bunch on offense, and was a menace on defense. I’ll take last night’s version of Scottie anyday
People really think Scottie needs more touches as if he’s LeBron James, lol. That’s not his game.
Were just gonna keep losing in the play in or first round for the next 4 years so Siakam can get his stats and the team can evaluate and THEN they might finally hand the keys to Scottie. I can already see this clown car franchise paying Pascal this offseason entirely too much money for a guy who’s proven to not be a factor in the playoffs as the guy.
im way too baked to process ‘since after’
Scottie is a selfless player and we shouldn’t shift hate onto other players for that.
I guess it’s not about the Toronto Raptors anymore but Scottie Raptors. The team can be shit unless yall favourite is scoring 30+ per game. Thank God Masai is not dumb.
Just trade pascal already. My intuition is this is a trade value move. I hope.
Scottie and pascal need to just take turns abusing mismatches down low on every possession. Once Scottie and Pascal start knocking down more 3s, I really can’t see any team stopping us.
Scottie is playing to his abilities well so who cares what he is averaging. He’s our number one guy to grab rebounds, he’s finding open guys, he’s playing good D, he’s taking the appropriate shots, and he’s making drives when he needs to. He’s really been the jack of all trades master of none. You can jack up his usage but it wouldn’t change the result in these games. Nevertheless he still has opportunities to shine when other guys are cold, and other guys gotta realize they should be passing off when they are cold.
They’re trying different strategies to maximize the pairing. If there’s a way to do that, they will be one of the best duos in the league.
How long ago was it that the entire reddit nba-verse was convinced that Boston HAD to split up the J’s?
Give it a minute and see
Yeah he is still having a hug3 influence on games. I think they know they can’t tank Pascal value if they’re going to try and trade. Also, they’ll win more if Pascal isn’t playing horrible. Yeah less Schroeder and more Barnes. But it’s also how teams are playing him, guarding him more. Also I feel like his touch has been a little off around the rim lately.
They are pushing up Pascals trade value. Let em cook.
Your analysis is super lazy, and yet you’re on here telling everyone else their points are lazy.
Have you even bothered to look up Scottie’s stats without Pascal on the floor this year? They are not good. Pascal’s gravity helps Scottie a whole lot.
For example: Scottie has a 47% TS without Pascal on the floor, and a 63% TS with him on the floor.
I’m open to trading Pascal for a great return, but to claim that he is hindering Scottie’s development is just ignorant.
Yep. Pascal was playing like dogshit and not buying in so they went back to feeding him the ball in the post
I think someone already said it but this is to get Pascal’s value up for a deal, which in a strange way could be in the sweet spot where he is playing just well enough to be considered a great 2b on a contender while not so good that he’ll command the max (super max is gone since there is no way he makes all-nba this year).
I love Pascal and what he’s done for this team but the choice between him and Scottie is easy given age , contract and the team’s overall direction.
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Need to get him the ball in the deep post more, I hate these games where he’s just playing as a catch and shoot threat.
In the post he can go at absolutely anyone
And the point of this post is exactly what?
It has nothing to do with focusing on PS, it’s just that Scotty is not assertive enough. When PS gets the ball in the paint he works hard, but when SB gets it his first instinct is to pass. SB has the size and the speed to dominate one-on-one’s but for whatever reason he just wants to pass.
I honestly really like the version of Scottie averaging something like 18/10/6. He’s like Draymond with a 3-point shot and ability to hit clutch shots and the team looks great aside from the Magic game.
He’s not quite as offensively dynamic as Pascal (yet), and that’s okay, he’s in year 3. The team is going to give him the ball plenty.
Truly believe Scottie won’t be able to get to that next level with Siakam on the roster
they just play to similarly positionally and if you have poeltl with them too that lane is clogged
I feel like he’s not being maximized, but he’s still really effective in this role. Reminds me a lot of his rookie season. I wish it was a bit more give and take between him and Pascal though, cause he’s definitely able to do more than he is now
While I would like for his usage rate to increase, if it means we’re getting wins with Pascal getting more touches I don’t think Scottie is too worried.
“Barnes stans have hard time realizing hot start is unsustainable and bound to regress”
Darko’s offense has the ball in the PG hands a lot as well as high post initiation through Poeltl. Between that and working in more Siakam post touches, it’s disappointing that Scottie is back to being a “connector” and often just hovering around the 3 pt line which was a big frustration last year. With that said Scottie himself absolutely has to be more assertive too despite not being empowered or put in the best positions to succeed. He has gotten very passive compared to that Sixers game for example where he came out with 12 instant points on Oubre
If you think that means he’s been playing bad, you haven’t been watching
“Scottie won’t reach that next level with FVV as PG”
“Scottie won’t reach that next level with Pascal on the team”
“Scottie won’t reach that next level with Dennis as PG”
“Scottie won’t reach that next level with OG driving”
Why not instead of focusing on everyone else, maybe Scottie just has to be more assertive
the opposing defence are respecting and preparing for him more than ever after his hot start. that’s literally the reason and know he has to adjust and go back to the lab and figure some things out. simple observation but you guys have some obsession with other dudes “taking away” from scottie lmfao grow up
Way too much of our offense is ran through Dennis and Poeltl, its beat up on bad teams get crushed by any decent defense, but our schedule is lighter now so we are seeing more Dennis, more Poeltl, and the touches we were giving to Scottie have been completely absorbed by Pascal.
Over the stretch of games where Scottie was going off, Schroder was averaging 9 assists, since the Spurs game he is at 5 assists, while his usage has actually increased by 3%, more shooting more turnovers less distributing.
Its not that Pascal gets more touches and everyone gets a little less, its Pascal, Dennis and Poeltl gets more touches and everyone else gets the scraps.
I don’t think him and pascal make eachother better players on the court, but pascal isn’t dominating the offence, scottie can go and get his when he feels like it, he should be more assertive 🤷♂️
Haven’t the Raptors also started winning more games as well? I really like the Siakam + Barnes duo/dynamic you guys have going on.
Maybe it is to showcase Pascal, you don’t want him playing as your second fiddle when you are looking for buyers.
You should also include how many missed shots in that stat.
Maybe just trying to exploit different matchups.
Looks more like the defense is zoning in on Scottie more after his hot start. They are picking their poison. They’d rather have siakam go off instead of scottie.
I wouldn’t worry too much about PS presence affecting Barnes performance.
As it stands the team is **just** playing at a 500 level (final record just might end up being the same as last season) and we got some pricey UFA in which no way they’re paying the luxury tax to keep everyone.
It’s not a matter of if but when Pascal isn’t on the roster by trade deadline
the offence featuring Scottie and not pascal was the worst half court offence in league history
If we could ever manage to get these two to both go off in the same game we would really be cooking
Lol we found out dude has the absolute dog in him and coach said yeah… never again
He’s a winner
Would you like to try again?
Main thing that matters is the wins. Looking a lot better offensively and putting up good number. 142 against wizards, 132 vs pacers and 121 last game.
I guess this is what Masai and Darko want because Siakam is an expiring. Making him the 2nd option might hurt them long term.
I’d like to know if his usage rate actually went down significantly, and/or if his eFG% went down. I feel like he’s just not hitting certain shots he was making in earlier games. And when he’s shot is not falling he tries to contribute on other ways (boards, passing , defence) which is a good thing.
Scottie has been playing out of his mind. His stats last night, for example, weren’t crazy.. but he created a bunch on offense, and was a menace on defense. I’ll take last night’s version of Scottie anyday
People really think Scottie needs more touches as if he’s LeBron James, lol. That’s not his game.
Were just gonna keep losing in the play in or first round for the next 4 years so Siakam can get his stats and the team can evaluate and THEN they might finally hand the keys to Scottie. I can already see this clown car franchise paying Pascal this offseason entirely too much money for a guy who’s proven to not be a factor in the playoffs as the guy.
im way too baked to process ‘since after’
Scottie is a selfless player and we shouldn’t shift hate onto other players for that.
I guess it’s not about the Toronto Raptors anymore but Scottie Raptors. The team can be shit unless yall favourite is scoring 30+ per game. Thank God Masai is not dumb.
Just trade pascal already. My intuition is this is a trade value move. I hope.
Scottie and pascal need to just take turns abusing mismatches down low on every possession. Once Scottie and Pascal start knocking down more 3s, I really can’t see any team stopping us.
Scottie is playing to his abilities well so who cares what he is averaging. He’s our number one guy to grab rebounds, he’s finding open guys, he’s playing good D, he’s taking the appropriate shots, and he’s making drives when he needs to. He’s really been the jack of all trades master of none. You can jack up his usage but it wouldn’t change the result in these games. Nevertheless he still has opportunities to shine when other guys are cold, and other guys gotta realize they should be passing off when they are cold.
They’re trying different strategies to maximize the pairing. If there’s a way to do that, they will be one of the best duos in the league.
How long ago was it that the entire reddit nba-verse was convinced that Boston HAD to split up the J’s?
Give it a minute and see
Yeah he is still having a hug3 influence on games. I think they know they can’t tank Pascal value if they’re going to try and trade. Also, they’ll win more if Pascal isn’t playing horrible. Yeah less Schroeder and more Barnes. But it’s also how teams are playing him, guarding him more. Also I feel like his touch has been a little off around the rim lately.
They are pushing up Pascals trade value. Let em cook.
Your analysis is super lazy, and yet you’re on here telling everyone else their points are lazy.
Have you even bothered to look up Scottie’s stats without Pascal on the floor this year? They are not good. Pascal’s gravity helps Scottie a whole lot.
For example: Scottie has a 47% TS without Pascal on the floor, and a 63% TS with him on the floor.
I’m open to trading Pascal for a great return, but to claim that he is hindering Scottie’s development is just ignorant.
Yep. Pascal was playing like dogshit and not buying in so they went back to feeding him the ball in the post
I think someone already said it but this is to get Pascal’s value up for a deal, which in a strange way could be in the sweet spot where he is playing just well enough to be considered a great 2b on a contender while not so good that he’ll command the max (super max is gone since there is no way he makes all-nba this year).
I love Pascal and what he’s done for this team but the choice between him and Scottie is easy given age , contract and the team’s overall direction.