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[Dehner] The 2021 Bengals draft approach was selecting Ja’Marr Chase 5th overall then addressing OL need with quantity. They selected Jackson Carman (46th), D’Ante Smith (139th) and Trey Hill (190th). In Year 3, those three COMBINED to participate in ONE special teams snap.


This is why I don’t trust them drafting OL

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  2. Another reason why either Duke needs to be relieved of his duties, or why we need more scouts. Either of those would work.

  3. Please fire pollack. All stars we’ve signed play worse, draft capital never develops. Burrow goes down

  4. This team hasn’t been able to evaluate OL talent in a long while, and unfortunately because of scheme and coaching they’ve caused regression in a lot of the FA acquisitions.

    It’s a double whammy and explains the ongoing decade of OL talent in Cincy

  5. Carman certain busted especially considering he was a second-rounder, but his spot was also addressed in FA the past two offseasons too with Collins (another flop) and OBJ (coupled with moving Jonah to RT). Carman did do a decent job as a backup last year after Collins went down.

    But Smith was drafted at the end of the 4th round and only one other T taken after him in that draft is still on an NFL roster, so it’s not like that was a swing and a miss there. There just weren’t many NFL-caliber Ts left that time of the draft.

    Similarly, with Hill, he was 6th rounder C, and there aren’t any C’s drafted in rounds 5 -7 in the 2021 draft that are active members of NFL rosters. So his production is comparable to all the other later round Cs from that draft.

  7. They traded DOWN and passed on at least starting OL to get a “local boy” in the 2nd round who was not highly rated.
    The fact is the Bengals never wanted a great offensive line. They wanted cheap and “adequate”.
    And it’s cost them year after year.
    Last year they knew the line had 3 large holes. They filled one and Joe went down with another season ending injury.

    The OL ranked near the top for sacks allowed, shortest time in the pocket, and hits on QB….AGAIN.

    Joe isn’t going to last. That is a fact in the NFL.

    Without 2 new solid OL, Joe WILL go down again. As time goes on he gets older and won’t heal as fast or as well.

  9. There were good linemen available when they were taken. We just picked the wrong ones. The inability to scout OL properly goes back at least 10 years now.

  10. Missed out on legit multiple pro bowler linemen by picking these unathletic bums like 1 or 2 spots ahead smh lol

  11. Stop drafting linemen from blue chip programs with high picks. Inadequacies can be hidden at places like OSU, Bama, etc. when you have other 5 star linemen and 5 star depth behind you. It’s the same reason the miss on QBs at those schools has been so bad until recently.

    Jonah – bust. Price – bust. Smith – bust. Carman – bust. Ogbuehi – bust.

    Trust the second tier schools a little more – Wiscy, PSU, Iowa, Nc State, etc.

    Edit: for those of you not getting it, maybe you don’t watch college football. This extends beyond who is lining up next to them on the line.

    Take Alabama for example. Saban has a full staff and a full staff of “analysts” that are rotating ex-head coaches and big time coordinators. This absolutely helps game plan to cover up deficiencies (unless it’s their center lol). Additionally, look up the absolute horses at WR and RB they have in the NFL. A kid from Iowa has to block against kids from UofM and OSU. He won’t have a QB. He won’t have a staff of analysts. He won’t have 5 deep WR/RB talent. He won’t have 6 other NFL linemen on the roster. He, alone, will have to do WAY more work than someone like Jonah.

    I don’t mean to pick on Jonah , but let’s use him to further illustrate the point (2018).

    Qb – Hurts, Tua, Mac
    RB – Jacobs, Harris, Robinson
    WR – Ridley, Juedy, Smith, Ruggs

    Coaches: Daboll, Saban, Pruitt

    I’m not taking anything away from the guy. It’s just true that the talent composites and resources at those schools are much greater. It can (not always) make guys look better than they are. Playing at a good college doesn’t equate to being better than your counterparts. Shit, UC has the Kelces and Sauce. Memphis, at one point a year or two, had 4 running backs getting a lot of carries in the NFL. It’s hard to evaluate some of the talent at those bigger schools.

  12. I’m low key glad Higgins and Boyd will be gone. Finally, we won’t have to depend on our shit o line to protect 50 times a game. Now we MUST develop a good run game.

  13. Joe Goodberry is correct in this area – the Bengals have to stop taking OL who are limited athletically or who were too hurt to test in the draft process.

  14. Jackson Carman was a Mike Brown special. Should have never been draft at tht pick in the first place.

  15. Who is analyzing these lineman? Who’s spending hundreds of hours watching film to determine the draft preference here?

    Whoever that is, fire that person or team.

  16. Don’t forget we could have had 2 perennial pro bowlers if we just simply picked different guys with those same picks.

    Creed Humphrey was right there when we picked Carman, which looked bad then and worse now.

    Also could have had Trey Smith instead of Trey Hill.

    It especially sucks that both guys went to the same team.

  17. our inability to draft a single corner-piece olinemen in the past ten years is the reason we are where we are. You cannot build a top ten oline without hitting in the draft on a guy more than once. and we have failed repeatedly on the guys we’ve picked. Price, Fisher, Ogbuehi, Carman, (and Jonah Williams) areall 1st and 2nd round picks that have been huge busts.

    tbh looking at our total drafts outside of a few picks is pretty alarming. Whatever the bengals use to evaluate players and draft is clearly broken and needs to be revamped asap

  18. How much failure in the number 1 goal of protecting Joe can they allow before they actually *CHANGE* something

  19. I feel like just due to law of averages, we have to be prepped for a stud lineman. Is Jonah the past draft pick we’ve had in the last 10 years? Prior to that we had Willie, Steinbach, Levi, Whit, Bolling, Zeitler, Andre. A bunch of guys that were solid starters for close to a decade.

  20. Yeah if you can’t protect your number one asset Burrow the rest of it makes no difference!

  21. They have spent a ton of money on this offensive line and it still isn’t good enough which is a shame !

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