Is Stearns Mid? I had this interesting discussion on the baseball sub and I’m starting to question if we just have $50M to a league average executive?
Is Stearns Mid? I had this interesting discussion on the baseball sub and I’m starting to question if we just have $50M to a league average executive?
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He hasnt even gotten to his first opening day. I think we all need to chill.
I don’t know if you can base it solely off this offseason. He has to deal with mistakes off the past, a lot of money that could be allotted to him is being spent paying Verlander and Scherzer to pitch for other teams.
The moves have been fine, this is a building block year for us sadly, you just have to hope the kids show is something and we make progress in player development in general, we’ll know more by the trade deadline if our play development side has made good strides.
Stearns was the man for the job and is the right hire but yes, he is at best the third best executive in the division and you could argue Rizzo is above him
People are just salty that 2 years ago it looked like the Mets were finally going to be consistently good then last year fucked us with injuries/inconsistent pitching. I also believe that the three to five year comment also gave people unrealistic expectations even Steve Cohen himself says he regrets that probably because he figured he can just buy a front office like you could in any other industry but that turned out to be wrong.
His salary really has nothing to do with his competence as an executive. You’re worth whatever somebody will pay you. We’ll find out soon enough whether he’s able to build a consistent winner. I don’t personally care for him based on what I’ve seen so far, but I reserve the right to have my mind changed.
Dawg that’s the guy that’s constantly trolling on both subs lol. I think he might even have been banned from here cause all he did was pick fights
I don’t know why flocks of fans are making stupid judgements already . Stearns has a good track record of fielding competitive teams through smart moves . If people hate his moves so much , then what would they do then .
What is a good owner?
One who spends when he has to.
One who is passionate about winning
One who stays out of the way and lets baseball people do baseball things.
One who has the capability to recognize when something isn’t working and has the wherewithal to pivot.
Idk man outside of those things what else does an owner do for on the field stuff? Wouldn’t sweat that part.
As for Stearns, well it’s way to early to worry about it, and they seemingly given up on next season (in terms of big brain ideas). If he’s not in play for Soto or he botches whatever they do with Alonso, then we can have a discussion.
Nightmare blunt rotation. God this sub is rough
This team is having to go through a very likely sub .500 season in ‘24 because it has done a terrible job of drafting and developing players (in particular pitchers) over the past decade. Starting with Alderson, continuing with the dubious BVW hiring, and ending with Eppler. Nimmo, Alonso, (maybe) McNeil and who else have been homegrown above league average performers over the last five years? In four-five years if they are not among the top five minor league organizations then yeah Stearns has been an overpaid executive. Until then let’s just see what happens and stop all the “He is a mid-market GM” nonsense. What does that even mean? Oh right. He got into the playoffs with a league average (at best) payroll and with almost entirely drafted rosters over the past six years. Something we haven’t been able to do in my lifetime as a Mets fan. This year is probably not going to be a playoff year and we may not win more than last year’s 75 games. If you are a true Mets fan? Patience should be part of your baseball DNA. This is not going to be the quick fix most seem to think it should be and David Stearns has had absolutely nothing at all to with that. Freaking relax….
Stearns has quite literally built a perennial 90 win team in a small market and left them with a top farm system?
Also they lost a year and a half of Hader, still had a top bullpen and got a prospect that they traded for William Contreras.
He builds really good pitching staffs and I don’t know why all of a sudden people are acting like he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He wins baseball games.
It’s so obvious who is in this post even with you crossing the users name out. Just lurk on r/baseball and even this sub and it won’t take long to figure out who replied to your statement. Dude is very critical of the Mets, I’m not sure I blame him but he can be very pessimistic.
That response is a very mixed bag. Mostly inaccurate hyperbole with a couple accurate things mixed in.
Some of it is accurate like how of his first round draft picks haven’t done well, but he ignores how many of his later round picks have vastly outperformed expectations.
A few notable draft signings
– Trent Grisham (1st) – 9.1 WAR in 537 games (2.8 WAR/162)
– Corbin Burnes (4th) – 17.7 WAR in 709.1 IP (4.4 WAR per 175 IP)
– Aaron Ashby (4th) – 1.3 WAR in 139 IP (1.7 WAR per 175 IP) – was a rookie last year
– Drew Ramissen (6th) – 5.7 WAR in 282 IP (3.5 WAR per 175 IP)
– Sal Frelick (1st) – 1.4 WAR in 58 games (4 WAR per 162 game pace)
What is notable is that the draft signings got better over time and his 2018-2022 drafts were great.
Also the “Stearns never developed a drafted bat” isn’t really true since Sal Frelick exists. Jackson Churio too. The Brewers literally just have a massive extension to him – drafted by Stearns.
His last 4 drafts were actually great.
Stearns has had some bad trades, but many great ones too – like every GM. But saying he hasn’t developed hitters isn’t really true because he drafted for more pitchers than he did hitters, and typically chose to trade for hitters since they cost less in trades. Teams on budgets tend to focus their drafts on pitchers because they typically hold higher trade values.
But there were a lot of great bats he not only grabbed through trades and FA, but also preformed better with the Brewers than they had before
– Jonathan Villar
– Aaron Hill
– Eric Thames
– Manny Pina
– Travis Shaw
– Jesus Aguilar
– Christian Yelich
– Kolton Wong
And that’s just guys who preformed better with the Brewers than their prior teams. Some like Aguilar had very little play in the majors before. And Yelich has had 3 great years and three good years.
Saying he wasnt good at giving up large amounts of money is silly because he was rarely given the opportunity to give out large amount of money.
As for the FO comment, that would have been accurate if this was 2020. But in the last 3 years the Mets have made a lot of high profile top talent level FO signings
– Scott Havens
– Andy Goldberg
– Eric Jagers
– Jeff Albert
– Kris Gross
– Andy Green
– Eduardo Brizuela
That’s just the most high profile ones. We literally just convinced the CEO of Bloomberg to join the FO – it doesn’t get more high profile than that.
Also the Brewers had a good run differential through his tenure. 5291/5167 that’s a +124 run differential. (For reference the Braves over the same years are 5495/5313, +181).
#TLDR I’d say 85% of what he said is crap lol.
Cohen paid a little over an extra 100$ in extra taxes so the team could implode. The trades that got that brewers rotation where made by sterns
His contract is literally meaningless
I can’t have this conversation again
I say this in the nicest way possible, who cares what a random person on the internet ranks baseball executives.