Can Carmen Bricillo, Joe Schoen clean up Giants’ offensive line mess?
January 18, 2024
Can Carmen Bricillo, Joe Schoen clean up Giants’ offensive line mess?
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Can we all agree the OL has been a mess since Eli’s last 2 seasons? If we start at that timeline how many OL coaches have we had and how many draft picks in the first 3 rounds have we had?
As it has been for the last few off seasons, my biggest question is what are we doing to improve the OL. We’ve thrown a bunch of high picks and FA players at the group over the years, with not much to show. Logic would dictate that at some point it’s less an issue about talent and more about coaching. So I guess the questions now are A) does our new OL have sufficient talent, and B) can he improve the talent he gets to put together even a mediocre OL?
I, like others, have been crying for better talent, but now I think I’ll be content to see if this coach can take what we have, with perhaps a new face either via the draft or FA, and fix this line for the foreseeable future. And by new face I mean at OG. I think – and I know many won’t want to read this – the new coach has to take a crack with Neal at RT and see what can be done.
EDIT: To clarify, when I say “take a crack” with Neal, that could mean anything from starting the season w/ him at RT or simply looking at film and deciding he can’t play RT and work on moving him to LG all off season. But he’ll likely have to go in with the mindset that Neal is the RT, until something clear shows that he is not and has no potential to be.
Really hope daboll can
A new QB will make a significant difference. Hopefully a new system and coaching does as well.
If anyone can it’ll be Bricillo. However, some players are uncoachable, so this year will be a defining point for players like Evan Neal and JMS to see if they improve or not. Bad habits are hard to break sometimes so we might not see improvement right away but hiring Bricillo is a step in the right direction. Another thing we can’t rely solely on Bricillo to fix the mess, daboll and kaftka have to work with Bricillo to make sure their schemes are understood by the linemen and that they know their assignment so that they are a cohesive unit.
If all top 3 QBs are gone, they should trade back and take JC Latham or Amarius Mims (both RTs) and move Neal to guard. With the extra draft capital they’d have next year, they could take their QB if Jones still sucks.
OL needs to be the top priority. The objective this offseason is we need to address two starting G’s and the starting RT position, plus probably two additional OL for depth, considering guys like Bredeson, Pugh, and Tyre Phillips (all of whom stink anyway) are free agents, and with Glowinski looking like he should be cut to save ~$5.5M in cap space.
We can’t rely on guys like Ezeudu and Neal to be starters. You keep them on the roster to compete for starting positions but you don’t automatically pencil them in.
Former giants have gone else where and improved significantly.
I believe it’s more on coaching than players.
Hopefully the evil Daboll got some raider voodoo/black magic to make the line at least competent
They better hope so.
Since his rookie year, DJ has had an offensive line ranked 30th or worse for four years straight. That’s ok because the giants have always had elite playmakers at receiver 😂
Can you see now why they haven’t given up on DJ? They want to win next year and an elite wr and a miracle from this new o line coach is the only way.
YES
Well. That is the plan. Let’s see what happens. LGG.
Draft a guard in round 2 or 3. Beebe hopefully is there and can be the best guard in the draft. Sign a RG in FA— Ezra Cleveland maybe? Resign Bredeson and Phillips or whoever for depth. Bricillo should be able to work with this. Neal should get one more opportunity at RT with the new coach.
I think one of the keys to this off-season will be to bring in a FA that can help anchor the OL and knows what Bricillo wants out of his unit. Michael Onewenu has Tackle/Guard flexibility, a former Patriots 6th round pick, and learned under the tutelage of Carmen Bricillo as a young player in ’20/’21. Versatility is very important in this scheme and if Neal is simply not clicking again at RT in year 3 or more injuries pile up, they can cross-train and move him inside to guard and kick Onewenu to RT.
Additionally they should draft some young linemen that have Guard/Tackle flexibility in case of injuries. Putting Josh Ezeudu at LT when Thomas went down wasn’t fun (or fair) for anyone. Adding upside and flexibility in multi-position linemen like Jordan Morgan from Arizona or Troy Fautanu from Washington in the 2nd Round would go a long way towards raising the floor of this unit. The Combine and Senior Bowl will surely raise the stock of some of these options, so it will be increasingly important for Carmen, Daboll, Schoen, and Brown to scour options in the middle rounds with these traits.
14 comments
Can we all agree the OL has been a mess since Eli’s last 2 seasons? If we start at that timeline how many OL coaches have we had and how many draft picks in the first 3 rounds have we had?
As it has been for the last few off seasons, my biggest question is what are we doing to improve the OL. We’ve thrown a bunch of high picks and FA players at the group over the years, with not much to show. Logic would dictate that at some point it’s less an issue about talent and more about coaching. So I guess the questions now are A) does our new OL have sufficient talent, and B) can he improve the talent he gets to put together even a mediocre OL?
I, like others, have been crying for better talent, but now I think I’ll be content to see if this coach can take what we have, with perhaps a new face either via the draft or FA, and fix this line for the foreseeable future. And by new face I mean at OG. I think – and I know many won’t want to read this – the new coach has to take a crack with Neal at RT and see what can be done.
EDIT: To clarify, when I say “take a crack” with Neal, that could mean anything from starting the season w/ him at RT or simply looking at film and deciding he can’t play RT and work on moving him to LG all off season. But he’ll likely have to go in with the mindset that Neal is the RT, until something clear shows that he is not and has no potential to be.
Really hope daboll can
A new QB will make a significant difference. Hopefully a new system and coaching does as well.
If anyone can it’ll be Bricillo. However, some players are uncoachable, so this year will be a defining point for players like Evan Neal and JMS to see if they improve or not. Bad habits are hard to break sometimes so we might not see improvement right away but hiring Bricillo is a step in the right direction. Another thing we can’t rely solely on Bricillo to fix the mess, daboll and kaftka have to work with Bricillo to make sure their schemes are understood by the linemen and that they know their assignment so that they are a cohesive unit.
If all top 3 QBs are gone, they should trade back and take JC Latham or Amarius Mims (both RTs) and move Neal to guard. With the extra draft capital they’d have next year, they could take their QB if Jones still sucks.
OL needs to be the top priority. The objective this offseason is we need to address two starting G’s and the starting RT position, plus probably two additional OL for depth, considering guys like Bredeson, Pugh, and Tyre Phillips (all of whom stink anyway) are free agents, and with Glowinski looking like he should be cut to save ~$5.5M in cap space.
We can’t rely on guys like Ezeudu and Neal to be starters. You keep them on the roster to compete for starting positions but you don’t automatically pencil them in.
Former giants have gone else where and improved significantly.
I believe it’s more on coaching than players.
Hopefully the evil Daboll got some raider voodoo/black magic to make the line at least competent
They better hope so.
Since his rookie year, DJ has had an offensive line ranked 30th or worse for four years straight. That’s ok because the giants have always had elite playmakers at receiver 😂
Can you see now why they haven’t given up on DJ?
They want to win next year and an elite wr and a miracle from this new o line coach is the only way.
YES
Well. That is the plan. Let’s see what happens. LGG.
Draft a guard in round 2 or 3. Beebe hopefully is there and can be the best guard in the draft. Sign a RG in FA— Ezra Cleveland maybe? Resign Bredeson and Phillips or whoever for depth. Bricillo should be able to work with this. Neal should get one more opportunity at RT with the new coach.
I think one of the keys to this off-season will be to bring in a FA that can help anchor the OL and knows what Bricillo wants out of his unit. Michael Onewenu has Tackle/Guard flexibility, a former Patriots 6th round pick, and learned under the tutelage of Carmen Bricillo as a young player in ’20/’21. Versatility is very important in this scheme and if Neal is simply not clicking again at RT in year 3 or more injuries pile up, they can cross-train and move him inside to guard and kick Onewenu to RT.
Additionally they should draft some young linemen that have Guard/Tackle flexibility in case of injuries. Putting Josh Ezeudu at LT when Thomas went down wasn’t fun (or fair) for anyone. Adding upside and flexibility in multi-position linemen like Jordan Morgan from Arizona or Troy Fautanu from Washington in the 2nd Round would go a long way towards raising the floor of this unit. The Combine and Senior Bowl will surely raise the stock of some of these options, so it will be increasingly important for Carmen, Daboll, Schoen, and Brown to scour options in the middle rounds with these traits.