We all love Caleb but writing is on the wall. Especially if he wants 15 mil or more a year.
A trade for DFS makes so much sense if we can get numbers to work. And he plays larger than Caleb
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If you aren’t gonna pay him move him for something that can help contribute. Asset management
We don’t “need” him. We have wings and there’s no chance we retain him after this year. We need more size and more ball handling. If you can find a way to move him for that you do it. Sick of this team overvaluing its role players. I like Caleb, I appreciate what’s he done, I think he’s a good player, but he’s not above the needs of the team.
I agree. And I don’t think we have anymore cap space for him unfortunately.
If we can’t pay him next year, we need to move him this year.
We don’t need him though. We still have a solid record despite him barely playing this year. If there’s a deal out there involving Caleb to get us more size then it should be explored.
Got floor seats for the heat magic game, he was the only player to come and speak with the fans and sign kids stuff. He gained my respect forever.
i feel like i’m in the twilight zone. even *if* he walks in the offseason, which is incredibly probable, why even bother trading him? your two options are “Caleb Martin for 40 games and the playoffs and the ability to extend Haywood Highsmith” or “A lesser player being paid the same/more money that would disqualify you from extending Haywood Highsmith”
and, if your hangup here is “we’re mortgaging our window on Haywood Highsmith” i’m going to try to remind you that Haywood is a top 3 defender on this team right now, made a leap to being a playable offensive player in 2 seasons and knows the system. if the fork in the road is “Caleb now, Haywood later” or “Dorian Finney-Smith for 2 years” I’m absolutely letting Caleb walk. are you out of your fucking mind? DFS is basically Haywood per 100 possessions offensively as a much shittier defender lmao
EDIT: just to loop back to this, this fanbase probably feels this way because they let Max and Gabe walk for what was functionally nothing. the Heat didn’t get to *do* anything as a result of that. it was just two net-losses. what you’re seeing with Caleb right now *isn’t that*. there is an abject benefit to letting him walk, and that benefit is being able to instantly plug a guy into his slot in the rotation who has team chemistry and has grown *with this team* functionally his entire pro career.
Unless you can get an impact player in return I think you keep him and just suck it up if and when he walks for more money.
Issue is the trade deadline is rapidly approaching. We need to see what the team looks like with Terry. If the bench units are still getting fucked by lack of ball handling (might be okay with Jaime on ball more) then we need a backup guard. If the bench/starting units are still getting fucked by lack of bigs on defense then we need a 4 as Jaime is more of a 3 and Jovic isn’t a defensive guy. If we need a backup guard the only way we’re getting it is with a Caleb trade because there’s no good guards on the buyout market under the 1st apron limit. If we need a 4 it’s either a Caleb trade or a washed Ariza type of buyout for like 900 year old PJ Tucker who’s just under the apron limit.
Personally I think we keep Caleb and just see what happens. Playoff experience and iron balls are what you want going into March/April and he has both. As long as the roster construction works and doesn’t have any major exploitable holes.
Dream scenario for me is Hornets manage to trade Lowry to another team that needs more cap relief for a couple seconds, and that second team buys him out. After the secondary trade we qualify to sign him on buyouts if we can shed 4.5m in salary (Bryant+Dru) to get under the 1st apron. Then we re-sign Lowry as bench PG. That would be the ultimate finesse.
Does he have a lingering injury or something? He’s playing nowhere near his production in the Playoffs.
Love Caleb, but we will lose him in the off-season. Additionally, Jamie’s play means he’s a bit less necessary. If we can move him for a bigger player who is locked up for a few years, you have to consider it.
Yeah I would love to keep him. This depends on whether you think Caleb can give you something to win this year or not. If you think so and believe he’s required, you run his contract out and lose him for nothing in the offseason, if he got a title from it and the Heat do as well, everybody wins. If not, Heat can’t sign him next year to that contract he wants (and deserves) so at that point, might as well cash out for someone who’s still got a few years on their contract and can contribute about as much this year and maybe more next year.
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We all love Caleb but writing is on the wall. Especially if he wants 15 mil or more a year.
A trade for DFS makes so much sense if we can get numbers to work. And he plays larger than Caleb
Goated shot celebration
If you aren’t gonna pay him move him for something that can help contribute. Asset management
We don’t “need” him. We have wings and there’s no chance we retain him after this year. We need more size and more ball handling. If you can find a way to move him for that you do it. Sick of this team overvaluing its role players. I like Caleb, I appreciate what’s he done, I think he’s a good player, but he’s not above the needs of the team.
I agree. And I don’t think we have anymore cap space for him unfortunately.
If we can’t pay him next year, we need to move him this year.
We don’t need him though. We still have a solid record despite him barely playing this year. If there’s a deal out there involving Caleb to get us more size then it should be explored.
Got floor seats for the heat magic game, he was the only player to come and speak with the fans and sign kids stuff. He gained my respect forever.
i feel like i’m in the twilight zone. even *if* he walks in the offseason, which is incredibly probable, why even bother trading him? your two options are “Caleb Martin for 40 games and the playoffs and the ability to extend Haywood Highsmith” or “A lesser player being paid the same/more money that would disqualify you from extending Haywood Highsmith”
and, if your hangup here is “we’re mortgaging our window on Haywood Highsmith” i’m going to try to remind you that Haywood is a top 3 defender on this team right now, made a leap to being a playable offensive player in 2 seasons and knows the system. if the fork in the road is “Caleb now, Haywood later” or “Dorian Finney-Smith for 2 years” I’m absolutely letting Caleb walk. are you out of your fucking mind? DFS is basically Haywood per 100 possessions offensively as a much shittier defender lmao
EDIT: just to loop back to this, this fanbase probably feels this way because they let Max and Gabe walk for what was functionally nothing. the Heat didn’t get to *do* anything as a result of that. it was just two net-losses. what you’re seeing with Caleb right now *isn’t that*. there is an abject benefit to letting him walk, and that benefit is being able to instantly plug a guy into his slot in the rotation who has team chemistry and has grown *with this team* functionally his entire pro career.
Unless you can get an impact player in return I think you keep him and just suck it up if and when he walks for more money.
Issue is the trade deadline is rapidly approaching. We need to see what the team looks like with Terry. If the bench units are still getting fucked by lack of ball handling (might be okay with Jaime on ball more) then we need a backup guard. If the bench/starting units are still getting fucked by lack of bigs on defense then we need a 4 as Jaime is more of a 3 and Jovic isn’t a defensive guy. If we need a backup guard the only way we’re getting it is with a Caleb trade because there’s no good guards on the buyout market under the 1st apron limit. If we need a 4 it’s either a Caleb trade or a washed Ariza type of buyout for like 900 year old PJ Tucker who’s just under the apron limit.
Personally I think we keep Caleb and just see what happens. Playoff experience and iron balls are what you want going into March/April and he has both. As long as the roster construction works and doesn’t have any major exploitable holes.
Dream scenario for me is Hornets manage to trade Lowry to another team that needs more cap relief for a couple seconds, and that second team buys him out. After the secondary trade we qualify to sign him on buyouts if we can shed 4.5m in salary (Bryant+Dru) to get under the 1st apron. Then we re-sign Lowry as bench PG. That would be the ultimate finesse.
Does he have a lingering injury or something? He’s playing nowhere near his production in the Playoffs.
Love Caleb, but we will lose him in the off-season. Additionally, Jamie’s play means he’s a bit less necessary. If we can move him for a bigger player who is locked up for a few years, you have to consider it.
Yeah I would love to keep him. This depends on whether you think Caleb can give you something to win this year or not. If you think so and believe he’s required, you run his contract out and lose him for nothing in the offseason, if he got a title from it and the Heat do as well, everybody wins. If not, Heat can’t sign him next year to that contract he wants (and deserves) so at that point, might as well cash out for someone who’s still got a few years on their contract and can contribute about as much this year and maybe more next year.