To continue on what Lowe said: “**Players hear that stuff too. Maybe that impacted like ‘I gotta give this a go, it’s another national tv game.’**”
Lowe and athletic trainer and injury analyst Jeff Stotts also talked about the injury: “**It might not have been that he suffered the injury when Kuminga fell on him. This could have been something that’s pre-existing. That that was causing the inflammation and soreness. Or it could have been just in there and asymptomatic. And once they did the MRI something showed up in the MRI.**”
[Source](https://open.spotify.com/episode/4gvOZEXRtABqJT4w33n6Fy). Time mark is around 17 minutes.
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One of the weirder modern nba storylines
Eh. It’s 6ers staff and embiids fault for not knowing his body limits. Stop blaming outside forces. It’s your body end of the day and you trust it to paid professionals.
Embiid is ultimately accountable, because its pretty clear he decides if and when he plays. Having said that, there’s definitely an emotional element to being the most hated guy in the league. The culture of this sub in particular is so toxic, there was a day last week where the top 10 posts were all hating on him.
The fact this is getting downvoted sort of proves Zach’s point.
This narrative is the biggest BS out of philly since Ben Simmons.
It was a freak accident that occurred independently of the pre-existing narrative going into the game. That’s not to say his other knee wouldn’t have been worse for wear, but to conflate the two incidents is just willfully ignorant.
One the flip side is we got to watch Kawhi, PG, Curry, AD and LeBron, who all have missed a lot of games in the past years, playing. I’m inclined to say it’s a success overall. Top players get injured every season and miss All NBA. It just happens to be Embiid and Haliburton this year.
These guys are pros and get paid millions and still blame the outside noise/fans/critics for everything bad that happens to them. Fucking hell
Let this die already
The 65 game rule is just so awards voters don’t have to make an arbitrary decision about how many games missed is too many. It was something they already did, but now they don’t have to justify an arbitrary cutoff when making their case. It’s 65 games.
Most tiresome and pathetic storyline.
Joel is always blaming others, it’s incredible lol
> they themselves could be to blame
Lowe expects us to take accountability for shitposting?
Nate Duncan said it best, everyone has egg on their face after this. The league, the fans, the sixers medical staff all look like clowns right now in their own way
Look Lowe always gives lukewarm takes to not make anyone mad, the rule is fine the voters have always considered when casting their vote.
This sub seems really defensive about all this, like, if you actually reflect on this, maybe it’s a good lesson to shut the fuck up about players “faking injury” but instead it’s “ugh so whiny.”
Like every corner of basketball fandom was shouting like bloody murder after Embiid “ducked” Jokic. Even if that had zero actual impact on embiid’s decision, it was still wrong, and an obviously false narrative. It also shows an entitlement problem in nba media and fandom imo. I don’t expect self reflection from the internet, but I do think a lot of y’all should.
This is such a dumb story. Everyone just throwin blame on random people when at the end of the day it was a freak accident that caused him to have an injury. Then you have the idiots blaming medical staff to let him play, like yea he is a basketball player who is not going to be playing 100% this far into the season. That does not mean he can’t play or that if he does there is no reason-injury risk. Medical staff isn’t god and sometimes a situation has no one to blame but is a fact of playing the sport.
Media will bitch about everything, regardless of what you do, because they get paid to make content. Then the majority of fans simply repeat arguments and talking points they heard from the media.
Players that act based on what either say are foolish. Ignore both and collect rings and nothing else matters.
This made me realize it probably wasn’t easy for Kawhi to sit on the Spurs and for the rest of his career.
Definitely a thick skinned super star.
65 games rule is fine.
kuminga falling on him is also a very unfortunate accident.
but I have to admit.
next time Embiid is not showing up in Denver. I would still enjoy the drama
Oh NOW you guys want to stop talking about this. It was like 4/5 of the sub when it fit your narrative. But now that most of the people here look like total dumbasses we should stop talking about it
Seeing waaaaay too many toxic Embiid fans on Twitter (Josh reynolds) blaming everybody except Joel and the medical staff which is the real culprit
idk, I didn’t make any comments about this whole situation (including the game vs. Denver), but I don’t understand it.
If Embiid was out vs. Nuggets and vs. Trail Blazers, what’s the rush to bring him back vs. Warriors? At that point, the damage is done (so to speak). People made their jokes about him ducking the Nuggets and then when he was out vs. Trail Blazers, some people who legitimately thought he was ducking changed their minds (and probably others didn’t, but that’s inevitable). There’s not really a narrative about him vs. the Warriors, and the Warriors haven’t been particularly good this season. Sure, it’s a “national TV game,” but that’s not the supposed reason he “ducked” in the first place. And Embiid himself laughed at the crowd in Denver. Again, not saying social media wasn’t toxic about it or that it was fine for people to question his injury, but I don’t see why he would have felt such urgency regarding *this* game (in relation to fan discourse).
A post about nothing
Right blame the fans 😂. Trash. He’s an adult with a team of adults making decisions together. Garbage take
It’s a shame that it was Kuminga that fell on him and not Draymond because if it was Draymond we would just blame him and not have to listen to all of these stupid debates.
The “ducking Jokic” thing is the dumbest narrative I’ve seen this sub run with. My guy, they played each other only a couple of weeks ago, and Embiid almost always outplays Jokic
The 65 game thing shouldnt even be needed. However it exists bc the players and organizations were abusing load management and costing the league money
Dude is injury-prone. Get over it.
Shifting the blame won’t change that.
Lowe is right on this one.
all of this to avoid accountability. I guess we conveniently forgot that Embiid was limping around and even fell down with no one touching him, and the staff did nothing
The rest of this podcast he gave a reasoned response to the 65 game limit and said realistically that is the point most voters start discounting players anyway from season ending awards. Guys right between 60-64 might have a grievance but if one guy plays 95% as well and plays 15 more games are you really giving it to the guy that showed up that much less, even without the rule?
If he wanted to prove he wasn’t ducking jokic he would have sat out longer, this whole narrative makes no sense
Bring on the blame, Low. I am frigging proud of us faceless nobodies if we can control a multimillionaire mental minnow like that.
If you think this is the fans fault even a little bit, you are insane
I don’t don’t want any player to get injured, not even Embiid, but part of the reason he will get paid 47.6 million is the risk of injury. He makes almost 3 times what the average S&P 500 CEO makes to play a game. If playing 65 games is too hard on his body, he should probably retire and do something less physical.
Listen, if you’re injured, you’re injured. Sit out and deal with the injury. However, if you want to command the type of salary Embiid does or be in consideration for MVP, I don’t think aiming to play at least 80% of the games is a big ask.
Or maybe Embiid just is made of paper.
Hey man, the truth of the matter is embiid could have been entirely healthy and then still gotten injured by a huge human falling on his knee. This notion that “oh he wasn’t 100%” is believable if he got a rebound and got injured, but why are we just ignoring that someone FELL ON HIS KNEE.
It’s the fans fault that Embiid had to literally just do his job.
How about it’s not the rules fault, the fans’ fault or the media’s fault? Or even Embiid’s fault or the teams fault?
He coincidentally got hurt in his first game back. Period.
I don’t think anyone needs to be “blamed” except maybe the Sixers medical staff (who’s been a dumpster fire for nearly a decade).
But we can acknowledge that the discourse around the Nuggets game was shitty and toxic.
Two things can be true: NBA fans and media were acting like assholes with this narrative, but at the same time, aren’t responsible for the injury.