9ers coaches have talent but lack the discipline and attention to detail you need to win it all.
So there’s been a ton of talk about this, from what I can tell from a pure probability perspective it’s basically even either way…the advantage from having four downs on the second drive is entirely offset by the advantage of having first shot at sudden death. So the choice comes down to coaching style and preference based on matchup.
I agree you generally don’t want to give Mahomes four downs and the knowledge of what he needs to finish it. That’s a “matchup” consideration. But from a general “any two given NFL teams” perspective, either choice is equally valid. Shannahan didn’t necessarily “screw up.” And I’m entirely unsurprised Reid wanted to defer.
As for players not knowing the new rule? Funny, but not really a huge deal. It’s the first time it’s come up, and it doesn’t actually change the decision-making for anybody except maybe the QB.
“We want the ball and we’re gonna lose!”
I dont think the decision to recieve is as bad as people are making it out to be. But this video really puts into perspective how opposite the teams felt. The chiefs really really wanted the ball second
In a vacuum kicking first makes the most sense – but I think 49ers were smart letting their defense get some rest.
Kinda blows my mind. Like, as a professional in a fairly niche field, you’d think that you’d be all over major changes like that as it’s part of your job… That was kind of a big deal when they changed it
It appears that no one is happy when the Chiefs go into overtime. When we lost to the Patriots the same way that the Bills lost to us and then successfully changed the rule to possibly help them (after we tried and failed to changed the rule), the Whiners find a way to act like they didn’t know the rule. It was a big deal when it got changed, I’m not buying their nonsense for a second.
is the full mic’d up available anywhere yet?
That they didn’t know the OT process was crazy. It’s their job, the game is their only job. NO ONE on the team talked about the changes that came about after the 2021 season? Not even after they made it to the post season?
Then me, just a fan, knew of & understood the changes made after the 2021 season, over a year ago in March 2022?
That’s just staggering. **-_-**
This should be a fireable offense.
Moments before disaster
Yeah but if 9ers stop KC then 9ers look like a bunch of geniuses for putting an exhausted chiefs D back on the field
Defenses were both gassed in OT. Whoever got the ball second, with 4 downs to work with, was most likely getting a TD.
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why people are saying get ball 2nd? Why would you put the game in the hands of Patrick Mahomes instead of the Chiefs defense.
If the 49ers kick off:
Mahomes gets the ball and drives down and scores a TD. Chiefs go for 2 and get it, it’s 27-19.
The best the 49ers can do is hope to tie. Let’s say they do and it’s 27-27.
Mahomes gets the ball back and only needs 3 to seal the win.
What’s crazy is the ref went through the overtime rules before the coin toss…before overtime even started. Also this rule has been around since 2022. There’s no excuse to not know this, especially in that situation.
I love Kelce, “they’re morons, let’s go kick their asses”. 🤣
I’m glad they won the toss and made the wrong choice. If we had won the coin toss and obviously taken the ball 2nd.. the rest of the league would be saying how unfair the new rules are.
In all honesty I believe the new rules are as fair as they have ever been. There are advantages and disadvantages to getting the ball first and 2nd and you will never have a situation in which one QB never got a chance. With that said it was foolish for them to go 1st. My immediate thought was.. “omg they are going to give Mahomes 4 downs, game over.”
What program is this??
Idk why but Jay Culter is great as a TV personality.
I get Shannys reasoning for it. Mahomes hadn’t drove the field for a TD the whole game BUT…after the longest drought OF HIS CAREER without scoring a TD (negating the TO possession obviously) the likelihood gets smaller that they hold them again.
the chiefs coaching staff is just smarter. period.
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This is wild to me. They legit didn’t know.
9ers coaches have talent but lack the discipline and attention to detail you need to win it all.
So there’s been a ton of talk about this, from what I can tell from a pure probability perspective it’s basically even either way…the advantage from having four downs on the second drive is entirely offset by the advantage of having first shot at sudden death. So the choice comes down to coaching style and preference based on matchup.
I agree you generally don’t want to give Mahomes four downs and the knowledge of what he needs to finish it. That’s a “matchup” consideration. But from a general “any two given NFL teams” perspective, either choice is equally valid. Shannahan didn’t necessarily “screw up.” And I’m entirely unsurprised Reid wanted to defer.
As for players not knowing the new rule? Funny, but not really a huge deal. It’s the first time it’s come up, and it doesn’t actually change the decision-making for anybody except maybe the QB.
“We want the ball and we’re gonna lose!”
I dont think the decision to recieve is as bad as people are making it out to be. But this video really puts into perspective how opposite the teams felt. The chiefs really really wanted the ball second
In a vacuum kicking first makes the most sense – but I think 49ers were smart letting their defense get some rest.
Kinda blows my mind. Like, as a professional in a fairly niche field, you’d think that you’d be all over major changes like that as it’s part of your job… That was kind of a big deal when they changed it
It appears that no one is happy when the Chiefs go into overtime. When we lost to the Patriots the same way that the Bills lost to us and then successfully changed the rule to possibly help them (after we tried and failed to changed the rule), the Whiners find a way to act like they didn’t know the rule. It was a big deal when it got changed, I’m not buying their nonsense for a second.
is the full mic’d up available anywhere yet?
That they didn’t know the OT process was crazy. It’s their job, the game is their only job. NO ONE on the team talked about the changes that came about after the 2021 season? Not even after they made it to the post season?
Then me, just a fan, knew of & understood the changes made after the 2021 season, over a year ago in March 2022?
That’s just staggering. **-_-**
This should be a fireable offense.
Moments before disaster
Yeah but if 9ers stop KC then 9ers look like a bunch of geniuses for putting an exhausted chiefs D back on the field
Defenses were both gassed in OT. Whoever got the ball second, with 4 downs to work with, was most likely getting a TD.
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why people are saying get ball 2nd? Why would you put the game in the hands of Patrick Mahomes instead of the Chiefs defense.
If the 49ers kick off:
Mahomes gets the ball and drives down and scores a TD. Chiefs go for 2 and get it, it’s 27-19.
The best the 49ers can do is hope to tie. Let’s say they do and it’s 27-27.
Mahomes gets the ball back and only needs 3 to seal the win.
What’s crazy is the ref went through the overtime rules before the coin toss…before overtime even started. Also this rule has been around since 2022. There’s no excuse to not know this, especially in that situation.
I love Kelce, “they’re morons, let’s go kick their asses”. 🤣
I’m glad they won the toss and made the wrong choice. If we had won the coin toss and obviously taken the ball 2nd.. the rest of the league would be saying how unfair the new rules are.
In all honesty I believe the new rules are as fair as they have ever been. There are advantages and disadvantages to getting the ball first and 2nd and you will never have a situation in which one QB never got a chance. With that said it was foolish for them to go 1st. My immediate thought was.. “omg they are going to give Mahomes 4 downs, game over.”
What program is this??
Idk why but Jay Culter is great as a TV personality.
I get Shannys reasoning for it. Mahomes hadn’t drove the field for a TD the whole game BUT…after the longest drought OF HIS CAREER without scoring a TD (negating the TO possession obviously) the likelihood gets smaller that they hold them again.
the chiefs coaching staff is just smarter. period.