This is just an attempt at sensationalizing what was rational thought at the time against the backdrop of what we know happened. Bill shouldn’t have sat back and predicted the run we had. He needed to keep the best interest of the teams future in mind too.
I thought it made perfect sense. Tommy became the outlier.
Look at Wilson? Same age as Tommy was in 2013.
Look at Ben at 35/36
Look at Peyton
Hell, I believe during the Brady 6/Elway to Marino, Walsh mentioned possibly trading Montana FOR Elway because it’s smarter to move earlier than too late.
“We have to be ready to move on” sound like my coach looking out for my team.
Seriously how much evidence is it going to take for this sub to admit that bill was a shit coach offensively.
It’s pretty clear his drafting and defensive mind was amazing for trotting out a Super Bowl caliber defense nearly every year. Pair that with a psycho like Brady and you get the run.
It’s bullshit. So Kraft stopped Bill from trading Brady to install Jimmy, but didn’t stop him from low balling Brady? At this point in time it’s rumored Brady and Kraft were trying to oust Bill for O’Brien, but somehow Kraft, who never respected Bill, convinced him to let Brady walk? I call bullshit. This was Krafts fault and Bill was his human shield
Bill who wouldn’t sign a big time WR and then in desperation trades a 2nd for Sanu…. never forget
Just more Kraft passing the buck. Don’t know what else to expect from this doc, other than Kraft good belichick bad
I’ll take things that didn’t happen for 1,000, Alex.
Bill made a career out of cold, hard, rational decisions devoid of sentimentality. Every player gets old. Brady is the GOAT, but since no player has ever come close to his productivity at 42+ there was no reason to believe he would do what he did.
I lot of people on here wish we had played Brady until his arms fell off, but everyone would have hated that too.
It’s hilarious when you look at who bill gave Brady to throw to. The offense was designed around short and intermediate. Was he supposed to be chucking bombs to Edelman?
You literally have every player interviewed saying bill was too tough on Brady. Kraft saying he thought Brady was about to be washed.
But people will still say “they’re just trying to make Belichick look bad!!!”
I think it’s worth noting that while Brady did win a Super Bowl after he was let go, he did so on a roster with Mike Evans, Antonio Brown, Gronk, Leonard Fournette, and Chris Godwin. He also had an elite defense, and one of the better coaches I’ve ever known of in Arians. Within 2 years of that he was a first round exit to Dallas.
There was zero chance Brady wins another ring here before he retired. Gronk was gone. Edelman was a year away from hanging it up. NKeal was already a bust. White was close to done. We absolutely needed to reset, and moving on was the right choice even in hindsight. It was choosing to hitch our wagon to Mac Jones while whiffing on many offensive draft picks and letting other key FAs go that sunk this team.
Maybe bill was the reason those free agents were let go, but maybe Kraft low balled them too.
Fuck Robert Kraft
Fuck Robert Kraft
Kraft’s have lost my respect after this documentary. Kraft is gunning to be Jerry Jones 2.0 at this point. Literal hit piece on Bill and Kraft to look good. Honestly so done with the Kraft Family.
BB didn’t give Brady an outside deep threat for his final 11 years with the patriots, outside one year of Brandon Cooks – and he was too small to win back shoulder/contested throws.
It makes sense at the time. Bill had to do what was logical and get a new guy in the building to sit back and develop, it was unheard of for a guy to stay at that level into his 40s but Brady is the goat. If it was anyone else in that spot he probably would have been right on expecting a decline but this was a unique case. I don’t fault him for it.
I know I had the same mindset at the time Brady didn’t look like himself his last season here. Hindsight’s 20/20 obviously I was wrong but while he did win another Super Bowl he didn’t last that much longer in Tampa anyway.
Kraft could have picked Tom over Bill btw. Now he’s covering his own ass and blaming Bill. Grow up Robert.
yeah, because you surrounded him with 5 foot 10 white wide receivers
This has been reported before by wickersham and others. Kraft resented Bill for insisting the Patriots move on after he watched Brady win another title and Bill failed to cultivate a viable plan at QB. Bill was clearly wrong about Brady being done despite what metrics on previous players said, and that coupled with other personnel missteps sealed his fate. Doesn’t mean Bill wasn’t a great coach for 19 years before losing his GM instincts, doesn’t mean Kraft was wrong to be frustrated that his coach was seriously off his personnel game in recent years.
Even after Bill had Brady, the team drafted Rohan Davey (2002), Kliff Kingsbury (2003), Matt Cassel (2005), Kevin O’Connell (2008), Zac Robinson (2010), Ryan Mallett (2011), Jimmy G (2014), Jacoby Brissett (2016), Danny Etling (2018), and Jarret Stidham (2019). What does this mean? It’s good to have a backup plan. So I think this is more unnecessary Bill bashing from Kraft.
Can’t expect to run an offense that relies on screens and also wonder why the QB doesn’t throw 20 yard plus passes.
If true, Belichick is ignoring the fact that all his OCs implemented a dink and dunk offense based on screens.
There is nothing wrong with that, as long as it’s accurate. The problem is Bill’s ego began to affect his judgement, and the rest is history. He was dead wrong.
And look how things turned out. Bill prepare and look at us now!
Oh wait…..
Yeah thats why he drafted Jimmy G.
We already this from Jimmy G but he failed to prepare for the departure
I’d need a year this was said
Listen up yall.
BB moved on early from talent before the player’s salary became unwieldy for the forecasted production.
It worked. 9 SB appearances. 6 wins. A whole bunch of conference champ appearances. ONLY 5 SEASONS SANS PLAYOFF APPEARANCES.
Was he wrong about the GOAT’s endurance? Sure. But that’s why Brady is a goat.
Shit on his recent drafting and FA acquisitions all you want, but letting aging/expensive FAs walk and trading down picks is why we stayed in championship contention for 20 YEARS.
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This is just an attempt at sensationalizing what was rational thought at the time against the backdrop of what we know happened. Bill shouldn’t have sat back and predicted the run we had. He needed to keep the best interest of the teams future in mind too.
I thought it made perfect sense. Tommy became the outlier.
Look at Wilson? Same age as Tommy was in 2013.
Look at Ben at 35/36
Look at Peyton
Hell, I believe during the Brady 6/Elway to Marino, Walsh mentioned possibly trading Montana FOR Elway because it’s smarter to move earlier than too late.
“We have to be ready to move on” sound like my coach looking out for my team.
Seriously how much evidence is it going to take for this sub to admit that bill was a shit coach offensively.
It’s pretty clear his drafting and defensive mind was amazing for trotting out a Super Bowl caliber defense nearly every year. Pair that with a psycho like Brady and you get the run.
It’s bullshit. So Kraft stopped Bill from trading Brady to install Jimmy, but didn’t stop him from low balling Brady? At this point in time it’s rumored Brady and Kraft were trying to oust Bill for O’Brien, but somehow Kraft, who never respected Bill, convinced him to let Brady walk? I call bullshit. This was Krafts fault and Bill was his human shield
Bill who wouldn’t sign a big time WR and then in desperation trades a 2nd for Sanu…. never forget
Just more Kraft passing the buck. Don’t know what else to expect from this doc, other than Kraft good belichick bad
I’ll take things that didn’t happen for 1,000, Alex.
Bill made a career out of cold, hard, rational decisions devoid of sentimentality. Every player gets old. Brady is the GOAT, but since no player has ever come close to his productivity at 42+ there was no reason to believe he would do what he did.
I lot of people on here wish we had played Brady until his arms fell off, but everyone would have hated that too.
It’s hilarious when you look at who bill gave Brady to throw to. The offense was designed around short and intermediate. Was he supposed to be chucking bombs to Edelman?
You literally have every player interviewed saying bill was too tough on Brady. Kraft saying he thought Brady was about to be washed.
But people will still say “they’re just trying to make Belichick look bad!!!”
I think it’s worth noting that while Brady did win a Super Bowl after he was let go, he did so on a roster with Mike Evans, Antonio Brown, Gronk, Leonard Fournette, and Chris Godwin. He also had an elite defense, and one of the better coaches I’ve ever known of in Arians. Within 2 years of that he was a first round exit to Dallas.
There was zero chance Brady wins another ring here before he retired. Gronk was gone. Edelman was a year away from hanging it up. NKeal was already a bust. White was close to done. We absolutely needed to reset, and moving on was the right choice even in hindsight. It was choosing to hitch our wagon to Mac Jones while whiffing on many offensive draft picks and letting other key FAs go that sunk this team.
Maybe bill was the reason those free agents were let go, but maybe Kraft low balled them too.
Fuck Robert Kraft
Fuck Robert Kraft
Kraft’s have lost my respect after this documentary. Kraft is gunning to be Jerry Jones 2.0 at this point. Literal hit piece on Bill and Kraft to look good. Honestly so done with the Kraft Family.
BB didn’t give Brady an outside deep threat for his final 11 years with the patriots, outside one year of Brandon Cooks – and he was too small to win back shoulder/contested throws.
It makes sense at the time. Bill had to do what was logical and get a new guy in the building to sit back and develop, it was unheard of for a guy to stay at that level into his 40s but Brady is the goat. If it was anyone else in that spot he probably would have been right on expecting a decline but this was a unique case. I don’t fault him for it.
I know I had the same mindset at the time Brady didn’t look like himself his last season here. Hindsight’s 20/20 obviously I was wrong but while he did win another Super Bowl he didn’t last that much longer in Tampa anyway.
Kraft could have picked Tom over Bill btw. Now he’s covering his own ass and blaming Bill. Grow up Robert.
yeah, because you surrounded him with 5 foot 10 white wide receivers
This has been reported before by wickersham and others. Kraft resented Bill for insisting the Patriots move on after he watched Brady win another title and Bill failed to cultivate a viable plan at QB. Bill was clearly wrong about Brady being done despite what metrics on previous players said, and that coupled with other personnel missteps sealed his fate. Doesn’t mean Bill wasn’t a great coach for 19 years before losing his GM instincts, doesn’t mean Kraft was wrong to be frustrated that his coach was seriously off his personnel game in recent years.
Even after Bill had Brady, the team drafted Rohan Davey (2002), Kliff Kingsbury (2003), Matt Cassel (2005), Kevin O’Connell (2008), Zac Robinson (2010), Ryan Mallett (2011), Jimmy G (2014), Jacoby Brissett (2016), Danny Etling (2018), and Jarret Stidham (2019). What does this mean? It’s good to have a backup plan. So I think this is more unnecessary Bill bashing from Kraft.
Can’t expect to run an offense that relies on screens and also wonder why the QB doesn’t throw 20 yard plus passes.
If true, Belichick is ignoring the fact that all his OCs implemented a dink and dunk offense based on screens.
There is nothing wrong with that, as long as it’s accurate. The problem is Bill’s ego began to affect his judgement, and the rest is history. He was dead wrong.
And look how things turned out. Bill prepare and look at us now!
Oh wait…..
Yeah thats why he drafted Jimmy G.
We already this from Jimmy G but he failed to prepare for the departure
I’d need a year this was said
Listen up yall.
BB moved on early from talent before the player’s salary became unwieldy for the forecasted production.
It worked. 9 SB appearances. 6 wins. A whole bunch of conference champ appearances. ONLY 5 SEASONS SANS PLAYOFF APPEARANCES.
Was he wrong about the GOAT’s endurance? Sure. But that’s why Brady is a goat.
Shit on his recent drafting and FA acquisitions all you want, but letting aging/expensive FAs walk and trading down picks is why we stayed in championship contention for 20 YEARS.