ESPN’s Jeff Passan on How Much Longer MLB Will Have to Suffer Angel Hernandez | The Rich Eisen Show
April 16, 2024
ESPN’s Jeff Passan on How Much Longer MLB Will Have to Suffer Angel Hernandez | The Rich Eisen Show
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There is an aspect to this that I wonder to Passan’s last point. Is it necessarily in the moment? Like for some guys yeah making 1 call probably influences the next call. But for Angel or other umps, is it “I called this wrong so I have to call this next one in the same spot the same to keep it consistent” or “I called this wrong and while I probably missed it, I didn’t like how the batter or pitcher reacted so I am going to follow up with the same in spite”.
The Braves announcers last night alluded to the later in an Olson AB. The ump called a low pitch a strike on Olson and he didn’t agree with the call. The next pitch appeared to miss the zone too but was called and they said something alluding to the follow up call being out of spite.
Great segment. Baseball is a game deep-rooted in tradition, and many of us love it for that reason. However, umpires should not be getting national media attention due to their poor performance. I’m all for change as long as the game is positively affected.
Want to get rid of Angel? Find his HP assignments and tell all fans not to show up.
Or MLB to only assign him to White Sox home games
I hate Angel Hernandez and a lot of umps like him because I *don’t* want roboumps. I like the human element and small variations of a human umpire. I think too much of baseball has becoming controlling every variable and spitting out a single number. I think baseball needs more controllable variables.
*But* it has to be small variables. One ump calls more lower strikes, another is more of a hitter’s ump. Not the vindictive umps who call ball or strikes to get back at people.
I’m a union guy through and through, but fuck the Ump union. I seriously don’t get how they have so much power, MLB has broken their union before and if push came to shove they can do it again. I don’t know why they put up with them.
They need to make punishments transparent with the public and stop acting like they’re the most important part of the game.
Just have the ump wear and ear piece that would let him know if they get a call wrong. We have the technology to do it.
The human element is great when it’s a split second tag at 2nd or an awesome curve ball that barely caught the black.
Angel Hernandez makes rooting for the human element horrible
The umpires union is 4 Life, and you already know Angel is going to outlive all of us.
To be honest, my boss probably wonders the same thing about me.
Jeff Passan looks like he could eat an entire human in one bite
Someone help me out here… Angel is behind the dish tonight in Milwaukee. I’ll be sitting like 15 yards from him on Wednesday’s day game. How much trouble can you get in for just generally booing Angel? Can he eject fans?
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If we have a way of more accurately making calls we should use it. It would be like the ump making calls from 30 rows back in the stands. Everyone would agree that it would be more accurate for them to stand closer. Same thing with robo umps.
My Facebook memory from 2016 today was bitching about Hernandez. He is consistent.
Angel missed that spot so much I’m pretty sure both pitchers figured out they could throw way outside of the zone and still get a strike call
Baseball’s John Krasinski had some good bits in this.
I really like Jeff, but my god is he needlessly verbose on TV.
God this seriously can’t come soon enough
what ever happens he will sue the mlb.
Why the fuck can’t (or won’t) umpires ever take back a call when it’s obvious they were wrong???
There is no reason why McNeil should have been forced to use his timeout; when he said “no, I was asking if I still had a timeout left” that should have been that, no time out, get on with the fucking at-bat.
Too bad the MLBPA doesn’t have the balls to stand up to a lot of this bullshit.
Same as NBA and their overtly corrupt officials.
I guess the MLB could try to remove him (they definitely won’t because lawsuits), or they could let him be the poster ump of the ABS. Because allowing known bad umpires to keep working is clearly only serving to hasten the switch, which is actually what they want anyway.
So excited to see him work live tonight….. ugh
When was the last time an ump was dropped for poor performance? Has it happened? Or once you make it to the majors you are a supreme Court justice?
Do the players want Angel out because there is one way to do it. Refuse to play if he is behind the plate. MLB will just pay him to stay home the first time a game is cancelled due to him behind the plate.
I created AngelHernandezReports, a parody news sub that imagines our favorite umpire as a new reporter covering sensational stories. If it moves you, check it out.
The best way to fix this is just to shit can angel and not introduce strike/ball automation. VAR has been a disaster for the premier league and would hate to see the same thing with MLB
If we aren’t going to get robo umps, what I propose is an incentive structure for accuracy. Basically for consistency and accuracy, umpires are eligible for bonuses if they can call games accurately.
I know the initial reaction is that you don’t want these guys getting any extra money, but if they’re blowing calls, they won’t be getting squat. But then maybe Angel Hernandez will think twice about that strike call when there’s money on the line.
Just go to robo-umps on pitch calls. We don’t need all this footsie bullshit about challenges. Just get the call right the first time. It’s 2024, we have the technology, lets stop with all the bullshit.
Does the K zone we see on tv (and that is used on the “umpire score cards” vary with the size and stance of the batter? Because it’s supposed to (but I don’t think it does in practice)
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There is an aspect to this that I wonder to Passan’s last point. Is it necessarily in the moment? Like for some guys yeah making 1 call probably influences the next call. But for Angel or other umps, is it “I called this wrong so I have to call this next one in the same spot the same to keep it consistent” or “I called this wrong and while I probably missed it, I didn’t like how the batter or pitcher reacted so I am going to follow up with the same in spite”.
The Braves announcers last night alluded to the later in an Olson AB. The ump called a low pitch a strike on Olson and he didn’t agree with the call. The next pitch appeared to miss the zone too but was called and they said something alluding to the follow up call being out of spite.
Great segment. Baseball is a game deep-rooted in tradition, and many of us love it for that reason. However, umpires should not be getting national media attention due to their poor performance. I’m all for change as long as the game is positively affected.
Want to get rid of Angel? Find his HP assignments and tell all fans not to show up.
Or MLB to only assign him to White Sox home games
I hate Angel Hernandez and a lot of umps like him because I *don’t* want roboumps. I like the human element and small variations of a human umpire. I think too much of baseball has becoming controlling every variable and spitting out a single number. I think baseball needs more controllable variables.
*But* it has to be small variables. One ump calls more lower strikes, another is more of a hitter’s ump. Not the vindictive umps who call ball or strikes to get back at people.
I’m a union guy through and through, but fuck the Ump union. I seriously don’t get how they have so much power, MLB has broken their union before and if push came to shove they can do it again. I don’t know why they put up with them.
They need to make punishments transparent with the public and stop acting like they’re the most important part of the game.
Just have the ump wear and ear piece that would let him know if they get a call wrong. We have the technology to do it.
The human element is great when it’s a split second tag at 2nd or an awesome curve ball that barely caught the black.
Angel Hernandez makes rooting for the human element horrible
The umpires union is 4 Life, and you already know Angel is going to outlive all of us.
To be honest, my boss probably wonders the same thing about me.
Jeff Passan looks like he could eat an entire human in one bite
Someone help me out here… Angel is behind the dish tonight in Milwaukee. I’ll be sitting like 15 yards from him on Wednesday’s day game. How much trouble can you get in for just generally booing Angel? Can he eject fans?
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If we have a way of more accurately making calls we should use it. It would be like the ump making calls from 30 rows back in the stands. Everyone would agree that it would be more accurate for them to stand closer. Same thing with robo umps.
My Facebook memory from 2016 today was bitching about Hernandez. He is consistent.
Angel missed that spot so much I’m pretty sure both pitchers figured out they could throw way outside of the zone and still get a strike call
Baseball’s John Krasinski had some good bits in this.
I’ve known angel as trash ever since [this](https://youtu.be/6htcE_vvZxg?si=TiGEggMaasESM_T1) happened over 20 years ago lol
I really like Jeff, but my god is he needlessly verbose on TV.
God this seriously can’t come soon enough
what ever happens he will sue the mlb.
Why the fuck can’t (or won’t) umpires ever take back a call when it’s obvious they were wrong???
There is no reason why McNeil should have been forced to use his timeout; when he said “no, I was asking if I still had a timeout left” that should have been that, no time out, get on with the fucking at-bat.
Too bad the MLBPA doesn’t have the balls to stand up to a lot of this bullshit.
Same as NBA and their overtly corrupt officials.
I guess the MLB could try to remove him (they definitely won’t because lawsuits), or they could let him be the poster ump of the ABS. Because allowing known bad umpires to keep working is clearly only serving to hasten the switch, which is actually what they want anyway.
So excited to see him work live tonight….. ugh
When was the last time an ump was dropped for poor performance? Has it happened? Or once you make it to the majors you are a supreme Court justice?
Do the players want Angel out because there is one way to do it. Refuse to play if he is behind the plate. MLB will just pay him to stay home the first time a game is cancelled due to him behind the plate.
I created AngelHernandezReports, a parody news sub that imagines our favorite umpire as a new reporter covering sensational stories. If it moves you, check it out.
The best way to fix this is just to shit can angel and not introduce strike/ball automation. VAR has been a disaster for the premier league and would hate to see the same thing with MLB
If we aren’t going to get robo umps, what I propose is an incentive structure for accuracy. Basically for consistency and accuracy, umpires are eligible for bonuses if they can call games accurately.
I know the initial reaction is that you don’t want these guys getting any extra money, but if they’re blowing calls, they won’t be getting squat. But then maybe Angel Hernandez will think twice about that strike call when there’s money on the line.
Just go to robo-umps on pitch calls. We don’t need all this footsie bullshit about challenges. Just get the call right the first time. It’s 2024, we have the technology, lets stop with all the bullshit.
Does the K zone we see on tv (and that is used on the “umpire score cards” vary with the size and stance of the batter? Because it’s supposed to (but I don’t think it does in practice)