[Bill Simmons] The Chicago Bulls are in the 3rd biggest market in America. They’ve only paid the luxury tax once. It’s actually hilarious how cheap they are. They just try to go 42-40 every year and win a play-in game and call it a year. The other big market owners must loving having them.
April 20, 2024
Properly getting roasted by National guys
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The biggest issue is no national media has cared about the Bulls in a decade. And why would they? Outside half a season in 2021-22, we’ve been bad to mid for 9 seasons in a row. 7 of the last 9 seasons we have been hoping the lottery balls go in our favor, to the tune of 4 times staying put, twice moving down, and moving up once…all the way to 4 in a weak ass class (hell watch us move up this year…in another weak ass class)
Like if you consider that we paid $60 mil to guys that played 25 games this year, it’s not bad. When you consider everything else, though, we need to light the United Center in fire and collect the insurance money. (I don’t understand how insurance works.)
Edit: I know we’re all in an emotional state but I want to be clear the line saying things aren’t that bad are the set up to the punchline of wanting to burn things down. (The insurance parenthetical is the tag.)
boutta light myself on fire in front of the UC
Jerry sucks but for the one millionth time, paying luxury tax only makes sense if you’re a legit contender keeping a championship core together.
The NBA still has a salary cap.
You can’t just “pay luxury tax” and go over the cap to sign star free agents. We ended up with Jevon Carter and Torrey Craig because we were already capped out. You also can’t pay luxury tax to go over the cap to make lopsided trades like Drummond for Giannis.
You have to draft well and have the core in place first. The last time the Bulls paid luxury tax, it’s because DRose just won MVP. And then he had back to back knee injuries and Jerry (I’ll admit) correctly noped out.
Paying luxury tax to keep Lonzo, Zach, Vuc, DeMar and extend Pat and be the 9 seed again or worse next year is poor cap management. End rant
The Reinsdorfs are parasites to Chicago sports. I’m a Sox fan and hope they set the record in modern baseball for most losses in a year. Jerry has earned and deserves that honor
Jerry is the worst owner in sports history
Cant wait to finish 3 games above or below .500 again next year and lose Miami.
It’s no secret someone from well high up in the front office spoke to a journalist and said it word for word they don’t care what the fans think as long as they are turning in revenue. Horrible management for a franchise in sports
Reinsdorf doesnt give a fuck about winning at this point. As long as he makes money he is happy. Worst owner in all of sports at this point….
The Reinsdorf special….
I’m getting a second team. I will say y’all when this shit changes
we really endured the Boylen years only for the new FO to completely shatter our newfound hopes by speedrunning the end of the rebuild and give us one playoff win and 3 below .500 seasons in 4 years
I get Jerry sucks but I wanna see if paying over the Tex actually means u have a good team. To me, I feel like to be a good u need to make the right picks and don’t get stuck on bad contracts. Spending money to just spend money is stupid
White Sox owner also sucks at owning other shit news at 10
I hate when people bring up the luxury tax thing. The biggest issue is them building a good team that has longevity, not spending money for it. They are ranked Top 10 in payroll. They are notna luxury tax bill from being good and anybody that thinks differently doesn’t understand how important roster construction is
Yeah yeah, just national media piling on at this point. Look, I get the frustrations with the team, but which group in all those years actually warrants going into luxury tax to keep together? Bulls have had just streaks of awful teams after Jordan years and the relatively brief DRose years, and this is just symptomatic of that.
The irony here is they probably should have been even further under the cap and luxury, as one of their biggest mistakes was giving Zach Lavine his deal. Even without Coby hindsight, I was just never sold that Zach is the guy a team could be built around. *That’s* the biggest mistake AKME made imo, the other moves may not have panned out as well as they should have, but without the Zach deal, that was all much easier to address and move on from.
Please just call out who it is. Stop labeling it as the “Chicago Bulls.” Put pressure on ownership and just say it’s penny pinching Reinsdorf. The national media needs to obliterate him like they’ve done other bad owners. Maybe he just spends all is money on keeping negativity away from his name rather than his own teams
i wished the muscle in me that cared about the bulls still worked. its just so clear that ownership is our competitive disadvantage
Stop supporting him. It’s actually that simple. Nothing changes until he sees the bottom line change.
Record attendance every time 😂
The Play-In Tournament was the worst thing to happen for a team like the Chicago Bulls. What a joke. Aside from MJ and getting lucky with DRose, the Bulls have always been a bad organization.
they made a big effort a few years ago, acquiring derozan, vucevic, and ball, to go with ravine, and for awhile they were in first place with the best record in the league; then the injuries started; and havent let up since; lavine, ball, Caruso, Williams, and now bitim; they made the effort; they rolled the dice; it didnt work; sometimes it doesnt; at least they tried; now they will make some decisions this summer and move on; theyre not going to tear it all down; its easy to spend somebody else’s money; its easy to hit people when they are down; or, you could look at the positives, like the development of coby and ayo, and enjoy the games; meanwhile the sky just drafted two excellent players; their season is about to start; enjoy their games too;
Our benchmark of success as fans is widely different than the Reinsdorfs. They make $, that’s success. White Sox fans have it the worst
Would not have been posted if W. Be less reactive, even if statement is true
Literally said it early and everyone agreed. We see it clear as day as the fans.. they are content with being DECENT. As long as we’re not 1-81 there will never be a change
Fuck Jerry Reinsdorf.
If the Blazers had drafted MJ, this might very well have been the worst professional sports organization in the history of sports.
The problem with Chicago is that we’re not as large of a market as, and we’re not a media market with global reach like, Los Angeles and New York. We’re basically a larger, post-industrial town like Detroit. We’re the Manchester of the US. That’s the truth. The best, in-his-prime, NBA star (fringe All-Star) that we’ve ever attracted was Carlos Boozer and that was with 1) a young team that was already built and needed a player at that exact position (PF) and that exact skill set and 2) we weren’t really competing with anyone to sign him. If you’re an NBA superstar, it’d make more financial sense to go to one of the three teams in Texas or Florida or other states with no state income tax.
The other problem is that Rose got injured, then there were the awkward Jimmy Butler emergence years where we obviously weren’t contenders but we weren’t bad enough to tank and get good draft picks to surround Butler with talent. Then the fan base freaked out and got GarPax fired when they were doing a pretty good job at tanking and acquiring talent (and they wouldn’t have built around Zach Lavine who they let sign with the Kings and then matched so he wouldn’t leave for nothing) and AKME were brought in and clearly told to get this team to the playoffs as soon as possible so they traded for/acquired every misfit, cast-off who became available for good reason (Lonzo, Demar, Vuc) and lo and behold, we’re in literally the worst situation in the NBA where we’re handicapped for the foreseeable future with contracts that are not moveable (Lavine, Vuc, Lonzo), we’re over the cap and the young prospects aren’t really that promising/developing (Coby, Ayo, Williams).
We are thoroughly screwed and, no matter what happens and what GM you bring in, it is going to take a decade+ to get us back to the position we were in during the Boylen years with a young roster with 6+ (Lavine, Markannen, Coby, Wendell Carter Jr., Daniel Gafford + that year’s draft pick) prospects, all that cap flexibility and all those assets we could trade.
It doesn’t really matter whether Reinsdorf is/isn’t cheap. There isn’t an owner in the NBA who would want to pay the luxury tax for this team.
I love you guys, but you need to shape up if we want to be LA/NY. We need to cut taxes, be more fiscally responsible, educate the youth in STEM and attract big business to create better jobs and attract more people to our city if we want to grow to a population that rivals those metropolii.
#1 in attendance every year, except the covid years, so the owners don’t care and being cheap lol
It’s crazy that the mega rich fight to get sports franchises, then don’t fucking care to compete. If ego drives you to buy a team, why doesn’t it also drive you to try and win?
Judging by the goofball fanbase posting in here, Reinsdorf will keep making money off the fans who think we will get better *just because*.
Financial champs
The fans need to protest. Sell the team chants at Sox and bulls games. Stop buying tickets and merch. This was the best franchise for a decade and they’ve ruined it.
We have rolled out a shit team for 10 years now. Hopefully the general public gets sick of this shit soon because they’re the ones going to these games.
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The biggest issue is no national media has cared about the Bulls in a decade. And why would they? Outside half a season in 2021-22, we’ve been bad to mid for 9 seasons in a row. 7 of the last 9 seasons we have been hoping the lottery balls go in our favor, to the tune of 4 times staying put, twice moving down, and moving up once…all the way to 4 in a weak ass class (hell watch us move up this year…in another weak ass class)
Like if you consider that we paid $60 mil to guys that played 25 games this year, it’s not bad. When you consider everything else, though, we need to light the United Center in fire and collect the insurance money. (I don’t understand how insurance works.)
Edit: I know we’re all in an emotional state but I want to be clear the line saying things aren’t that bad are the set up to the punchline of wanting to burn things down. (The insurance parenthetical is the tag.)
boutta light myself on fire in front of the UC
Jerry sucks but for the one millionth time, paying luxury tax only makes sense if you’re a legit contender keeping a championship core together.
The NBA still has a salary cap.
You can’t just “pay luxury tax” and go over the cap to sign star free agents. We ended up with Jevon Carter and Torrey Craig because we were already capped out. You also can’t pay luxury tax to go over the cap to make lopsided trades like Drummond for Giannis.
You have to draft well and have the core in place first. The last time the Bulls paid luxury tax, it’s because DRose just won MVP. And then he had back to back knee injuries and Jerry (I’ll admit) correctly noped out.
Paying luxury tax to keep Lonzo, Zach, Vuc, DeMar and extend Pat and be the 9 seed again or worse next year is poor cap management. End rant
The Reinsdorfs are parasites to Chicago sports. I’m a Sox fan and hope they set the record in modern baseball for most losses in a year. Jerry has earned and deserves that honor
Jerry is the worst owner in sports history
Cant wait to finish 3 games above or below .500 again next year and lose Miami.
It’s no secret someone from well high up in the front office spoke to a journalist and said it word for word they don’t care what the fans think as long as they are turning in revenue. Horrible management for a franchise in sports
Reinsdorf doesnt give a fuck about winning at this point. As long as he makes money he is happy. Worst owner in all of sports at this point….
The Reinsdorf special….
I’m getting a second team. I will say y’all when this shit changes
we really endured the Boylen years only for the new FO to completely shatter our newfound hopes by speedrunning the end of the rebuild and give us one playoff win and 3 below .500 seasons in 4 years
I get Jerry sucks but I wanna see if paying over the Tex actually means u have a good team. To me, I feel like to be a good u need to make the right picks and don’t get stuck on bad contracts. Spending money to just spend money is stupid
White Sox owner also sucks at owning other shit news at 10
I hate when people bring up the luxury tax thing. The biggest issue is them building a good team that has longevity, not spending money for it. They are ranked Top 10 in payroll. They are notna luxury tax bill from being good and anybody that thinks differently doesn’t understand how important roster construction is
Yeah yeah, just national media piling on at this point. Look, I get the frustrations with the team, but which group in all those years actually warrants going into luxury tax to keep together? Bulls have had just streaks of awful teams after Jordan years and the relatively brief DRose years, and this is just symptomatic of that.
The irony here is they probably should have been even further under the cap and luxury, as one of their biggest mistakes was giving Zach Lavine his deal. Even without Coby hindsight, I was just never sold that Zach is the guy a team could be built around. *That’s* the biggest mistake AKME made imo, the other moves may not have panned out as well as they should have, but without the Zach deal, that was all much easier to address and move on from.
Please just call out who it is. Stop labeling it as the “Chicago Bulls.” Put pressure on ownership and just say it’s penny pinching Reinsdorf. The national media needs to obliterate him like they’ve done other bad owners. Maybe he just spends all is money on keeping negativity away from his name rather than his own teams
i wished the muscle in me that cared about the bulls still worked. its just so clear that ownership is our competitive disadvantage
Stop supporting him. It’s actually that simple. Nothing changes until he sees the bottom line change.
Record attendance every time 😂
The Play-In Tournament was the worst thing to happen for a team like the Chicago Bulls. What a joke. Aside from MJ and getting lucky with DRose, the Bulls have always been a bad organization.
they made a big effort a few years ago, acquiring derozan, vucevic, and ball, to go with ravine, and for awhile they were in first place with the best record in the league; then the injuries started; and havent let up since; lavine, ball, Caruso, Williams, and now bitim; they made the effort; they rolled the dice; it didnt work; sometimes it doesnt; at least they tried; now they will make some decisions this summer and move on; theyre not going to tear it all down; its easy to spend somebody else’s money; its easy to hit people when they are down; or, you could look at the positives, like the development of coby and ayo, and enjoy the games; meanwhile the sky just drafted two excellent players; their season is about to start; enjoy their games too;
Our benchmark of success as fans is widely different than the Reinsdorfs. They make $, that’s success. White Sox fans have it the worst
Would not have been posted if W. Be less reactive, even if statement is true
Literally said it early and everyone agreed. We see it clear as day as the fans.. they are content with being DECENT. As long as we’re not 1-81 there will never be a change
Fuck Jerry Reinsdorf.
If the Blazers had drafted MJ, this might very well have been the worst professional sports organization in the history of sports.
The problem with Chicago is that we’re not as large of a market as, and we’re not a media market with global reach like, Los Angeles and New York. We’re basically a larger, post-industrial town like Detroit. We’re the Manchester of the US. That’s the truth. The best, in-his-prime, NBA star (fringe All-Star) that we’ve ever attracted was Carlos Boozer and that was with 1) a young team that was already built and needed a player at that exact position (PF) and that exact skill set and 2) we weren’t really competing with anyone to sign him. If you’re an NBA superstar, it’d make more financial sense to go to one of the three teams in Texas or Florida or other states with no state income tax.
The other problem is that Rose got injured, then there were the awkward Jimmy Butler emergence years where we obviously weren’t contenders but we weren’t bad enough to tank and get good draft picks to surround Butler with talent. Then the fan base freaked out and got GarPax fired when they were doing a pretty good job at tanking and acquiring talent (and they wouldn’t have built around Zach Lavine who they let sign with the Kings and then matched so he wouldn’t leave for nothing) and AKME were brought in and clearly told to get this team to the playoffs as soon as possible so they traded for/acquired every misfit, cast-off who became available for good reason (Lonzo, Demar, Vuc) and lo and behold, we’re in literally the worst situation in the NBA where we’re handicapped for the foreseeable future with contracts that are not moveable (Lavine, Vuc, Lonzo), we’re over the cap and the young prospects aren’t really that promising/developing (Coby, Ayo, Williams).
We are thoroughly screwed and, no matter what happens and what GM you bring in, it is going to take a decade+ to get us back to the position we were in during the Boylen years with a young roster with 6+ (Lavine, Markannen, Coby, Wendell Carter Jr., Daniel Gafford + that year’s draft pick) prospects, all that cap flexibility and all those assets we could trade.
It doesn’t really matter whether Reinsdorf is/isn’t cheap. There isn’t an owner in the NBA who would want to pay the luxury tax for this team.
I love you guys, but you need to shape up if we want to be LA/NY. We need to cut taxes, be more fiscally responsible, educate the youth in STEM and attract big business to create better jobs and attract more people to our city if we want to grow to a population that rivals those metropolii.
#1 in attendance every year, except the covid years, so the owners don’t care and being cheap lol
It’s crazy that the mega rich fight to get sports franchises, then don’t fucking care to compete. If ego drives you to buy a team, why doesn’t it also drive you to try and win?
Judging by the goofball fanbase posting in here, Reinsdorf will keep making money off the fans who think we will get better *just because*.
Financial champs
The fans need to protest. Sell the team chants at Sox and bulls games. Stop buying tickets and merch. This was the best franchise for a decade and they’ve ruined it.
We have rolled out a shit team for 10 years now. Hopefully the general public gets sick of this shit soon because they’re the ones going to these games.