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[Walder] It’s cool if you’re fine with the Toronto Raptors trading Pascal Siakam, but I think we can all agree that the franchise didn’t maximize his return package for someone that talented. That’s in large part due to the front office waiting for as long as it did to pull the trigger.

  • April 24, 2024


[Walder] It’s cool if you’re fine with the Toronto Raptors trading Pascal Siakam, but I think we can all agree that the franchise didn’t maximize his return package for someone that talented. That’s in large part due to the front office waiting for as long as it did to pull the trigger.

31 comments

  1. There’s an theory to made that they would’ve been better off trade value wise if they extended him last offseason and then traded him later. (~45 per season)

  2. The waited to long and he killed alot of his value by telling teams he wouldn’t re-sign with them in the summer, which tbf is obviously his right.

    His horrible start to the season didn’t help either.

  3. I understand that most of us like to talk about fantasy trades and “what ifs”, but the idea that there were always better trades is generally nonsense.

  5. I was really hoping Ochai would be a more exciting prospect. I know there’s still time and we have to be patient, but seeing him consistently get less points that FGA’s is discouraging. Defense is solid but otherwise he’s been a letdown tbh.

  8. Dude is saying the obvious. It’s even funnier because he was one of the Raps media bemoaning that we shouldn’t trade Siakam but now all of a sudden, he’s saying they should have traded him earlier lol.

  9. Gosh. What a hot take this is.
    So productive.
    Move on and stop with the whinging after every good ex raptor performance.

  10. Keeping in mind he is not under contract for next year.. that may impact how people feel about this from both perspectives.

  11. That’s what happens when you don’t commit to a path and wait for the team to decide your fate

  12. Boils my fucking blood seeing this shit posted 2 years too late. Anybody that called this out before was deemed “a fake fan” by Masai zealots.

    Maybe Raptors fans will start to realize our front office has been spinning their wheels for years now and there’s zero direction.

  13. I personally think it was more about the man, the talent he has and wanting/hoping it to work out here vs being inept and not seeing his value slowly deteriorating.

    By the time they realized it wasn’t going to work it was a tad too late to maximize the return.

  14. Based on what?

    We know that the Raptors tried to trade him last year. We know that they didn’t get many takers. We know that is because Pascal made it clear that if he was traded he would not re-sign and would instead become a free agent.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/constant-siakam-trade-rumours-beg-question-how-did-raptors-get-here/

    “A report by one NBA insider in the minutes prior to the 2023 draft that indicated Siakam’s primary focus was to re-sign with Toronto and, as a pending free agent, would reject any attempts to sign him to an extension if the Raptors did trade him in the swirl around the draft and free agency, didn’t land well internally. The Raptors interpreted the leak as an effort to scuttle Siakam’s trade value and assert control in the contract negotiations.”

    And let’s be clear…at that time, his interest in signing with the Raptors was financial, as they were the only team that could have potentially offered him a super max deal if he qualified.

    Simply put, there is no evidence that a better deal was available earlier, and the reason was because Pascal was actively making it harder for the team to trade him.

  15. We didn’t even get Nembhard or Nesmith, we got a Bruce Brown who doesn’t even want to be here. What the actual fuck 😭

  17. They tried to trade him last year and couldnt get anyone.

    The reality is is that sometimes you fail. thats ok, the world isnt going to end

  20. He’s a home grown talent that was the second best player on a championship team. 

    What are you going to do, not try to win with him? Cut your losses before exhausting all option as a member on this team?  They tried and it didn’t work. 

    They got an amazing deal for OG and not a good one with Siakam. It is what it is. 

    The Kings should have really pushed even more for him and created a competitive market. I think there was a deal for him but Siakam didn’t want to sign with them? 

    Too bad. He was a perfect compliment to Fox, better than his fit with Haliburton. 

  21. And while waiting, they traded away our damn pick for a mid player despite not even being in playoff contention at the time of the trade. I don’t think I will get over the missteps by the FO. Time to part ways.

  22. They let so much talent walk out the door for nothing. Some of those players were past their prime players etc.

    But the real inexcusable set of moves / non-moves was last season: not understanding the direction the team was going and not trading OG and Pascal when they were getting insane offers, and to make matters worse, double down by trading their first round pick for Poetl.

    Draft is a crapshoot – but the Raps have been poor in this department for quite some time.

    Probably ok/ maybe not – but it did seem like a lot of players had soured on Nick Nurse – but were they also the players mentioned above who should have been traded ?

  23. I can’t wait until Keith Pelley just rips this mickey mouse operation of a front office into pieces. Personally Bobby Webster should have been fired after the last game

    Too much personal sentiment towards the players to the point you got people shedding legit tears because they had to make necessary decisions

  25. everyone and their mother knew masai wanted to trade him and that he wouldn’t commit verbally to a re-sign to any team that traded him.

    so yes, we didn’t get max value. but it’s because we waited too long and pascal kinda fucked us.

  26. Yeah, this has been my argument the whole time. The return on Pascal was underwhelming for sure but the front office fucked this team pretty hard with their stupidity during the 2022-2023. They needed to blow the team up then and aside from OG, they would have gotten much better returns. Not trading those guys and then trading for Jak has set this franchise back considerably. There was some extremely poor team evaluation going on for them to look at that squad and think they need to go all in on it.

  27. Every person on this sub: says this all year.

    Some nerd with a media pass says it, after pascal is killing it in the playoffs: breaking news.

  29. Agreed it didn’t help that he tanked his value in negations by saying he won’t resign with any team

  31. waaaah waaaah. 90% of Toronto sports media wanna is cry & bait engagements with negativity, especially in the offseason.

    Never mind analysis and WHY Pascal is thriving in a new environment.

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