Platte: Packers’ draft class is only the 17th ranked by RAS.
April 28, 2024
Platte: Packers’ draft class is only the 17th ranked by RAS.
13 comments
Wow that’s crazy
The packers I don’t think have changed their process really at all. A few things to note here, apparently they clocked Hopper at a 4.5 40, which would give him a speed Ras at over 9.5 and would boost him above 8.0 overall. Cooper was one of the highest RAS LBs in the class. Bullard’s RAS is really good but brought down by him being shorter and lighter. We have seen repeatedly that we are willing to go with lower RAS in the later rounds (5-7). Glover was the surprise, as Grable was still on the board, but I can see him working out potentially on the interior. King is a huge steal where we got him. So, before people say RAS doesn’t matter, this is not true. This was a super Packers draft. Pretty much all of these guys hit the more specific thresholds we look for too in terms of Senior Bowl performance, and the specific height/weight, broad jump, and agility thresholds.
Brought down by the last few picks. King ran a 4.6 at corner
Turns out everyone wants great athletes.
Quantity is a quality all its own. You won’t hit every single draft pick. The more picks, the more you’ll likely have a good hit.
King doesnt look like a pro tbh
The more I look at Hopper, the more I question that pick. Obviously they see something many don’t, but still a surprise to me
RAS was innovative and is an easy discussion point for fans but I do wish they would find a way to tweak it some. For example the assumption that taller is automatically better. Why is MarShawn Lloyd dinged for being short when that can be an advantage for a RB? I like RAS. I use RAS but it’s also important to understand it’s limitations. Also it’s becoming more common for prospects to skip a testing drill that they don’t think they’ll perform well in and that lack of data doesn’t factor in at all. I’m kind of ranting here and not trying to ruin a good thing but I do think it could improve.
I wonder what picks 1-4 score at
Largely brought down by 6th and 7th round picks, as well as a bit by Hopper in the late 3rd.
Straight up average is a dumb way to grade a draft class that has so many late round picks. I’d prefer something that gave more weight to early picks who are most likely to make the team and contribute, and compared RAS of picks to the average RAS of picks in that part of the draft.
I think Gute has shifted somewhat on their RAS stuff. The last year or two we have seen them go after players that are more “football player than athlete” like fans have demanded for years. Particularly in FA but also in the draft. I still think they are a heavy RAS team, basically every team is because every team wants high end athletes at every positions, but where some teams would be more willing to allow exceptions to their thresholds if the player was polished enough or whatever GB under TT and under early Gute treated it like sinning against God. Gute has seemed to be more open to allowing exceptions if the prospects have 1-2 slightly under threshold scores but have 1-2 ELITE scores or have remarkable tape.
Like Karl Brooks, Kalen King, Travis Glover, enagbare, McKinney, and Josh Jacobs are all players in the last 2 years that Gute has added to the team that frankly would have been viewed as pretty safe No’s in the past based on either their cumulative testing or their testing on 1-2 measurements that are normally key for GB. I don’t really remember a time when TT went outside thresholds for picks except for like Randal Cobb or some other kind of “Tweener” picks but even in FA he got super athletes. Gute has seemed to be more willing to get more “football players” or “culture guys”. Gute has seemingly also adjusted/altered athletic thresholds for some odd positions like LB/SAF/TE where instincts and techniques are almost as important as athletic traits since they are positions where we have seen time and time again that no amount of perfect traits can help overcome piss poor instincts and technique like it sometimes can with WR/OL/DL.
Mostly due to 2 late round picks though. We clearly still value it very highly early on.
13 comments
Wow that’s crazy
The packers I don’t think have changed their process really at all. A few things to note here, apparently they clocked Hopper at a 4.5 40, which would give him a speed Ras at over 9.5 and would boost him above 8.0 overall. Cooper was one of the highest RAS LBs in the class. Bullard’s RAS is really good but brought down by him being shorter and lighter. We have seen repeatedly that we are willing to go with lower RAS in the later rounds (5-7). Glover was the surprise, as Grable was still on the board, but I can see him working out potentially on the interior. King is a huge steal where we got him. So, before people say RAS doesn’t matter, this is not true. This was a super Packers draft. Pretty much all of these guys hit the more specific thresholds we look for too in terms of Senior Bowl performance, and the specific height/weight, broad jump, and agility thresholds.
Brought down by the last few picks. King ran a 4.6 at corner
Turns out everyone wants great athletes.
Quantity is a quality all its own. You won’t hit every single draft pick. The more picks, the more you’ll likely have a good hit.
King doesnt look like a pro tbh
The more I look at Hopper, the more I question that pick. Obviously they see something many don’t, but still a surprise to me
RAS was innovative and is an easy discussion point for fans but I do wish they would find a way to tweak it some. For example the assumption that taller is automatically better. Why is MarShawn Lloyd dinged for being short when that can be an advantage for a RB? I like RAS. I use RAS but it’s also important to understand it’s limitations. Also it’s becoming more common for prospects to skip a testing drill that they don’t think they’ll perform well in and that lack of data doesn’t factor in at all. I’m kind of ranting here and not trying to ruin a good thing but I do think it could improve.
I wonder what picks 1-4 score at
Largely brought down by 6th and 7th round picks, as well as a bit by Hopper in the late 3rd.
Straight up average is a dumb way to grade a draft class that has so many late round picks. I’d prefer something that gave more weight to early picks who are most likely to make the team and contribute, and compared RAS of picks to the average RAS of picks in that part of the draft.
I think Gute has shifted somewhat on their RAS stuff. The last year or two we have seen them go after players that are more “football player than athlete” like fans have demanded for years. Particularly in FA but also in the draft. I still think they are a heavy RAS team, basically every team is because every team wants high end athletes at every positions, but where some teams would be more willing to allow exceptions to their thresholds if the player was polished enough or whatever GB under TT and under early Gute treated it like sinning against God. Gute has seemed to be more open to allowing exceptions if the prospects have 1-2 slightly under threshold scores but have 1-2 ELITE scores or have remarkable tape.
Like Karl Brooks, Kalen King, Travis Glover, enagbare, McKinney, and Josh Jacobs are all players in the last 2 years that Gute has added to the team that frankly would have been viewed as pretty safe No’s in the past based on either their cumulative testing or their testing on 1-2 measurements that are normally key for GB. I don’t really remember a time when TT went outside thresholds for picks except for like Randal Cobb or some other kind of “Tweener” picks but even in FA he got super athletes. Gute has seemed to be more willing to get more “football players” or “culture guys”. Gute has seemingly also adjusted/altered athletic thresholds for some odd positions like LB/SAF/TE where instincts and techniques are almost as important as athletic traits since they are positions where we have seen time and time again that no amount of perfect traits can help overcome piss poor instincts and technique like it sometimes can with WR/OL/DL.
Mostly due to 2 late round picks though. We clearly still value it very highly early on.
Welp we failed see you boys again in 2025