Are Cincinnati Bengals with HEALTHY Joe Burrow good enough to win Super Bowl LIX?

Are Cincinnati Bengals with HEALTHY Joe Burrow good enough to win Super Bowl LIX?

what’s up everybody Welcome to three and out YouTube page I’m John middleof and we are talking football all day every day make sure you subscribe like the video share with your friends let’s roll baby here let’s bang out some middlecoff mailbags John middlecoff Instagram DMS wide freaking open fire in them like Jacob did get your question answered on the show appreciate the kind words my question is about the Bengals beside burough stay healthy what needs to happen for the Bengals to have a deep playoff run like 21 and 22 looking forward to hearing your opinions also how do you think the AFC North is going to end up one through four who day all day every day especially on Sunday who they think gonna beat them Bengals uh one thing that team had going back to the team that beat the Chiefs that was in the Super Bowl and had a lead in the Super Bowl to the team that went toe-to-toe with the Chiefs and beat the crap out of the bills there was a toughness to your guys Squad and LU anarumo your defensive coordinator has obviously been really really good uh the culture there led by burrow and obviously the coach Zack Taylor like you guys got just highlevel tough guys but you know the Run game and being I gota I don’t even have your dep chart up obviously is Joe mixon’s on the uh on the Texans now if memory serves me correct Joe Mixon on the Texans that sound right it’s hard to keep up with all the little auxiliary moves though I mean Joe Mixon Once Upon a Time was a high-end player uh I I I think there’s a physicality to the Run game that translates in the AFC in the playoffs because you can light up the scoreboard 3540 points when Burrow’s healthy with Chase and Higgins but to me running the ball and playing defense now you play in arguably the most physical division so like doing think about doing one through four in that division right now well you had three playoff teams and the Browns won 11 the Ravens they went 14 pretty sure they won 14 they were the one seed the Steelers won nine and were right there and nine or 10 getting my numbers mixed up pretty sure were 9 and8 and obviously you guys hit the skids a little bit with the burrow injuries but Jake Browning Sacramento native who I think I forgot his name like within the last month I apologize to Jake because I was actually watching some of Brian Callahan’s interview with uh Compton and lean and he was like I I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a guy improve so much he’s like we just signed him as a practice squad guy three and a half years later he was playing pretty high level football and I agree because I I root for Pack 12 schools when they’re good so when Jake was at Washington and Chris Peterson the Boise State coach I was rooting for that team I just didn’t think he was that good but the guy that we saw last year was like a legitimate backup quarterback so one thing the Bengals even when everyone and Carson Palmer went through it like calling him cheap and obviously Mike Brown’s not slinging money around like some of these billionaire owners but I think they’ve drafted pretty well over the last 20 years they have had a lot of good players top to bottom and some of those Marvin Lewis teams like if you put Joe burrow on some of those Andy Dalton teams you might have wanton a couple Super Bowls I just remember and I’ve told this story before but being on the sideline at an Eagles game and then when I was doing stuff with the Raiders the size of your defensive line was huge you guys have always had massive defensive lineman your Corners were sweet I think PAC was on a couple of those teams berett was your linebackers have always been physical you’ve always had enormous offensive linemen going back to Whitworth Andre Smith um you’ve had good guards and centers your quarterback position Burrows the best of the Carson Palmer Andy Dalton group but receivers have always been sweet Julio or not Julio AJ Green who was a monster there there was like some argument going on on the internet that AJ Green wasn’t that good or or was overrated or underachieved like hey guys green was pretty dominant uh ier you guys have had really really good teams so I I’d have to look at your roster in depth I mean the Ravens they’re going to be depending on some young developmental players after losing some guys in free agency they got a new coordinator you know where I stand on deshun Watson I don’t think he’s very good anymore maybe it’s the injuries maybe it’s the massas I don’t know but he has not looked right and the Steelers while they have a pretty solid team they they’ve improved their offensive line uh their quarterback position is more than a question mark so I I think to me the goal if you’re a fan a realistic goal goes if Joe Bro stays healthy which is concerning because that injury and we’ve talked about the percentages and someone dm’ me like I I’m a medical professional it’s legit it’s just something to keep an eye on as long if if he’s healthy the whole time no big deal but inflam the moment you hear inflammation he’s taking a day off it scares you it’s like DeShawn Watson taking a day off well he just had major shoulder surgery like it just keeps you nervous um if burrow plays 17 games I I think you guys have a freaking very very good chance to win the division which is huge in the AFC because hosting the game whether you’re the bills whether you’re the Chiefs or whether you’re the Bengals or going on the road I mean all these stadiums think about let’s just pick penish teams for the seven spots Chiefs obious obiously a playoff team Bill’s obviously a playoff team those Road venues are I mean the only team I guess you guys have beaten Buffalo at Buffalo but or was that game in Cincinnati I forget because that was the Demar Hamlin game that got cancelled I think was it in Buffalo was it in Cincinnati I remember that was a skip bis tweet remember it’s like I know a guy almost died but what about the playoff implications I know he’s on the way to the hospital hopefully they can resuscitate him hopefully he lives till tomorrow but how are we going to figure out home field advantage that was an all-timer uh listen guys I’m not trying to jump the shark here just just thinking out loud uh that game was crazy I I vivly remember sitting at the apartment I used to rent and me and Maria just like Shell Shocked making dinner was a quiet night watching buck and Aman I have to look that up I don’t who cares uh wanted to get your take on which rookie first round quarterback has the Best Supporting Cast skill players day one going one through five because they don’t think Drake May and the Patriots have a fighting chance I would agree the Vikings Jefferson Addison Hawkinson Aaron Jones hackinson did tear his knee so I saw he had some quotes the other day about he’s coming back he feels good about the rehab I I don’t think we can just chalk him up lock week one Bears Moore Allen adun DeAndre Swift uh commanders McLaren doson Z Eckler I don’t know if I throw SS in there at this point but I hear you Falcons London Mooney Pitts bejon Broncos Sutton Reynolds trotman javante Williams some of these guys are coming off injuries uh I I think you also the skill positions you also got a factor in the offensive line because the only way to throw a guys is get some protection so the Bears offensive line much imp improved over the last 12 months commanders I’d be lying if I had a great grasp on their offensive line the Falcons pretty good offensive line uh the Broncos I mean they’re starting mcglinch at right tackle so they got they can be a little hit or miss good in the Run game uh pass game Glen is gonna be a problem uh I would say the Jefferson Addison combo and Aaron Jones that’s pretty hard to beat Keenan Allen DJ MO is pretty freaking good so I I think you’re probably right on I’d go Vikings Bears I think the Falcons It’s Kind pits any good like we know he’s really talented and he was a highly drafted player but this is a massive year like who is he is he just one of those guys really famous from the draft status was he just misused by the former coach I don’t know I I definitely a very interesting year obviously you know Terry McClaren Scary Terry is a baller so Austin Eckler Eckler is an incredible player for Young quarterback I mean it’s in it’s be like having in the passing game Christian mcaffrey because of his ability to catch the ball out the back field so to me Eckler is an underrated name on this list Aaron Jones when healthy is one of the best running backs in the league and he’s a good pass catching running back but Eckler Eckler’s a stud so I I think you got it right on all these guys for the most part like you said get some pretty legit talented guys they get to transition right into pretty lucky rookies do you ever see Pete Carroll coaching another team and if so which one I don’t uh we saw how difficult it was for bellich to get a job and belich is considered the best coach of his generation for sure and arguably the best coach ever right up there you know Lombardi wal you know Andy’s now throwing his hat in the ring but and you could argue for in the peak of his powers when they were winning Super Bowls all the time people talked about him like the greatest coach any sport of all time and he got one interview last year let’s be real about this is there’s agism right I mean they’re just if both those guys were 65 years old 100% it’d be a lock but to me 72 those guys are 72 73 years old and you know Pete the teams were pretty competitive I mean they were right in the playoff mix last year till the end and they made the playoffs the year before so on wins and loss wise he’s been much more successful in the last two years than bill but I do think Bill is much more likely to get a job this cycle I would never say never but is someone going to hire Pete Carroll he’s not cheap either so it’s like I’m hiring a 73-year-old who is a defensive guy and his defens is stink say what you want about Bill it’s like hey you get Bill a solid quarterback you know his defenses are going to be sweet he’s a defensive guy he can handle the defense and he can handle the operation of the team like you know Pete can handle the operation of the team he’s great with players but he’s a defensive guy and his defenses suck where you go Bill listen we just got to be careful about him picking the players if he can inherit a quarterback we know can make our defense good because he’s in he’s the greatest defensive coach we’ve ever seen Pete in theory is one of the greatest defensive coaches we’ve ever seen but we’ve seen him in recent years like his defense sucks I mean terrible so I think it’s better for Bill it’s like yeah his quarterback sucks well yeah no he lost Tom Brady his own fault and he chose M Jones a backup like okay Pete actually figured out the quarterback position what’s up with his defense isn’t he you know one of the defensive masterminds in the history of football so if I was if I were to bet on it I wouldn’t put my life savings on it but I would say p car’s never a head coach in the NFL again I wouldn’t put that at 100% I would feel pretty good around 75 80% depends on the the coach Market next year let’s just look ahead the coach Market obviously bel’s out there you know what if the Steelers were to win eight games could Tomlin be out there Mike Vel is out there I think all those guys would get hired over Pete uh Ben Johnson you think is eventually will be like yeah you know what I’ll take a I’ll take $4 million it’s cool playing with Jared gof and making three or four but how about we Forex that that that is inevitable one of the Shanahan McVey guys is gonna have a big year uh I I would keep all eyes on Bobby slowick the offensive coordinator for the Texans who’s a Shanny guy you know if they have another big year he’s 100% going to get a bunch of interviews you know there’s always a kubc oconnell type out there not talking Gary I’m talking his kids one’s with Kyle the other just went to New Orleans I mean if New Orleans had a really good year offensively 10-1 wins so it’s just you kind of get past and I I think age is working against them obviously it works against Bill too but to me Bill’s a better candidate because longer resume we are this close to crowning an NBA champ and with action heating up on the court it’s even hotter at draftking Sportsbook an official sports betting partner of the NBA there only so many games left and draftking Sportsbook has you covered with same game parlays live betting odds boost and so much more don’t miss out or you’ll have to wait until the next NBA season to place your bets it’s super easy for first timers to get started try betting on something simple like picking a team to win go to DraftKings Sportsbook app select your squad and place your first bet it’s that simple new to DraftKings listen up new customers can get a no sweat bet up to 1,500 bucks just deposit at least five bucks and you’ll get a bonus bet back equal to your first bet if it doesn’t hit download the draftking Sportsbook app now and use the code John that’s code J hn for new customers to get a no sweat bet up to 1,500 bucks if your first bet does doesn’t hit only on draftking the crown is yours longtime listener first time DM what are your thoughts on what I believe will be eventually the eventual Tua extension I hate the Dolphins Bills fan but I do see the Dilemma the Dolphins are in Tu is good enough to beat you and he can consistently keep you in the playoff hunt and possibly win the division I don’t think you can say possibly right now because so far he has not so I I would say as of this time right now he can’t win the division because the other guy in the division is Josh Allen you’re guy however there is a clear drop off late in the season totally agree so he’s can’t win the division because of Josh Allen and he doesn’t play well in the cold well he be like well we play in Miami true but let’s let’s pull up their old schedule right now see who they play in November and December old Miami Dolphins let’s go to espn.com let’s go to NFL and let’s go to the old Miami Dolphins okay so in November they play the bills 113 so weather probably not too crazy by then but you never know that’s that’s that’s a game to keep an eye on but you know decent chances nothing crazy they play at the Rams 11-11 no weather Raiders at home Patriots at home okay good 1128 which looks like Sunday Night Football at a little place called lamb boo field that’s got weather potential Big Time Jets at home at the Texans in a dome Niners at home final two games at the Browns awful weather game potential at the Jets same thing so he’s got basically to end the season three of his last six games Lambo Cleveland New York said all along let’s just prove it if he finally does it wins the Division shuts me up plays well in the cold we can’t say anything how could you pay him $50 million without seeing another year are you just cool with paying $50 million to be a wild card every year and make the playoffs like John five years ago four years ago they paid Dak $4 million to do that yeah he wins the Division though so he’s getting me division titles and home playoff games if Tua was doing what Dak was doing I would I would acknowledge like I get it like I don’t get it now I I can’t say I get it because I do not get it if they’re paying him shout out from Wyoming actually went there when I was scouting and really kind of enjoyed the town had an incredible steak dinner I remember I asked one of the dudes on the football staff what’s your best steakhouse in laramy Wyoming where the university is where Josh Allen played he wasn’t there then and they to told me it was pretty empty because it was like a Monday night or maybe a Sunday night during the fall and I just remember eating an incredible meal at the bar on Tuesday’s pod you talked about wide receiver one contracts starting to reach insane guaranteed numbers is there a world where we start to see more and more topend wide receivers hit free agency due to their asking price and to steal from Moneyball as a response we’ll see more teams trying to recreate wide receiver one production in the cheap aggregate or as the Scotty sheffler meme went we can’t duplicate tiger individually but we can take him down in the aggregate Rory divorce Scotty arrest I’m telling you that’s where I think back to the iuk situation auk wants all this money he catches 75 balls a year he’s awesome player but it’s like can’t we just recreate that in the aggregate then what does Kyle Shanahan do grafts a wide receiver in the first round I got Christian mcaffry I’d rather just give him a $5 million raise he’s catching me 70 80 balls so it gets I think when you have a Bonafide no doubt about it alltime great when you got Jamar Chase when you got Justin Jefferson you write what CD lamb looked like last year if a guy can play like that for like what Tyreek Hill is you ride that guy like a horse and you can pay him but look at Devonte Devonte is an elite player Devonte pound forp pound is one of the best pure football players in the league but the last couple years he’s been to a team with a bad quarterback and they can’t win it’s not his fault but he’s dependent on the quarterback playing well so he’s playing with Aiden oconnell when Carl was playing bad and it was shitty and so it’s like we’re paying all this guy money and this is where it gets tough I pay a guy a lot of money if I’m going to use the hell out of them and if I have the quarterback and even then the Chiefs are like yeah we’ll figure it out in the aggregate it was ugly and everyone’s like oh they’re screwed it’s like no they’re not I think it just depends I think we’re going to learn a lot with auk you know the Eagles got Devonte they extended him uh and Devonte is a really good player but he’s not a top five wide receiver in the league it just depends how you look at it and I think the hard part is it’s like when you have Devonte on your team you love him because he’s High character he’s a leader he works hard he sets a tone in practice but like let’s face it he doesn’t make that much sense on the Raiders he just doesn’t if you told me the the Chiefs had traded for Devonte Adams on the Packers or whatever and he was playing with Patrick Mahomes or the Chargers or whoever he would make a lot more sense on he just doesn’t make sense on that team so I I guess it’s a long-winded way of saying I don’t know I think these teams end up paying that guy I think it’s The Fringe guy that’s why I think they’re kind of going through with auk like Fringe one you know he’s probably he’s better than a two but he’s not a one cuz how many ones are there truly how many ones are there Jamar Chase won Justin Jefferson W Tyreek Hill won cidi lamb won Devonte Adams won I guess DK a one damn good AJ probably a one when he’s humming he is a one when he’s humming and he’s on the back end of the ones question for the mailbag what are some things often not considered with regard to contract extension negotiations I assume the relationship with the agent and his other clients has an impact no I mean I think that’s a bigger deal in some of these other sports in the NFL when you start talking with these contracts of good players you’re talking a lot of money so I think it gets contentious because ultimately it’s a business deal and if I’m a GM or I’m the front office my obligation is the best trying to sign you for the least amount of money cuz that’s the healthiest thing for my team and building the team and if you’re the agent you have one goal you don’t give one about the salary cap unless you’re Travis Kelce or Patrick Mahomes you do everything humanly possible to get the most money possible I remember hearing stories when I was in the NFL and Bill Po and Tom Condon used to have it out over pton Manning’s contracts and and Bill bill poan there’s like a famous in his office where Bill poon’s like Tom how am I supposed to build the team and Tom Conan’s essentially like I don’t care it’s not my problem that’s your job like their job if you’re representing a player you’re trying to get them the most money possible because that’s how you get paid right like ideally if you’re representing someone selling their house if it’s on the market for one if you knew you could sell it for two you wouldn’t give it to someone for one five like it’s not your problem who’s moving in whether they like the house or not like the team’s their problem your job is to get the player paid so I I think it’s a lot less who else is on the team even the relationship like I know Howie his relationship with agents is really good because he needs them it’s just he has to negotiate with them so it’s easier to be friends with them but that friendship only goes so far when you start talking money right I don’t care who we’ve all I guess we all but anyone listening who’s worked with friends worked with family in theory it sounds pretty easy but in business like when money comes up it gets very emotional it gets very contentious not everybody looks at money the same way and when aggressive people with money which most agents are I think most of these conversations are pretty similar when a player has leverage given he’s a good player when players you know like if you’re a free agent on the street and no one wants you and I’m trying to get you for a couple million bucks it’s a different story but like these big big deals there’s a lot of like no way I’m not we’re not signing that like I bet the iuk and John Lynch there’s a lot of going back and forth and there’s a difference of like let’s use Bosa last year in the Niners they knew the number was going to be huge Niners are just trying to get as low as possible but they knew what they this one is like no we kind of have a number guys we based on your history like we don’t 30 ain’t an option and I think there are certain level of players where you like kind of draw a line in this sand then there are guys like momes or Josh Allen like what’s the negotiation really to be had once you kind of get in the ballpark so I would imagine it gets pretty contentious you know I’ve talked to these guys before the contract negotiators during agency it can be late nights during training camp with hold out guys I mean you’re just on the phone going back and forth and it’s kind of the first person to Blink that’s what it is like who’s going to Blink first that’s what a lot of these holdouts are going to be like who’s gonna blink first Zack Martin he’s like I’m not gonna blink are you guys gonna blink then they gave him a raise and he everyone blinked and Zach One cam Hayward right now holding out are the Steelers gonna blink or they just like hey man you’re playing on I forget the exact number off the top of my head but let’s say he wants I’m just picking a number here I think this number is wrong but let’s say he makes1 million this year and he wants 18 it’s like am I going to get a $6 million raise and do they just like we’re not giving you a raise are they serious about that or will they end up giving them a $4 million raise instead of a$7 million raise and everyone’s happy you got a raise and everyone’s good and that’s kind of a lot of back and forth we’re talking a lot of money but the people in the league the agents and the contract negotiators and the GMS are numb to money right if I said people listening right now you’re negotiating over a $500,000 deal where if you if you’re in sales and you locked out that deal you would get $500,000 cash the next day into your account I would imagine for most people you would do everything humanly possible to get that done but if I told you you were doing a f that same deal for $500 you’d probably care less right so it’s no different than this like the big money deals there’s a lot more urgency than like the little random players the practice squad guys like they’re not going to waste that much energy on those and I think it’s crazy but once you’re in the business long enough you’re just so numb to these numbers like how roseman’s been started as a contract negotiator he has been doing these contracts for two decades two plus decades think how numb he is to signing 50 hundred million deals like you just it’s just you’re just used to seeing it most companies if you you sign a partnership worth seven figures I mean it’s a huge deal in the NFL you just you just get used to the new bigger number and it’s just all kind funny money because it’s all coming from the TV rights so yeah I think it’s a long-winded way of saying I think there are some ugly conversations I’ve heard a couple stories here and there about some pretty ugly conversations I mean there have been articles written before on the back and forth uh the owners get involved too that’s the other thing like whenever the owner gets involved and says get it done or we’re making this happen then it doesn’t even matter that’s what happened with deshun Watson deshun Watson told the Browns like I’m not coming then the owner got involved and guaranteed him the whole contract he said I’m in Daniel Jones like you really like can we give Joe Shane and Brian dble the Ben of the doubt like they like Daniel Jones but they wanted to give him 40 plus million dollars a year after a breakout 15 touchdown season but the owner’s like make sure this happens remember reading the article last year them going back and forth the combine them coming to New Jersey them spending all the time like God that’s a lot of work for Daniel Jones e

John Middlekauff opens up the 3 & Out mailbag, discussing whether the Cincinnati Bengals will make a deep NFL Playoff run with Joe Burrow and Ja’Marr Chase. Plus, John dives into which rookie QB has the best supporting cast. Will former Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll get another coaching job? Are the Miami Dolphins smart to give Tua Tagovailoa a contract extension?

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article288591029.html#storylink=cpy

0:00 // Intro
0:31 // How do Bengals make a deep playoff run?
6:58 // What rookie QB has best supporting cast?
9:38 // Will Pete Carroll get another coaching job?
14:33 // Thouhghts on eventual Tua extension
17:51 // Will we see more WR1 hit free agency because of price?
21:20 // What are not considered with contract extension negotiations?

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