Another day, another trade proposal for the Pittsburgh Penguins

Another day, another trade proposal for the Pittsburgh Penguins

the Penguins find themselves linked to yet another trade candidate out of the Western Conference and on this edition of the locked on Penguins podcast Hunter and I are going to figure out if the juice is worth the squeeze your locked on Penguins your daily podcast on the Pittsburgh Penguins part of the locked on podcast Network your team every day hello and welcome back to to another edition of the locked on Penguins podcast I’m one of your hosts Patrick damp you can follow me on Twitter at synonym for wet joined as always by the one and only Hunter hodies you can follow him on Twitter at Hunter hodies you can give our shows a count a follow at lore penguins and we thank you for making this your first listener watch of the day because we’re your team every day and don’t forget that we are free and available wherever you get your podcasts as well as YouTube and before we get started today’s episode is brought to you by FanDuel make every moment more right now new customers get $200 in bonus Bets with any winning $5 bet that’s $200 in bonus Bets with any winning $5 bet visit fanduel.com lockon to get started here we are yet another day where the Penguin’s name comes up in some sort of trade speculation or some sort of rumor about a player that maybe wants out of where they are a player that’s appending UFA going into next season and it’s another forward according to a report from the fourth period the Calgary Flames have been contacted by a bunch of teams about forward Andrew mangiapani the Penguins name is amongst those teams that have reportedly according to the fourth period reached out to the Calgary Flames and I’ll be honest I look at this one can’t say I’m too excited about this as far as trade candidates for the Penguins going into next season go did not have the best season in 23 24 now similarly as we’ve said about a few players this off season so far you do have to take it with a bit of a grain of salt because the Calgary Flames were not one of the better teams this year so you would expect some struggles from a player like this but that said 75 games played 14 goals 26 assists for 40 points he did have a solid season in 2122 played a full 82 games 35 goals 20 assist for 50 point 55 points excuse me all of that said though Hunter when you dig into this player kind of unimpressive and comes at quite a high cap hit despi it have having only one year left on that deal yeah so the 35 goal season that’s off F and dandy but you have to look a little bit deeper to see that he had a 18.9 shooting percentage for That season you round that up basically it’s 19% so since since then he shot 99.3% in 2022 2023 this past season shot 11.5% he’s also when you combine he shooting percentage for his career it’s 14.3% he’s probably not going to shoot 19% very often and I don’t think he’s gonna score 35 goals again in a season probably for the rest of his career I think at best you can get 20 25 goals out of him I mean the last couple of Seasons production wise 31 combined goals so he been in that range of you know 14 to 17 to 18 goals if he were to come to the Penguins I could see him obviously saying in that category and maybe getting upwards of 20 plus I think that would be an asset to the Penguins he would be a really good option for their middle six he’s still below 30 so you get a little bit younger there but as you said the contract that’s a little bit of a red flag to me 5.8 million for this season before he becomes a UFA for the 2025 2026 season he also has a modified no Clause so you don’t know if the penguins are on that the only way I see this kind of working is if the Flames retain a little bit of money I will say this though the Flames are a team right now with Craig Conroy in charge I would keep calling him I don’t think he’s done a good job as their general manager some of the moves that he’s made have been a bit lackluster I think he’s lost more moves than he’s won so if you can keep calling him maybe seeing if he can retain some of that money I would be down for that say he retains maybe a couple of million that salary comes down to 3.8 million for this year that would make sense but am I interested in taking that entire 5.8 million salary for this year no I’m not no it’s it’s way too high of a cost for what you’re getting yes the Penguins do need depth scoring and a guy who has scored 17 18 35 17 14 goals in a season respectively that’s good depth scoring but not for nearly six million that’s if you’re getting six million you want him to be on the fringes of your top six you want him to be a guy who can pot 20 to 25 goals and like we said that 35g goal season really is an outlier this is a guy who outside of that season has not topped 20 goals in a season so I don’t know if this is a player you should Target because again nearly $6 million I want you to be maybe a guy who can play on the top line in a pinch but mainly I want you to be a second line player who’s going to score 25 20 goals in a season really complement that top six not a guy who is gonna make nearly $6 million and be on your third line now if it’s an embarrassment of Rich’s kind of deal where you’ve got so much talent in your top six you have to put this guy on the third line I get that but that’s not where the penguins are however I agree with your point about Conroy they’re going to have a very interesting summer in Calgary because a lot of cap space just to shade over 19 million they don’t have a ton of rfas or ufas that they need to resign they’re obviously very much likely to trade Jacob markstrom and that’s $6 million off their cap right there they’ve still got Dan vladar and Dustin wolf is an R fa uh Dustin wolf is going to be the goenda he has shown some very good flashes early on if he can piece it all together they’ve likely got a franchise goalie there and they’ve still got some good pieces and guys like McKenzie weager they’ve obviously got huo who they’re hoping bounces back cadri still has something in the tank Andre k mco’s a solid player Blake Coleman there’s some there’s some pieces there but like you said it’s the old Twitter cliche of identify the bad GMS and call them all the time and he is maybe not solidly on that list but he’s definitely a guy that you want to give a call to and see what you can get out of him he’s working towards it again I just really haven’t been a fan of some of the trades that he’s made I feel like for some of the players he’s moved out he hasn’t gotten fair value back and I feel like here of your Kyle dubis and Company if you can keep calling him and seeing if he wants to retain at least a little bit of that contract to see if that can work for the Penguins because obviously that would work a lot better I would rather have him at you know again 3.8 three and a half million somewhere in that range compared to almost six million for someone who scores 14 to 18 goals I think he would very much help this team he gives them another good depth score in the lineup it just has to be at the right price overall his underlyings this year were mostly fine possession wise when he was on the ice the Flames had 51.5% of the shot attempts the two years prior he was 50 and 59% so a little bit of a step down goals four goals against was fairly even expected goals percentage was about 52.5% scoring chances Y is 51% and high danger chances almost 54% so most of those numbers you know fairly solid I think they can improve if he’s in a better situation like the Penguins but again with this player it just has to be at the right price with some retention involved yeah if you can get them to even 4 and a half million I can stomach that for a guy like mopani because if he scores again 1820 goals even maybe a little bit more at 4.5 million I wouldn’t hate it to say the least yeah because you look at the way the market itself is resetting with a rising cap and the the way that depth players are being more valued and when I say depth I don’t mean fourth liners bottom pairing guys I’m talking middle six I’m talking second pair the prices are going up along with the cap so you may have to pay a little bit more of a price to get those guys on your roster but if you can get out of him what he’s done in his career so far which is hovering between 15 to 20 goals at that price I’m fine with that I think he would fit in well like you said his underlyings pretty solid you put him in a little bit more of a stable situation in Pittsburgh it could really help his production it could help his his game along a little bit better but again we’ve been harping on it in this segment the cap hit he has now that scares me away I will say this one last thing on the Calgary Flames I don’t totally blame Conroy for a lot of what’s gone on there they have a very metalsome ownership that really gets in the way of a lot of what could be a plan to get a good team together so he’s one of those GMS where do we really know if he’s a bad GM or if he’s got someone behind him pushing him to do things he might not want to do that could be it as well I just you know with his track record so far his overall body of work ever since he took over not the greatest we’ll see if it improves this year but he’s getting towards that category of oh find the bad GMS and call them all the time to see what you can get for some of their players he’s not fully in that category but we’re starting to get him to Trend there with some of the moves he’s made no doubt but so at the end of the day it’s an interesting option A lot has to go right there’s got to be some salary retention if there’s no salary retention I’m out on this but you can get Calgary to hold on to a few bucks bring him in Get Him to score a few goals I can live with it but that’ll do it for this first segment of the locked on Penguins podcast when we come back the Florida Panthers could join a club that the Peng and only one other team are in tonight should they finish the series Hunter and I are going to talk about that and more right after this but first let’s tell you about our first sponsor and that is FanDuel summertime means baseball the NBA finals and more and you can bet it all on FanDuel right now new customers get $200 in bonus Bets with any winning $5 bet that’s 200 bucks you can use to bet on everything from the finals MVP to who’s going to hit one out of the park visit fanduel.com lockon and add a big win to your summer bucket list FanDuel America’s number one sports book all right we’re back here on the Tuesday edition of the locked on Penguins podcast and we’re going to do a lot more Focus the rest of the show on the Stanley Cup Final I know this is a penguins podcast so we are going to find a penguins connection for the Stanley Cup Final tonight the Florida Panthers once again have the chance to win the Stanley Cup and if they do they will join a club that is only only has two members Pittsburgh Penguins in 2009 and the 1984 Edmonton Oilers and that club is a team that loses the Stanley Cup Final the previous year gets back and wins it so rather than talk about if the Panthers can do that tonight we will talk about that in our final segment as we look forward to game five tonight we want to talk about the Pittsburgh Penguins journey in 2008 and 2009 to winning their first Stanley Cup under the Sydney Crosby era and looking back this I’m gonna start here because this might be a bit of a hot take I think the 2008 team was better than the 2009 team say you you’re right they were I mean just look at the way that 08 team destroyed the Eastern Conference in the Eastern Conference playoffs they blew through everyone that year their only problem was they went up against one of the greatest teams I’ve ever seen in the 2008 Red Wings that team was loaded top to bottom forwards defense you know Chris OSG good he was good enough in net but that team was stacked honestly it’s kind of a miracle the 08 penguins got to a sixth game against the Red Wings just because of how great that Red Wings team was but the way that 08 team bullied everyone in the playoffs was awesome that 09 team was also very good but you know what they had that the 08 didn’t have they had the experience because they went through what they went through what they did in 2008 excuse me and they used that to their advantage a little bit in 2009 when they finally were able to slay the dragon and beat the Red Wings yeah I mean I think that people put a little bit too much of an emphasis on the experience thing when it comes to 2009 I I don’t think it’s irrelevant it’s definitely relevant because you have that sort of a road map to show you like hey this is what went wrong last time this is what we went through we know how to better navigate it now but you look at that 2018 man they sweep Ottawa in the first round they beat the Rangers in five and then they beat the flyers in five they played all of 14 games to get to the Stanley Cup Final they there was you know the old cliche of like oh to win the Stanley Cup you need at least one quote unquote easy series to get to the final all three of them were pretty easy for the penguins that year and the thing is all three or all three of those uh Eastern Conference series they very easily could have all been sweeps oh yeah I mean again they bullied all three of those teams it didn’t matter what line was on the ice they were taking it to the opposition every single time Mark Andre flurry he was better in 2008 than he was in 2009 I know he made that amazing save on Nick LST in game seven he was pretty solid throughout the 0 and9 playoffs but Pat you we can dive into the numbers too Mark Andre flurry was better in 2008 for the penguins than he was in 2009 and I don’t think you can argue it I I know that it wouldn’t happen because it wasn’t that Transcendent of a performance had a 933 save percentage uh in that playoff he had three shutouts he only gave up 41 goals I it wouldn’t have happened because there were so many studs on the 2008 Red Wings but you could have very vote very well voted Mark Andre flurry third for the con SMI because that’ 08 final against Detroit it would have easily been a sweep without Mark Andre flurry he was under siege all series he really was and then you go you go up to 09 and it’s not as it’s not as good of a statline for flurry 9008 save percentage gave up 63 goals no shutouts it was a rough sledding rough sledding relatively for Mark Andre flurry in 2009 but I will say he was very good in the Stanley Cup Final in 2009 obviously everybody remembers the Secret Service save against Lidstrom it’s iconic I said it to a cooworker the other day if Mark Andre flurry were to ever get a statue in Pittsburgh it has to be that save but he was Rock Solid in that final he W he like the rest of the team struggled in games one and two you can forgive him for those games because the Penguins in a as a whole in 2009 in that final were not good in games one and two but games three games four and six and seven he was an absolute Rock and I can’t even blame him really for the Blitz in game five when they got absolutely taken to the Woodshed because again similar to games one and two everybody was off that night it wasn’t just Mark Andre flurry yeah they were having a lot of trouble winning at the Joe over those couple of Series in 08 and 09 and then Flory plays one of the best games of his career in game seven with the saves that he made especially of course at the end but you know that 09 te also had aghy malan going god mode throughout the Stanley Cup Playoffs he was great in eight for the Penguins as was Sydney Crosby but Malin just went into a complete other level in 2009 with the way he was able to win the cons Smite the way he was great through all four rounds for the Penguins Crosby I think he was better in 09 than he was in ‘ 08 as well but Gino man he was just lighting it up that cook doall Kennedy line in an 09 that was also great and I think Dan just brought a Swagger or a confidence that this team really needed right after the coaching change was made this team was just playing free will type of hockey and it translated into the playoffs that’s another big fit thing for me as well yeah no doubt and you can never discount what Michelle teron did to help this team grow because you watch the way they played under Dan bilma it was a more open freewheeling style but they still had ingrained in them an ability to play Team defense that is an absolute credit to Michelle tyon because you look at that team when they’re coming up again with with the Crosby with Malin with stall lat Tang all those Young Guns they were all very talented offensive players obviously Jordan Stall was a great two-way forward but these guys had so much offensive talent but you had and I know this annoys a lot of people you had to mold that into a more complete game because it’s very easy to play a free freewheeling offensive style but if you can’t defend in the NHL you’re never going to be able to outscore your problems you just won’t I know that sucks to say I would love to see more 76 8 s games but at the end of the day if you can’t stop it you’re not going to win and you watch the way they play game seven in 2009 they were an absolute dominant force on defense yeah they got caved in but if you go back and watch the third period of game seven yeah they’re under siege for the whole 20 minutes but outside of one or two times including the ledstrom uh the lrom save where they had an extra attacker there’s not a lot of threats it’s very low danger it’s very perimeter play it’s very we’re going to let them play with the on the outskirts and the perimeter of the offensive zone skate themselves out let them get a nothing shot on net we’re going to clear it out let them skate themselves into the ground again to this day that shot that hit the crossbar late in the third period still scares the ever living hell out of me I still anytime I see it I I still somehow get a little nervous just because I feel like it’s going to go in but even though I know it didn’t go in but I still feel like it’s for some reason gonna go in that that was the one of the main other chances that obviously I know the Red Wings had but yeah the Penguins were just completely under siege I I do think the Penguins did a good job in that third period of limiting the high danger areas but everything for them was red line and out red line and out they were not getting to the offensive zone at all during the third period they were just trying to Skyhook the puck out that entire time with how great the Red Wings were but yeah that crossbar shot man still scares the B Jesus out of me all the time and of course we would be remissed if we did not mention the biggest storyline between those two Stanley Cups and it’s Mary and HOSA Mari and HOSA says on the record after leaving the Penguins in 2008 and joining the Red Wings on a one-year deal that he felt he had a better chance to win the Stanley Cup with the Detroit Red Wings and you know what the sad part is we obviously love to laugh about it and and give them crap for it wasn’t really wrong that was an unreal team when you go through the names on that roster I mean you look at it pavl datsu kendri Zetterberg Johan fronen Nicholas ledstrom Yi hudler Nicholas cronwell Mel Samuelson Dan clear valter fupa uh Thomas Holstrom Chris Draper Just Killer after killer after killer see we can’t really kill HOSA too much now just because he did win three Stanley Cups with the Chicago Blackhawks and he was such fun to watch in’ 08 man his chemistry with Crosby was through the roof at times I wish they still resigned him but just looking back at it now obviously penguins have the three St the cup sense I’m okay that they parted ways yeah it’s it stung at the time it gave them some motivation But alls well that ends well and that will do it for this second segment when we come back game five of the Stanley 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Hunter hodies and here we go we could see the Stanley Cup tonight be awarded in front of as the Florida Panthers are so funny in saying all six of their fans down in Sunrise they’re really owning the memes of having no fans but we could also see Conor McDavid and the Edmonton Oilers live to fight another day after that 8-1 drubbing in game four in Edmonton so Hunter I put it to you your immediate thoughts what happens tonight in game five see my predictions always suck so I’m not sure I want to predict the winner here because I feel like the opposite is going to happen but if I had to guess I feel like the Panthers are going to end it tonight and win their first family cap in franchise history they’re going to take that loss to Edmonton in game four personally that’s the worst they’ve played all playoffs long this has been a juggernaut through and through even when they’ve lost games before that one in the playoffs they’ve responded the right way every single time I think you’re going to see that big response game from the Panthers in this one I don’t think Sergey bosski is going to have another poor game like you saw in game four I think barov is gonna have another big game for the Panthers as we discussed on Monday man it’s time for Matthew kachuck to do something in this series he’s been fairly solid in the first three rounds for the Panthers but this still makeup finals so far he has not been that good it’s time for him to make life a living hell for the Oilers like he did during his time with the Flames so I’m curious to see what he can do in this one I’m also looking for gusta forsing to have a big game he’s been great all playoffs long for the Panthers I think you’re going to see a good dose of him against McDavid or dry sidol in this one so I’m gonna go with the Panthers to win this one but if the opposite happens I won’t be surprised just because of my luck and with how the Oilers played in game four I’ll never complain about having more hockey to watch so if Edmonton does win it tonight you’re not going to see me upset about it that said I I’m right there with you I I don’t see a world where Florida doesn’t close this out tonight that said I can imagine one where Florida doesn’t close it out tonight and it all hinges on the guys between the pipes I think if Sergey bosski has another tough start against the Oilers tonight lets in an early one that really could boost Edmonton’s confidence because they may they had to have been extremely frustrated through three games because they in no world played poorly I don’t think maybe Florida played better but I don’t think Edmonton played poorly they just couldn’t solve Sergey bosski and then in game four they chase him in the first period if they can get an early one on bosski quiet down all six or seven fans in Florida that might really help them because that is another confidence boost to them to think all right we can do this we made Bovi look human we made bosski think twice about our Shooters but if he comes back has another bosski game like he’s had all playoff long probably G to be all she wrote for the edmon Oilers right and it was great that the Oilers de players really stepped up in that game four win they got things going early in the first period you know with Connor Brown Matias Yanmar Adam Henrik but I’m not sure lightning is going to strike twice there with their debt players starting out in game five the way they started out game four I think from the very beginning in this game it has to be Edmonton’s big guns answering the call a little bit earlier they were great later on in game four Dr idle had his moment McDavid had his moment Bard I felt like was very good Heyman had a very good game but it needs to start a lot earlier in this one if the Oilers want to send this back to Alberta yeah and and I don’t want to get too hot takish on this because when the history books are written they will talk about how great Conor McDavid is so it’s not like this is a legacy defining type of final for him but should he have another Transcendent performance tonight and carry this team back to Edmonton which if they do that that’s really gonna Place some doubt in Florida’s head if they’re to win tonight but if he’s able to do this and he’s a ble to carry this team back to Edmonton for a game six he instantly starts to insert himself into the greatest of alltime discussions because if you’re able to will a team that was down three 0 at the very least somewhat back up the mountain with a great performance that does not go unnoticed by the people who write those history books oh I agree and he is one of the biggest reasons why the Oilers are even here him tridle buard EOL we can keep going with hman Newen Hopkins it’s those guys those players are the reason the Oilers are here let’s see what they can do in this one but I agree I mean he somehow pulls off this incredible comeback and they potentially reverse sweep the Panthers I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself here Pat because they’re still down three games to one but they somehow someway find a way to do do that oh man the takes about McDavid oh they’re going to be something else and it would be I mean he’s already going to be when he’s all said and done he’s gonna be one of the greatest hockey players this league has ever seen I mean without a doubt he already is that but man if he’s able to somehow pull this off he’ll climb the rankings significantly he sure will but let’s like you said let’s not get too far of a ahead of ourselves here game five tonight 8:00 p.m. from Sunrise Florida the Florida Panthers look to win their first Stanley Cup the Edmonton Oilers look to stay alive and that’ll do it for us on the Tuesday edition of the locked on Penguins podcast Hunter and I will return on Wednesday with an all new episode with any sort of penguins news that may come between now and then and maybe talking about a new Stanley Cup champion or getting ready for game six of the Stanley Cup Final but for now for Hunter hoodies I am Patrick damp thank you as always for tuning in and we will talk to you on Wednesday

Could the Penguins give the Calgary Flames a call for forward Andrew Mangiapane? Patrick and Hunter discuss a new report linking the Penguins to Mangiapane. They look into what a trade would cost, if he’s worth acquiring, and whether or not some of his numbers are as good as they may seem. Next, the Florida Panthers could join an exclusive club that only the 2009 Penguins and 1984 Oilers are a part of. With that in mind, they look back on the Penguins back-to-back finals trips in 2008 and 2009. Finally, do the Panthers close it out or does Edmonton stay alive?

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