Falvey, Twins’ brass don’t blame 2024 results on payroll cuts
September 30, 2024
Falvey, Twins’ brass don’t blame 2024 results on payroll cuts
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Falvey, Twins’ brass want to keep their jobs.
“actually, i think it would have been better if we had even less money to spend”
Shit like this is so infuriating
> “To find ourselves in this position is just, it’s embarrassing,” Pohlad said. “It’s angering. It’s all of the feelings, right? And we’ve got to really look inward and figure out what the hell happened, because it’s not acceptable at all. We’ve got to sort some things out, for sure.”
My guy.
People are going to be mad at this statement, but what do you expect him to say? “It’s my bosses fault, I wasn’t given enough money to work with”? I’m sure he likes to keep his job.
no one is believing these media politics so why bother saying anything at all. Everyone knows the core issue and until they nut up to say it they are just as complicit.
So when Pohlad says:
> “It’s been well-documented, this payroll decision, and as I kind of reflect on my role in all of this, we were at an all-time high last year, right? Fans were all-in. Players were all-in. We were headed down a great direction and I had to make a very difficult business decision.
my main question is, what forced the payroll decision? Be specific. Because I think getting some insight into the decision making would begin to ease the animosity Joe is probably feeling right now. Unless…
Unless the decision was driven by something he has every reason to suspect will make people even more angry. So idk probably normal rich person things like trying to buy a new mcmansion for his kids because they didn’t like the carpet in the old one.
But if it’s not something totally normal and relatable as that, if it truly was a business oriented decision, I think he should say more. He doesn’t have to but I feel like it would make a difference in the tone of the conversation. He might like that.
Unpopular opinion, but technically they are correct. The payroll cuts were an absolutely infuriating gut punch to the fans. They probably lowered the ceiling of the team to where the WS was not a possible outcome. They were unfathomably stupid from a business perspective and they were probably damaging to player morale.
That said: this team missed the playoffs because of basic execution issues and offensive collapse down the stretch. It’s possible this could have been allayed by better bullpen acquisitions at the trade deadline, but it is still the single largest causal factor in the team underperforming. The distinction is really important, IMO – the payroll cuts were the wrong move for the fans and the team’s direction, but, INDEPENDENTLY, problems unrelated to payroll caused us to miss the playoffs. The latter set of problems need to be addressed this offseason, and they can’t be addressed by money.
We’ve done nothing and we’re all out of ideas
If only there was a simple, straightforward relationship between resource reduction and the failure to add quality depth to a flawed, often-injured roster.
It has officially reached the point as a fan, of not supporting the team next season. The only thing that the Pohlads will understand is if attendance takes a dive along with merchandise sales.
Well I do
Meaningless. What do people expect them to say?
Then why couldn’t you get any good free agents to fill the obvious starting rotation hole that Sonny Gray left? Why didn’t you trade for anybody at the deadline other than some placeholder that you DFAd immediately afterward? You can’t sit there with a straight face and tell me DeSclafani and Paddack were going to last 162 games.
So fucking infuriating
lol of course they don’t, their paychecks depend on them acting like everything is fine.
When you look at the construction of the roster to begin the year, based on the injuries to begin the year (the lack-thereof) and the successes of the prior season and playoff push, we didn’t have many empty spaces. And when you consider Duran and Lewis were the first major injuries, and Jax, Sands, and Castro stepped up to a major degree, I can understand why it can be said that the failure of the season is not in the payroll cut.
BUT. There is a serious issue when we run into the injury bug, losing 60 games from Buxton and 80 from Lewis and Correa. Those are the three we needed to crutch on, and they were absent. When you pair this with the failures and injuries of the bullpen, and the injuries to the rotation, our strengths very quickly became weaknesses.
The failure of the front office was not adjusting. The best we’re gonna get from them is a shrug of the shoulders and a “next year will be better”.
we’re slowly turning into the A’s.
and this is why nothing will ever get better
I mean seriously here people and fans. You can’t expect the Pohlads to put the blame on themselves for being greedy sonsabitches!!! Can you?!?!
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Falvey, Twins’ brass want to keep their jobs.
“actually, i think it would have been better if we had even less money to spend”
Shit like this is so infuriating
> “To find ourselves in this position is just, it’s embarrassing,” Pohlad said. “It’s angering. It’s all of the feelings, right? And we’ve got to really look inward and figure out what the hell happened, because it’s not acceptable at all. We’ve got to sort some things out, for sure.”
My guy.
People are going to be mad at this statement, but what do you expect him to say? “It’s my bosses fault, I wasn’t given enough money to work with”? I’m sure he likes to keep his job.
no one is believing these media politics so why bother saying anything at all. Everyone knows the core issue and until they nut up to say it they are just as complicit.
So when Pohlad says:
> “It’s been well-documented, this payroll decision, and as I kind of reflect on my role in all of this, we were at an all-time high last year, right? Fans were all-in. Players were all-in. We were headed down a great direction and I had to make a very difficult business decision.
my main question is, what forced the payroll decision? Be specific. Because I think getting some insight into the decision making would begin to ease the animosity Joe is probably feeling right now. Unless…
Unless the decision was driven by something he has every reason to suspect will make people even more angry. So idk probably normal rich person things like trying to buy a new mcmansion for his kids because they didn’t like the carpet in the old one.
But if it’s not something totally normal and relatable as that, if it truly was a business oriented decision, I think he should say more. He doesn’t have to but I feel like it would make a difference in the tone of the conversation. He might like that.
Unpopular opinion, but technically they are correct. The payroll cuts were an absolutely infuriating gut punch to the fans. They probably lowered the ceiling of the team to where the WS was not a possible outcome. They were unfathomably stupid from a business perspective and they were probably damaging to player morale.
That said: this team missed the playoffs because of basic execution issues and offensive collapse down the stretch. It’s possible this could have been allayed by better bullpen acquisitions at the trade deadline, but it is still the single largest causal factor in the team underperforming. The distinction is really important, IMO – the payroll cuts were the wrong move for the fans and the team’s direction, but, INDEPENDENTLY, problems unrelated to payroll caused us to miss the playoffs. The latter set of problems need to be addressed this offseason, and they can’t be addressed by money.
We’ve done nothing and we’re all out of ideas
If only there was a simple, straightforward relationship between resource reduction and the failure to add quality depth to a flawed, often-injured roster.
It has officially reached the point as a fan, of not supporting the team next season. The only thing that the Pohlads will understand is if attendance takes a dive along with merchandise sales.
Well I do
Meaningless. What do people expect them to say?
Then why couldn’t you get any good free agents to fill the obvious starting rotation hole that Sonny Gray left? Why didn’t you trade for anybody at the deadline other than some placeholder that you DFAd immediately afterward? You can’t sit there with a straight face and tell me DeSclafani and Paddack were going to last 162 games.
So fucking infuriating
lol of course they don’t, their paychecks depend on them acting like everything is fine.
When you look at the construction of the roster to begin the year, based on the injuries to begin the year (the lack-thereof) and the successes of the prior season and playoff push, we didn’t have many empty spaces. And when you consider Duran and Lewis were the first major injuries, and Jax, Sands, and Castro stepped up to a major degree, I can understand why it can be said that the failure of the season is not in the payroll cut.
BUT. There is a serious issue when we run into the injury bug, losing 60 games from Buxton and 80 from Lewis and Correa. Those are the three we needed to crutch on, and they were absent. When you pair this with the failures and injuries of the bullpen, and the injuries to the rotation, our strengths very quickly became weaknesses.
The failure of the front office was not adjusting. The best we’re gonna get from them is a shrug of the shoulders and a “next year will be better”.
we’re slowly turning into the A’s.
and this is why nothing will ever get better
I mean seriously here people and fans. You can’t expect the Pohlads to put the blame on themselves for being greedy sonsabitches!!! Can you?!?!