I think arenado under performed here. Especially in the playoffs. He was paired with an mvp and couldn’t get it done. He wanted Contreras signed and we got him. He wanted more vets so we signed a bunch of 30 year olds. It never worked. He’s not the player he was at Colorado and he often wears that on his sleeve.
The only new piece of information this morning’s article offered is that Arenado hasn’t specifically asked to be traded–he’s just open to it.
Sure that’s fine, and if it doesn’t work out I’d welcome him back. Second half of the year he seemed to chill out and take some pressure off himself and it seemed to translate to more success. Hopefully he would build off that
2 years too late, but it’s a good idea still
It’s likely best to move on from Nolan if we can. I’ve been shocked by how poor his strike zone judgement is.
Rip the bandaid, get it done, we got younger options at 3B, of the big contracts, his makes the most sense to move (age, years remaining, performance, etc). Only question is how much $$$ we have to eat to get it done, don’t care about the return.
There is not much reason to keep him while he still has some value if they aren’t going to be competitive the next few years. Same with Contreras. Being a 75 to 82 win team is useless. Get some value!
Don’t blame them. Hopefully we can get some good pieces for him. He had a few good seasons with us but he didn’t seem to care much at all last year. He also isn’t a leader at all, which the team needs right now.
Call up the Yankees and see what a package of Nado and Helsley would get ya
The amount of talent we waste is infuriating.
Cool, time to move on (for both parties).
Should have happened last year, along with Goldie and Mikolas.
How much salary is Dewitt willing to eat?
Honestly, as much as Nolan is one of our “superstars”, I have a feeling moving him or not isn’t a super consequential move either way.
He has a NTC, so the teams he’d accept a trade to is probably a short list, if I had to hazard a guess, only WS contenders west of STL would be in play, which is super limiting. In any trade, we’d either have to pay a solid chunk of his $, or take very little in return for him. It’s also not like we have a prospect who is really pushing him out of the lineup. Gorman hasn’t earned an everyday spot, so if Saggese/JJ has a great spring and demands ABs, they can put them at 2nd.
If a team is willing to give us a good deal now, then I say to do it. If every offer is dog shit, I’d keep him until the deadline. If he plays well? Great, rebuild his value, and move him for a better deal then, or if we surprise ourselves and are competitive, having him around won’t hurt. If he’s still not great? Then just move him at the deadline for anything, and use the last few months of the season to call up someone (I’m assuming Saggesse makes the opening day roster, so JJ would be my guess for this spot) up and give them a taste (like Winn last year)
This is the smart move. We aren’t competitive. Save the money and put it towards development and try and get prospects.
I liked that one season where Goldy and Nado finished 1 and 3 in MVP voting. Wish we had more of those.
I mean why not? He’s settled into warning track power status. Without the power threat there’s not much there to love offensively. He wastes at bats chasing balls out of the zone, he’s slow on the base paths, defense is still good but his range and quickness appears to now be fading as well. Let him go play for a contender if there’s interest.
Please do. Eat some salary to maybe get a mid-level prospect back and call it a day.
I am ok with trading him. The Cardinals were unable to capitalize on Goldschmidt and Arenado (especially in 2022), and Arenado is only getting older. There is no happy ending to this story.
I feel like this is just common sense? We all knew they’d be at least looking as soon as they announced their rebuild, reset, re-imagining of the roster. The only thing I hadn’t seen before is that Nolan definitely hasn’t asked for a trade.
Good writing, though. Interesting perspective using the Rolen trade as a parallel.
Bear in mind, we will be lucky to get an Austin Gomber type player back (which is essentially all we gave up, him, Montero, and 3 non-prospects)
Squinty Squints, wish this played out better
No shit
What a shame we didn’t build around him and goldy. Nado was one of my favorite players even while on the Rockies. Organizational malpractice.
Arenado actually rebounded defensively in 2024 from 2023. I’d be OK with keeping him unless the Cards get a good haul in return, in exchange for eating some salary, presumably.
That said, what the Cards actually owe is 2025: $27M; 2026: $22M; 2027: $15M.
If they get a sweeter return for eating $5M a year? That’s good. If the other team wants them to eat $10M a year or more on the first two years? I’d walk back away.
As for the Cards having better options at the position right now? Please, no more talk of putting Walker at third, first of all. Second, Saggese is not primarily a 3B, and also isn’t all that. Ditto on Fermín.
Did the Colorado Rockies still have to pay his salary if the Cardinals trade him?
The lineup will miss him, but he hasn’t really ever felt like a cardinal. Goldschmidt either… Unfortunately, their careers will not be remembered for their cardinal days.
Do you think the cardinals go into trade talks with other teams by damn near guaranteeing their players will win championships? At this point, all we do is crush players and send them off to be champions, I expect him to bounce back and destroy the next few octobers lol
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I think arenado under performed here. Especially in the playoffs. He was paired with an mvp and couldn’t get it done. He wanted Contreras signed and we got him. He wanted more vets so we signed a bunch of 30 year olds. It never worked. He’s not the player he was at Colorado and he often wears that on his sleeve.
The only new piece of information this morning’s article offered is that Arenado hasn’t specifically asked to be traded–he’s just open to it.
Sure that’s fine, and if it doesn’t work out I’d welcome him back. Second half of the year he seemed to chill out and take some pressure off himself and it seemed to translate to more success. Hopefully he would build off that
2 years too late, but it’s a good idea still
It’s likely best to move on from Nolan if we can. I’ve been shocked by how poor his strike zone judgement is.
Rip the bandaid, get it done, we got younger options at 3B, of the big contracts, his makes the most sense to move (age, years remaining, performance, etc). Only question is how much $$$ we have to eat to get it done, don’t care about the return.
There is not much reason to keep him while he still has some value if they aren’t going to be competitive the next few years. Same with Contreras. Being a 75 to 82 win team is useless. Get some value!
Don’t blame them. Hopefully we can get some good pieces for him. He had a few good seasons with us but he didn’t seem to care much at all last year. He also isn’t a leader at all, which the team needs right now.
Call up the Yankees and see what a package of Nado and Helsley would get ya
The amount of talent we waste is infuriating.
Cool, time to move on (for both parties).
Should have happened last year, along with Goldie and Mikolas.
How much salary is Dewitt willing to eat?
Honestly, as much as Nolan is one of our “superstars”, I have a feeling moving him or not isn’t a super consequential move either way.
He has a NTC, so the teams he’d accept a trade to is probably a short list, if I had to hazard a guess, only WS contenders west of STL would be in play, which is super limiting. In any trade, we’d either have to pay a solid chunk of his $, or take very little in return for him. It’s also not like we have a prospect who is really pushing him out of the lineup. Gorman hasn’t earned an everyday spot, so if Saggese/JJ has a great spring and demands ABs, they can put them at 2nd.
If a team is willing to give us a good deal now, then I say to do it. If every offer is dog shit, I’d keep him until the deadline. If he plays well? Great, rebuild his value, and move him for a better deal then, or if we surprise ourselves and are competitive, having him around won’t hurt. If he’s still not great? Then just move him at the deadline for anything, and use the last few months of the season to call up someone (I’m assuming Saggesse makes the opening day roster, so JJ would be my guess for this spot) up and give them a taste (like Winn last year)
This is the smart move. We aren’t competitive. Save the money and put it towards development and try and get prospects.
I liked that one season where Goldy and Nado finished 1 and 3 in MVP voting. Wish we had more of those.
I mean why not? He’s settled into warning track power status. Without the power threat there’s not much there to love offensively. He wastes at bats chasing balls out of the zone, he’s slow on the base paths, defense is still good but his range and quickness appears to now be fading as well. Let him go play for a contender if there’s interest.
Please do. Eat some salary to maybe get a mid-level prospect back and call it a day.
I am ok with trading him. The Cardinals were unable to capitalize on Goldschmidt and Arenado (especially in 2022), and Arenado is only getting older. There is no happy ending to this story.
I feel like this is just common sense? We all knew they’d be at least looking as soon as they announced their rebuild, reset, re-imagining of the roster. The only thing I hadn’t seen before is that Nolan definitely hasn’t asked for a trade.
Good writing, though. Interesting perspective using the Rolen trade as a parallel.
Bear in mind, we will be lucky to get an Austin Gomber type player back (which is essentially all we gave up, him, Montero, and 3 non-prospects)
Squinty Squints, wish this played out better
No shit
What a shame we didn’t build around him and goldy. Nado was one of my favorite players even while on the Rockies. Organizational malpractice.
Arenado actually rebounded defensively in 2024 from 2023. I’d be OK with keeping him unless the Cards get a good haul in return, in exchange for eating some salary, presumably.
That said, what the Cards actually owe is 2025: $27M; 2026: $22M; 2027: $15M.
If they get a sweeter return for eating $5M a year? That’s good. If the other team wants them to eat $10M a year or more on the first two years? I’d walk back away.
As for the Cards having better options at the position right now? Please, no more talk of putting Walker at third, first of all. Second, Saggese is not primarily a 3B, and also isn’t all that. Ditto on Fermín.
Did the Colorado Rockies still have to pay his salary if the Cardinals trade him?
The lineup will miss him, but he hasn’t really ever felt like a cardinal. Goldschmidt either… Unfortunately, their careers will not be remembered for their cardinal days.
Do you think the cardinals go into trade talks with other teams by damn near guaranteeing their players will win championships? At this point, all we do is crush players and send them off to be champions, I expect him to bounce back and destroy the next few octobers lol