Should Los Angeles Angels Use Deferrals? Deferred Payments EXPLAINED, Why It May Lead to a Lockout

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1. You guys are gonna wake up our neighbors up the 5 freeway lol they don't like when we critique their moves.

2. Dodgers aren’t the first team to defer contracts. Ichiro, Griffey, and Manny Ramirez are all still getting paid to this day long after retiring. Can see why California is pissed because Snell and Ohtani can just move to Florida later and not have to pay any income tax on their deferred money.

3. I feel like if we’re going to defer money to a player, we need to be in a position to where we are going to be competitive and we have enough players to replace that player. It’s like a cutting a player after playing horribly and having to eat it. Since we have so much money committed to Rendon trout and kikucki, we’re stuck into those guys until their contract is off the books.

   The dodgers on the other hand, they have enough prospect capital and world class analytics, to where they find anyone to make them play the best in their career. The Angels do not have those anywhere close what they have, and if anything they make players worse, and if a player gets injured it hurts the team a lot more because they are so value to their team, and may not regain those abilities on the field. The dodgers on the other hand surround their team with their stars. It doesn’t matter what they pay them, their FO takes really good care of the payroll, they don’t lose draft picks, they don’t lose IFA money, none of that matters.

   The angels should not copy the dodgers, they’re trying to build a team like multiple other team’s ways. This used to be a team where they revolved analytically matching good players like Torii Hunter and Mike Napoli and Erick aybar. I don’t know what changed, maybe Jerry dipoto being fired changed everything, or this team simply didn’t have it anymore but the FO went into disarray.

   My final take is that if they’re going to defer money, make it a superstar signing that plays up to potential and stays on the field. We have a history of ruining players, but we could splurge on the right guy if the time is right. But I wouldn’t be to greedy to where that guy would hinder the payroll.

4. Congratulations Jon!!

5. Wooooo!!! Congrats and God Bless y’all Jon!

6. Congrats, Jon!

7. Jon is absolutely correct about the magnitude if the owner rift and the work stoppage near certainty. The Marlins, Rays, and other low- revenue teams simply cannot allow the current systemic imbalance to continue. It won't, because this is a survivability line in the sand.

8. Best rant of the year!😂

9. How many single owners of teams are there, compared to group ownership?

10. Congratulations John ! A new angels fan on the way 👦

11. Ken Griffey Jr for example is still 5th or so on the payroll for the current year for the Reds, so it's nothing new.
    No to deferrals for the Angels, however as Arte has been on and off with selling the team for the past few years. Deferrals make sense for the dodgers as their ownership is unlikely to change within the next decade or so.

12. • Congratulations!•+•
    Welcome baby Arte Frisch!!!! ⚾️

13. deferrals help teams/owners why would they try to get rid of it

14. Luxury tax teams should also have to forfeit their first 5 draft picks in the mlb draft for being in the tax For the so called cheap owners a player salary floor should be put in around $100-$120 million a year. If they fail to maintain that number they should lose picks as well say 2 picks maybe the 3rd and 4th rd picks. Maybe something like this could help avoid a work stoppage.

15. Congratulations! I have 4 myself haha

    P.s. I feel as if you need to either adjust defferals effect on the luxury tax or introduce the salary cap/floor that adjusts with inflation. OR even a defferal cap. Having teams on at least closer playing fields in payroll would dramatically increase competitiveness. Which is a good thing for the sport. If all of baseball is ruled by dodgers and yankees every year, then i believe the overall fanbase of the sport will die down again. MLB should promote all of baseball in its entirety, not just the top 5 spenders. I think it would give us WBC energy for every game as opposed to being worried about the upcoming freeway series that we hope to take at least game with a W. Love the show!

16. Jon, Congratulations on the newbie

17. Congrats Jon! All the best for the new family member

18. 😂😂I laughed so much to Jon’s Rant..😂
    ..I have to agree, Twitter (X), has the most ridiculous mix of people with brains resembling Neanderthals and/or aggressive Chihuahuas..

    An input on Morenos reluctance to [Ohtani] deferral. It wasn’t the deferment itself so much as CAA mentioned, what additions (players/bullpen), enhancement to the farm system was mentioned as exchange for the deferment. This is the same suggested to The Dodgers, which they more than willingly agreed.
    Moreno does NOT like to be told how to run his franchise business by an employee …He is old fashioned…

    🎉Congrats Jon!

19. Congratulations to you and your wife Jon!

20. Well we know Jon’s not naming his baby Arte. Take that one off the list. 😂

21. Yaay Angel Baby! Congratulations Brother!

22. Angels should just go route Anaheim Ducks went

23. Congratulations John. Being a father is the best.

    As far as the Dodgers and Yankees and the money they pay out is concerned, as you guys mentioned it’s been happening for as long as I’ve been alive. Even with their super teams, there have always been teams that rise up and beat them. Hopefully the Angels can be one of those teams.

24. Congrats Jon. Kids are a blessing. Is it your first?

25. Deferrals are risky. It's debt. It may seem forseeable now that the Dodgers can manage it down the road, but things can turn quickly. Mike, as a pastor, I'm sure you're familiar with James 4:13. Fortunes can go south. The Dodger owners may be forced to sell the team to another Frank McCourt. If most of the Dodger revenue is forved to go towards the Ohtani contract rather than putting a competitive on the field in 2034 to 2043, will everyone be complaining that the Dodgers need relief? At least with the bad Artie contracts, most of them are over and done with. Now, to be fair, I haven"t listened to the podcast yet but will. Maybe you've touched on some of these points. I'm adversed to debt so as much ss I'd like to see the Angels hulk out and do what the Dodgers are doing, I worry about what happens down the road and putting out crap teams because most of their revenue is paying off the contracts of retired players.

26. Congratulations Jon🎉🎉🎉. What a wonderful blessing. 👶

27. You guys keep saying that deferrals don't count toward the luxury tax, which is not true. They do count against the luxury tax, just at a lower value, calculated based on the current value of the future money. For example: Ohtani's contract is around $45m toward the luxury tax, not $70m.

28. Deferrals might make it more difficult to sell the team

29. And thanks for the rant, Jon! I don’t think a lot of people see what the real issue is with deferrals by the big market teams. Thanks for clarifying it for all of us. And forget about the people who just won’t see the issue for what it is! It’s the majority of the commentators on social media on ANY issue!!😆