Could this team have more wins than they have with a different coach? Sure, I can see that. But, this team, as presently constructed, is not winning 6 to 8 games. They simply don’t have a capable WR or a single decent offensive lineman.
I am not team tank, but this team is not going anywhere, regardless of who is coach, with the current talent in place. Winning another game or 2 doesn’t solve a thing.
If the coach was not a moron we could have easily beaten Seattle, Miami, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Los Angeles Rams, and Indianapolis.
Everybody who says “no” is just assuming that we’d be running it back with Mac Jones or Bailey Zappe or something, which just wasn’t going to happen in 2024 no matter who the coach was.
The fact of the matter is that the 2023 Patriots had the 8th ranked defense in EPA, and the 2022 Patriots had the 3rd ranked defense in EPA.
Under Mayo and Covington we have the 30th ranked defense in EPA, despite having one of the easiest schedules in the league.
To act like this team wouldn’t be vastly better with Bill Belichick as head coach is a joke, and if you actually believe that I can’t take your opinion seriously.
He can’t that much worse with Demontrey Jacobs
Absolutely not. Say what you will about the coaching and playcalling, but this offensive line and receiving corps doesn’t leave much room for overperformance.
And that’s on ownership/Wolf
We may have 1-2 more wins but we would also look like the same garbage with the same stupidity..
People seem to keep forgetting we were making dumb penalties and playing stupid in the last 2 years under Bill too….
No. Mayo is terrible, but let’s be real. This team would be a dumpster fire regardless of the head coach. Besides Maye, Gonzalez and Henry, it’s a roster just completely devoid of talent across the board.
If BB had Maye (who I don’t think he’d have picked) and McConkey (who I think he would’ve), we would definitely be sniffing 6 or so wins
Bill would have never gone into the season with this roster to start with. And it is coaching you can see it in the veterans. Watch Jones get turned around and left by receivers. He didn’t forget how to play corner. It’s coaching.
Not sure what the record would be but it would definitely be an improvement from the current record. The line would be at least a little improved and defense would be much better. Bill knew how to make players accountable and get more out of them. When Mayo took the reins I was hoping that he learned that from Bill at least but apparently not.
Belichick would at the bare minimum make in game adjustments. Mayo just keeps banging his head against the wall with the playcalling. It doesn’t work, but he keeps calling the same stupid plays
I mean we definitely win the majority of the close games we lost if we have a halfway decent coach.
Assuming Bill drafted Maye and planned to start him from the beginning, yes. Easily. The regression of the defense cannot be ignored.
They’d at least have 2 more wins, most likely. 6 wins at this point is reasonable for sure. There are a few games where they just got blasted and Belichick wouldn’t be enough to flip every 1-score game, he lost his share of those, too, but there’s no way the defense plays so poorly and that definitely flips some games to wins.
Basically, what if last year’s team had Maye? They definitely flirt with .500 but be 2-3 games short of it.
The defense is a concern, but the offensive line being dog water *has* to impact it. Knowing the other side if the ball is 3 and out so damn often. It’d be easy to look up but I’m lazy, and a whiner, what does time of possion look like for the season?
If the main staff was Belichick McDaniels and S. Belichick we would be fighting Denver/cinci/indy for a wildcard spot. Gonzo would be getting discussed as a potential best cb in the league and our WRs would still be laughed at
Of course they’d be better with Belichick and have won more games. Not even a question. One of the reasons this defense stinks is they’re trying to run Belichick’s defense, but without Bill.
We have not been able to resign a player to a second contract drafted since 2016 or 2018 I don’t remember the year? That leaves us at a huge talent gap with the rest of the league. It’s painful to watch much more
Plus our top drafted receivers hurt more than anything
No shot the defense is this bad with BB. We’d def win a few more games.
I mean we have 3 wins and lost 6 games by 1 score or less. And we have largely the same roster as last year, minus Judon but with an actual QB.
I don’t see how this is that controversial.
The only thing working against that is BB prob wasn’t taking Maye with the way he talked about him lol
8 is a stretch but i think 6 would be possible.
Obviously Mayo`s team did not show anything positive in any aspect of the game. Maye and Gonzalez been good, but thats on players
6-8 wins might be a stretch but they would definitely have more wins overall, and everything would probably look better.
we also have to remember Bill probably drafts differently. Does he take maye? Does he take polk? who knows.
So they’re 6-11 then what? Draft in the teens and people calling for him to be fired
Why does it have to be this or that? It’s both. The coaching sucks so the players suck. That also doesn’t mean that with Belichick, guys like Polk would be putting up Randy Moss numbers.
It’s the exact same situation when people argue whether it was Brady or Belichick who made the dynasty. It was both.
If we were 6 win team people here would be bitching and moaning about missing the playoffs *and* our draft position.
6 wins should be the minimum for any coach, any competent coach can get at least 6 wins.
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With a competent coach we would have 6-8 wins.
Could this team have more wins than they have with a different coach? Sure, I can see that. But, this team, as presently constructed, is not winning 6 to 8 games. They simply don’t have a capable WR or a single decent offensive lineman.
I am not team tank, but this team is not going anywhere, regardless of who is coach, with the current talent in place. Winning another game or 2 doesn’t solve a thing.
If the coach was not a moron we could have easily beaten Seattle, Miami, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Los Angeles Rams, and Indianapolis.
Everybody who says “no” is just assuming that we’d be running it back with Mac Jones or Bailey Zappe or something, which just wasn’t going to happen in 2024 no matter who the coach was.
The fact of the matter is that the 2023 Patriots had the 8th ranked defense in EPA, and the 2022 Patriots had the 3rd ranked defense in EPA.
Under Mayo and Covington we have the 30th ranked defense in EPA, despite having one of the easiest schedules in the league.
To act like this team wouldn’t be vastly better with Bill Belichick as head coach is a joke, and if you actually believe that I can’t take your opinion seriously.
He can’t that much worse with Demontrey Jacobs
Absolutely not. Say what you will about the coaching and playcalling, but this offensive line and receiving corps doesn’t leave much room for overperformance.
And that’s on ownership/Wolf
We may have 1-2 more wins but we would also look like the same garbage with the same stupidity..
People seem to keep forgetting we were making dumb penalties and playing stupid in the last 2 years under Bill too….
No. Mayo is terrible, but let’s be real. This team would be a dumpster fire regardless of the head coach. Besides Maye, Gonzalez and Henry, it’s a roster just completely devoid of talent across the board.
If BB had Maye (who I don’t think he’d have picked) and McConkey (who I think he would’ve), we would definitely be sniffing 6 or so wins
Bill would have never gone into the season with this roster to start with. And it is coaching you can see it in the veterans. Watch Jones get turned around and left by receivers. He didn’t forget how to play corner. It’s coaching.
Not sure what the record would be but it would definitely be an improvement from the current record. The line would be at least a little improved and defense would be much better. Bill knew how to make players accountable and get more out of them. When Mayo took the reins I was hoping that he learned that from Bill at least but apparently not.
Belichick would at the bare minimum make in game adjustments. Mayo just keeps banging his head against the wall with the playcalling. It doesn’t work, but he keeps calling the same stupid plays
I mean we definitely win the majority of the close games we lost if we have a halfway decent coach.
Assuming Bill drafted Maye and planned to start him from the beginning, yes. Easily. The regression of the defense cannot be ignored.
They’d at least have 2 more wins, most likely. 6 wins at this point is reasonable for sure. There are a few games where they just got blasted and Belichick wouldn’t be enough to flip every 1-score game, he lost his share of those, too, but there’s no way the defense plays so poorly and that definitely flips some games to wins.
Basically, what if last year’s team had Maye? They definitely flirt with .500 but be 2-3 games short of it.
The defense is a concern, but the offensive line being dog water *has* to impact it. Knowing the other side if the ball is 3 and out so damn often. It’d be easy to look up but I’m lazy, and a whiner, what does time of possion look like for the season?
If the main staff was Belichick McDaniels and S. Belichick we would be fighting Denver/cinci/indy for a wildcard spot. Gonzo would be getting discussed as a potential best cb in the league and our WRs would still be laughed at
Of course they’d be better with Belichick and have won more games. Not even a question. One of the reasons this defense stinks is they’re trying to run Belichick’s defense, but without Bill.
We have not been able to resign a player to a second contract drafted since 2016 or 2018 I don’t remember the year? That leaves us at a huge talent gap with the rest of the league. It’s painful to watch much more
Plus our top drafted receivers hurt more than anything
No shot the defense is this bad with BB. We’d def win a few more games.
I mean we have 3 wins and lost 6 games by 1 score or less. And we have largely the same roster as last year, minus Judon but with an actual QB.
I don’t see how this is that controversial.
The only thing working against that is BB prob wasn’t taking Maye with the way he talked about him lol
8 is a stretch but i think 6 would be possible.
Obviously Mayo`s team did not show anything positive in any aspect of the game. Maye and Gonzalez been good, but thats on players
6-8 wins might be a stretch but they would definitely have more wins overall, and everything would probably look better.
we also have to remember Bill probably drafts differently. Does he take maye? Does he take polk? who knows.
So they’re 6-11 then what? Draft in the teens and people calling for him to be fired
Why does it have to be this or that? It’s both. The coaching sucks so the players suck. That also doesn’t mean that with Belichick, guys like Polk would be putting up Randy Moss numbers.
It’s the exact same situation when people argue whether it was Brady or Belichick who made the dynasty. It was both.
If we were 6 win team people here would be bitching and moaning about missing the playoffs *and* our draft position.
6 wins should be the minimum for any coach, any competent coach can get at least 6 wins.