What Will The Jays Do At The Winter Meetings?

What Will The Jays Do At The Winter Meetings?

Gate 14 podcast and it is winter meetings week a winter meetings week where things happen hopefully with our Blue Jays. How are we feeling? Couple days removed from the Cody Pon signing. Um how we feeling a excited for winter meetings. Hopefully we get a trade that we have no idea is coming because that’s the best part. Um maybe a reliever we get this week, but um fun that things kind of get kicked into gear across the league for one week of the offseason. So yeah, if you have nothing else to be excited for, this is the week that that kind of gets you up, gets you going. So I Yeah. And I mean, if you want to look at the signings uh or trades, Juan Sodto was traded two years ago or in the winter meetings. Um, you had Aaron Judge signed with the Yankees in the winter meetings. You had Show Otani on December. I don’t want to I don’t want to say the date cuz it’s a tough day for Blue Jays fans, but this week Show Otani signed with the Dodgers. So, there are tons of things that will be happening. And I mean hopefully it involves the Jays, but I do feel like the Kyle Tucker market or maybe even a Schwarber or something along those lines will get solved this week in terms of guys signing. Yeah, Schwarber is interesting because he’s kind of got a I don’t know if his market gets set after the Tucker because they’re so they’re such different players. Yeah. Um but yeah, what they’ll I think they’ll be the first domino to fall one or the other. Uh I think Bo will go after that probably to see uh unless it’s with just with the Jays. Yeah. To see what’s what’s next. But again, yeah, it’s we got some funny trades going on here. Um the Mariners got a head start on the uh on the funny I wouldn’t even say funny, just like a a classic trade that people are going to like. A uh it’s going to be like the Swany one kind of. Exactly. Yeah. You’re going to like the young uh Yeah. Just because you’re trading for a reliever, right? Yeah. Harry Ford clearly wasn’t good enough to to like and you know who Carver pretty good player in front of him in Cal Raleigh so gonna be tough to find and you and you get a lefty who’s like top of the league in ground ball percentage and throws pretty hard. It’s like I thought that was a pretty good deal for what you kind of needed instead of uh signing a guy. There’s just not a very big path to playing time for Harry Ford. So yeah, you the the marine layer guys was funny. And he’s like, “Okay, are they going to get traded one for one for Bryson or Alec Bow?” He thought Harry Ford would be that. Well, that’s what they said the day. Yeah, there was there was never value to that extent with Harry Ford. I don’t think I think people saw obviously the Mariners didn’t like him that much. And it’s like they traded him for a [ __ ] reliever. Yes, they traded him for a reliever. And he is a pretty bad defensive catcher, I’m pretty sure, as well, right? Like his metrics aren’t really that good. Not sure. I got no Yeah. Um but yeah, speaking about transactions, we have a a big transaction involving us uh yesterday. Um Alex Erland Broxen Berios broke up. Of I couldn’t sleep, man. I was sick thinking about it. Love is [ __ ] dead, man. What can we believe in if we can’t believe in love? Yeah, love is [ __ ] dead. My favorite Tik Tok couple broke up. So, you hate to see it. But no, serious the serious one. Yo Rodriguez DFAD um and then no one picked him up. Yes. Well, we missed like a whole thing of him being DF8 originally and then clearing, but no. Yeah, just no one announced that. It’s so funny that the team didn’t announce. Like, how do you have again a pretty good pitcher? Like, he’s not awful. He’s a great He was pretty good. I mean, the second half of the season last year, he had it was a disaster class. But we’ll always have the remember when he had the highest wins probability added on the Blue Jays at one point. Yeah, he had a good Canada Day start. I remember tweeting that it’s ridiculous that Yariel’s about to get a loss. Uh yeah, from his candidate start two years ago. Yeah. But everyone else, no one even wanted to take a chance on him. He just That’s what I’m saying. Like I texted BNS about it. Um cuz he was like, “Yeah, this was like strange.” like no one picked him up, but he said there’s probably going to be like a trade hopefully maybe a trade involved where the Jays eat some of the money, another team picks him up cuz clearly they don’t want anything to do with Yel Rodriguez, right? Yeah. If you wanted him on the team, you would have just kept him there. Yeah, exact like I mean cuz they had they had the roster spot. Um they had they had they had two roster spots open. Yeah. Did Pon was pawns one of those roster spots? Oh, sorry. No, they had one roster spot open. Yeah. So again, and if you make a trade, obviously um you have to clear it that way. But odd timing I thought um with nothing immediately happened because you had the one roster spot, but it had obviously happened days before if he had cleared and they they just didn’t I just don’t know how no one knew. H how did no one knew Yario Rodriguez was on waiverss? Like how was that never public knowledge? It’s crazy. Like an actual I know pretty good pitcher too. Like he’s not bad. No, but at least like a 40man spot for a guy like you get they they say everyone when it happens usually. Yeah. I I did think the timing was very odd and kind of un like and then they only brought it up because Francis Romero tweeted it and then everyone else on the Jays was like, “Oh, this actually did happen.” Yeah, maybe it slipped through the cracks and transactions logs but people social media will post something like that though like they’ll be like we have outrighted like they posted it after the Francis thing. Yes. And it it’s there’s people on Twitter enough that look at the transaction logs on MLB.com like that would that would have come up first. So I I’ll take a look. But yeah, just thought all that happening was weird. And um do I think the actual move was weird? No, probably not. Like you you bump up all those guys who were fringe people like like the Braden Fischers who had pitched well. Yeah. Uh like a Nance maybe that was Well, that’s different. Like Gage could be a good like bullpen guy too. You don’t want him You don’t You don’t want him to do that now. Yeah, I guess that’s fair. But he the thing I love about Gage is is he throws [ __ ] fuzz and strikes people out which it’s an awesome awesome like pairing for we just we just paid a guy 200 million to do that too. Like Gage does not want to be moved to the bullpen. Yeah. Like for his career outlook for it to go you want. So who who do you think pairs the best as a reliever? Probably Ricky T. Yeah, because he can’t he can’t stay healthy for his life right now, right? Like he was he he’s the most obvious turn to a reliever, too. But and just be nasty out of the pen, too. Like just be nasty. You need the depth of starting pitchers at some point, too. Like he can’t you can’t as much as I am this guy and I love the thought of turning relievers and stretching them out. Um you do need some depth starters. That’s you need Yeah, we we’ve been lucky with how healthy the rotation has been for years. And again, you you do need the depth at some point, too. You can’t just turn everyone to a reliever. Um, yeah. So, it was interesting the way the Ariel thing, he was so bad in the second half. He lost everything. He was down 3 miles an hour. What it was. So, yeah, it was a lot. Move was shocking. He makes more money than most relievers that put up those numbers. So, yeah, he’s not out of the organization yet. When he got when I heard he got DF8, I thought he’d be gone for sure. Yeah, for sure. I thought a team would easily take a flyer on him. a team that doesn’t spend much that wants to show like we’re we’re trying to win or something along those lines where they want to raise their salary cap or their uh salary. But um I couldn’t believe it. I couldn’t believe it in terms of like no team picked them up and we’re going to have an awesome if still if they don’t trade him it’s going to be a very strange spring training. Yario Rodriguez Yario Rodriguez is going to be battling for a spot when he’s been on the team for the past two years. Yeah, I mean, hey, he’s uh Ross is keeping them hungry in the pen. Yeah, he he’s uh he’s not giving handouts right now. So, I think there’s got to be a corresponding move, man. I really do. I think they got something in the works. Again, I don’t know if it’s for a reliever. And I’d like to call my shot and say this. I think it’s a 0% chance Toronto Blue Jays even entertain or sign Edwin Diaz. I think that’s just not happening. Yeah. I mean, they they paid the money for Jeff Hoffman this year and it didn’t like totally go their way, right? Yeah. You’d rather you’d rather hit on the the middle guys. Absolutely. I as it’s gone on as like you spend the big money on the bats and and then you just sign like guys like a guy we’ve been piping or pumping this guy’s tires the entire pot entire off seasonason. Like you signed a Brad Keller, a guy with high ceilings. I don’t think he’s he’s he’s not Edwin obviously, but he’s still going to be decently expensive. I think Keller, I don’t think so, man. I really don’t think it’ll be that crazy. I don’t think the Mar like maybe I’m wrong. I don’t know. But um Edwin Diaz is probably just going to be a Met, right? Like I mean, who the [ __ ] are we kidding here? Well, I mean, they just did or a Dodger. But are the are the Dodgers willing to pay another guy tons of money when you had Tanner Scott who you paid tons of money and sucked? Yeah, that it doesn’t make that much sense, right? And that and Keller is just a a one-year massive season kind of like that was Jeff Hoffman the year before, right? He you he cashed in on on a great season. Um they have three years 36 million is Keller’s um 12th birth. Yeah. Like you can you can you could pay a guy that and not have to worry though about all right now we’re kind of [ __ ] with the bat that we need to sign, right? Like 336 is nothing crazy. True. But the way they go about relievers is cuz what what’s Hoffman? Hoffman’s a lot. He was three he was uh three years 33. Oh, so he’s going to be more than Hoffman. Yeah. So I mean that’s just Yeah. Never mind then. Wow. Wow, I didn’t know it was going to be that much. Dude, you know how much it sucks to probably be a reliever? Holy [ __ ] man. You get It’s honestly a thankless job. First of all, everyone hates you no matter what. And you don’t get paid at all. No. Like, you get absolutely screwed in the market because every team collectively agrees that we’re not going to pay relievers. Correct. Yeah. That’s the one thing they keep down is is paying the relievers. And whenever someone does it, everyone around the league says, “Oh, that’s that’s a silly thing to do.” Oh, yeah. They pretend they act like it’s the dumbest thing that’s ever happened. Yeah. It’s the It’s the running backs thing in the in the NFL. You could pay the good ones, obviously, but yeah, when you get one of those bad contracts, no, no one around the league likes that at all. But, um, yeah, I see I think that’s mid-tier guys. I I think Keller Okay, who who’s a mid-tier guy then? if like Oh, that’s a good one. Okay, I can go to some of the free agents here. MLB Sparrack, I’m just using that every single day. I didn’t have like some of my favorite guys. Do you think they need a lefty? Yeah, probably. I mean, you just literally have Lowour in the Pad and Flu Hardy. But honestly, Lowour and Flu Hardy are pretty serviceable. And Brain Fischer splits against lefties are pretty good as well. So, it’s not like you need a lefty in the bullpen, right? You got You got Little, too. And Yeah, Little. Sorry, I forgot about Little. You got Little as well. Yeah, there’s I don’t know who who my guy would be. Like, you have some some interesting ones like like a Gregory Sodto. He’s a free agent. Uh that name doesn’t attract. I’m not like I But that’s the mid-tier guys you’re going to get, John. Like, they’re they’re not going to be You think Gregory Sto’s good? I have no idea what he did this year. I mean, he was a Blue Jay at the trade deadline, remember? But like, would you Yeah, he was. Like, would you would you take a look at Sir Anthony again? I would I would take a flyer on Chad Green again. I know Chad Green’s unemployed. Is Chad Green still unemployed or did a team pick him up? Yeah, Chad Green’s probably unemployed. That sucks. You don’t like that at all? Yeah, I mean, I would love to I’d love to take a flyer on Chad Green. It would be hilar. It would, you know what it would remind me of, Avery? It would remind me of when the Toronto Blue Jays kept dfing and picking up Bradley Zimmer. Remember that? That was sick. That was awesome. I remember I was driving my car. I got notification the Jays have claimed Bradley Zimmer off waiverss from the Phillies. Um, but yeah, I honestly don’t know what you do in terms of like reliever help because you kind of do have some pretty good relievers in that in the in that bullpen right now, right? Like at some point you got to expect like a Jeff Hoffman bounce back. Something in the middle of what he was in the playoffs, like a 170 RA and the season, a little bit more consistency, something in the middle. I think Braden Fischer is awesome. I love Braden Fischer. He was unbelievable. I’m kind of rocking with like a Caleb Theelbar type. He was on the Cubs. Lefty. He was the Cubs Twins. Um those are some names that I like. Like if you want to go with the lefty, I just don’t know what they’re trying to do. I don’t know what their next move is, man. Got no clue. Yeah, I have no idea. But by the way, uh Ponch Cody Pon, uh I had a random text message just out of the blue from Nick Lolo. He’s like, “Johnny, what’s up, man? Um, I’m really good friends with Cody.” He’s like, “Uh, like one of my best friends. You need him on the pod. He’s the man.” And I was like, “Am I on punct right now?” Like Nick Lola was unsolicited texting me this right now. I was like, “Yeah, we’ll get him on.” He said, “Yeah, once once he’s signed, I’ll put put us in a group chat and we’ll uh we’ll get Cody on.” So, that’ll be cool. I maybe we’ll be the Yeah, I guess we’ll technically we’ll be the first Blue Jays podcast to have access to Cody Pon. Hopefully. We got to make sure. breaking barriers. But um speaking about how how funny is it how mad some people get they don’t get invited to the winter meetings. Like the winter meetings are pathetic. No disrespect. Like what do you even do there Avery? Besides like you get to talk to the GMs. Sure, but like the GMs aren’t going to be giving like us podcasters really anything. Probably Ross the boss would give us some give us some little tidbits. But is there anything more overrated than actually attending the winter meetings? I don’t think there is. All the new like unless you’re a writer. Sure. But like I’m see like Kurabus didn’t get invited. I mean that’s kind of dumb because he does do tons for the game of baseball. But be network he does stuff for too. Yeah. Exactly. But um it just I don’t really see a per like a reason to get angry about it. And some of the people that are there are [ __ ] awful. Like just you have the Wilers of the world at this event. You have like do you want to hang out with those people? Like BNS Keegan and Robert Murray are my guys or our guys, but like who do you re I mean who do you really care for there? You know I you talk to the GM of the Jay’s for like five seconds. Like what is he going to [ __ ] tell us? It’s you just need to do the the hits in the hotel, John. Like that’s why you’re there when these things happen. So you you can be the first people on it. I might make the green screen of this podcast the background of of me the winter meetings picture. A little late to do that. Like we’re there. Um but yeah, I did tweet today that I was there and people actually fell for it even though the sign said 2023 Nashville. Three Nashville. Yeah, I mean I saw that immediately. But um yeah, I do you think we get a big move this winter meetings? I mean, it’s happened every year, man. When do they fully when do they actually start? Is it tomorrow? I I have no idea. I have no idea. Is there actual meetings going on? Oh yeah, rule five. Rule five happens. Um yeah, is there is there like a schedule? Open Sunday and it will be four days. Okay. What? What are the meetings they’re having? I have no idea. Okay, dude. I I genuinely have no idea, dude. What What do they like is Ross the boss having dinner with Brelo? Like what? Or is it just like one of those glorified work trip events where you just get blackout drunk with your co-workers? Like what do you do at the winter meetings? It’s kind of like a MLB Christmas party if you think about it. Yeah, put them up in a hotel. Great point. But the the shitty thing is you have these, no disrespect, some of these loser MLB reporters, they’re crashing your Christmas party. You kind of hate it. It’s kind of like the combine for the NFL when they all uh they all go out for dinner after it, you know? Like I would love to ask Ross the Boss what is the winter meetings? Like I really would I I don’t know what the purpose of it is. It could probably be just a Zoom meeting. Um but this could be an email. This could be an email. I guess you just talk to like if you want to do you, for example, let’s say Ross wants to make a trade with like the Dbacks. Does he just go to the Debback’s hotel room and just chat? Like what what’s the purpose of it? Like do you have to make appointments? I I I don’t get it because a lot of this stuff still probably happens over the phone no matter what. Like trade proposals, um finalizing deals, like probably happens over the phone majority of the time anyways. But can you call your shot on a big deal that’s going to be made at the winter meetings? Kyle Schwarber signs with the Reds. Okay. I think Scubble Trade. Oh my A out of the blue. That would be crazy, dude. Yeah. I saw Bob was a No, not Bob Costus. Who’s the guy that Buster only Buster only said on Just Baseball that a GM said that they think school’s going to get dealt this year? Oh [ __ ] Really? Yeah, man. It’s just do they think they can resign him? It’s like is the I mean they can they technically can resign him. You just pay him what he wants and what he deserves. But they said they were $100 million apart. Obviously not on the same year deal most likely. But they were $100 million apart. It’s are you going to win? Are you going to be good enough this year where it makes sense to have him and lose him for nothing? What they should do is if uh the Little Caesar’s owner I believe is the one that owns the Tigers, they should do like I don’t know if you see those card or shoe companies when they have the expose they do flip a coin. Tariq, you love that stuff. Tariq and the Tigers should say, “All right, we’re going to flip a coin. It’s either 450 or 350. Call your shot in the air and there you go.” But um I I honestly don’t know. Could you imagine being a fan of a team that clearly has the money? They own all of the teams in [ __ ] Detroit. And you can’t pay the best pitcher in baseball. This is the point that they were making on just baseball. Um they said B or Buster only said Tariq Scubble is probably 1-1 in terms of like pitchers that you maybe skins but you add to a big league team any team and they immediately become instantly better top five rotation whatever they instantly instantly become better. What would a package for Paul for Tariq school even look like though? That’s the thing cuz you have the quote unquote uncertainty of him resigning with the team after that like he did with the Yankees with with Sodto, but what do you like what what would you package for that? It would have to be a ton of top f like your entire top five prospects in your system easily. Yeah, close to something like that. maybe some major league readied guys, but like I look at the Tigers and they’re they’re still up and coming, right? Like you have they’re young and you’re and you’re going to have McGonagal who might make the team this year. You have Clark, you have all those years of team controls for those two guys who are going to be super young, right? And like why don’t you really start, you could do this, like this is my thinking of it. Why don’t you start like a second core? Like you have Green, you got Torque figured it out, right? Yeah. And you got these young kids coming up. Why don’t you try and like bolster it to to give this another shot? Obviously, it won’t be the best this year, but the next year, I think it makes tons of sense, Avery, and I think a trade partner that makes tons of sense for the Tigers would probably be the Mets, man. You have those starters that are big league ready but are also top prospects like the Jonah Tongs of the world, the what’s it? MLAN is that his name? Mlan. If I’m the Mets, I’m showing that package and then doing a trade and then immediately extending Tariq Scoo cuz the Mets window is not the future. It’s now, right? You have Lindor who’s aging. You have Sodo. If if you want to be I think it’s a good I think it’s a good spot, John. Actually, I like that. I think the Mets make tons of sense. And if I’m the Mets, [ __ ] them prospects. It’s goddamn Tariq Scubble. Yep. Like, for example, what are the odds that those starting pitchers that are in their farm system turn out to be anywhere [ __ ] near Tariq? And that’s the point I like to try to make. You you you trade for guys who are actually good, not projected to be good. And I think that’s what the Mets could do. And he would rock on the Mets. Yeah, I think that’s I think that’s a really good one. Um, like who else is it going to be? Like the Mariners low-key could could put some stuff together where they’d be good. Like they’ve got some good young prospects. Um, but yeah, I don’t I don’t mind that at all. I just think the Tigers have a chance of if McGonagal and Clark are as good as you think they’re going to be. Yeah. and they are good, then you can you got another shot at doing this. You can really bolster for years if you think you can’t get Scooble signed. Like that’s the big thing. You want you want Scooble if you can get him signed. But if you’re that far apart in your initial talks, then you’d be [ __ ] Like just try try it again. I know it would suck if any Tigers fans are listening to that. You don’t want to lose your two times Sai Young winner, but I think it’s a perfect perfect time to retool. think of there was a team who did like the O’s did it right when they did the Corbin Burns thing. Um to try and do it because it it will be it won’t be the massive package because you still have to get them signed. He’s only one year left so that’ll play it down a little bit but if you think you’re a you’re an 80 win team it’s it’s going to help you a lot in I mean it is scary because Theres Kubal did grow up in the Pacific Northwest right? Yeah. Well he went to Seattle right? Yeah. So, him being a him being a Mariners guy, that would suck for my Mariners hate agenda. I see the Red Sox and Marte kind of some things going on there potentially. Yeah, that would suck. But again, that if the Red Sox end up getting Marte Avery, then where else is Bo going to sign to? Cuz that was like the top suitor, right? It was the Red Sox and the Jays and the Dodgers. Who the [ __ ] is gonna pay Bo then if the Red Sox just make a trade for Catel Marte instead? I don’t know. I don’t know. I think Bo Bo would come back like shortterm maybe. Yeah. Short-term deal and be the next great second baseman like Bo honestly even too like we talked about it the next year free agent class is dog [ __ ] It’s he could kind of do what Bregman did, right? And be like, “Sure.” Like you did give Boier 40 million or it’d be a a three-year deal with opt outs and he can opt out in the first year like Bregman did and because the class is not great next year, he could if he’s good again, he could be the bell of next year’s class. And I think that’s not the worst idea in the world. But but that’s the way I think you could make Tucker and Bo work. If one of them’s I would guess it’s probably Bo is on the shorter term deal higher AAV opt out see what can happen. Yeah. What do you think what do you think happens to Bregman man? I mean we talked about on the last podcast it’s like I don’t know I completely forget sometimes that Alex Bregman who is a really really good player is just casually on the market. Yep. Yep. I just see the Red Sox make a ton of sense again, but like are the are the Pirates or not the Pirates, the Tigers back in that? Are like the Phillies could be an interesting one. They talk about getting rid of Bowman is awful, dude. He is so up and down though. He’s so up and down. Fair, but I Yeah, I don’t know. I’m reading this um Nessen article and Oh, I that’s not working. The teams that they list in this Nessen article are the Tigers, Phillies, Mariners. Mariners is kind of interesting spot for Bregman. Yeah. Well, they don’t they they’re losing Suarez, right? So, they don’t have a third baseman right now. Yeah. Like that’s an interesting one. Yankees Mets and Blue Jays as well as the Angels and Pirates, but they said winter meetings for him is going to uh to heat up. But it does feel a lot different than last year where he was one of the bigger free agents, right? It’s like where was and it’s uh like a decent year but in he’s like the third what would you list him as on the free agent market like fourth or fifth market guy? Yeah, I couldn’t even I think Bob Bashette would be ahead of him. Kyle Tucker obviously. Um stuff like that. I I I don’t see a world um I really don’t see a world where Bregman is not top five. I do think as I talked myself into Bo doing the Bregman thing could be a good thing for him. You think so? Cuz he cuz Bo’s I mean Bo had a weird year last year, good year this year, showed he can hit again, then got injured again at the end of the year. If he can get a really really high AEV on a one-year quote unquote prove it deal, I think he gets that done. I really do. Yeah, but sometimes you do you do want to cash in. You don’t want to have to have this hanging over you again. Like fair. Obviously, he would take seven years, but if if someone’s not going to give that to him, then it uh it’s going to be tough. Interested with Bo, man. Like super super interested. And and uh can you give the people a little background on that Japanese player that Jay’s were connected to? Oh, uh Kazuma Okamoto. He’s uh first base, third base. Okay. Think he think he’s a good defender. uh hits a ton of home runs. That was his thing, but not super high exit vos. He’s an interesting case. Um because I think as he was in Japan, he just hit a ton of home runs. He’s he’s a 96. So he’ll be he’ll be just under Yeah, he’ll be just under 30 when they start. But he’s So from 2021 from 2018 through 2023 he hit 30 more than 30 home runs every single year. Holy [ __ ] Uh 2024 he was 27 home runs and then last year he didn’t play a lot but he hit 15 homers in 69 games. He’s just he slugs high OBP for that league. Um yeah, it’s like 210 waiter runs created plus this year, but they have him projected at like 20 homers in 102 games for the the big leagues. Like a less than two win player, 110 way to run great plus, but he’s a right-handed bat, first base, third base. I thought the Yankees would be his I think the Mariners. It’s true. That’s another good one that if you play him at third base, I just don’t know how good the third base defense is. So that’s the one that is interesting. It’s a name that it kind of fits what the Jays could do um based on I would love to see the splits. I need to get into that as where you want to play him when if you can move this thing around so much where you have him playing third base against lefties like is that his big thing and then Ernie can play second and Jimenez is playing short. I don’t know what uh Okamoto’s thing is. YJ said max exit vo this year was 108. Um, I mean that’s not very high at all. So, some reason to worry. And was he the one where they talked about 95 plus that the numbers went down? Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. You don’t see a lot of that. So, I just like I think the the most certain things you could say of signing guys from Japan is is the pitchers are really good. The hitters are more question marks. Yeah. Well, you Yeah, you can see the data in velocity and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. You can know you can compare it to pitches here and how it plays here. The hitters is kind of I mean, everyone thought Masa uh what was the guy’s name? Um the guy on the Red Sox. Yoshida. Everyone thought Yosha was going to be good. That dude is ass cheeks. He sucks. He was good when he played. I thought the numbers were okay. I don’t think I mean his Red Sox career has been way worse than people expected it to be to say the least. He has been awful. I mean they wanted to get rid of him but if you compare to say a Suzuki who was 26 leaving there he was like a 639 slug. I love Sey Suzuki dude. He’s awesome. I tried to He’s so [ __ ] awesome. Yep. And the slug is a lot different. Yeah. It’s there’s qu they’re total question marks. It’s like are you taking the chance? They have a chance to be cheaper because they are question marks to everyone in the league. But yeah, you’re right. It’s a lot based on um the type of pitcher they are facing. Yeah. Way more than the other way around because you can look at pitch velocity when you get those. I I felt like it could be a it could be a fit because you had that Ty France on the roster to end the year and backup first baseman and a guy who can play third base is I think it can fit with what they are doing as but what what it would be a lot of money for just a platoon guy though. No, I don’t know what his um what they predicted for Okamoto’s contract prediction because I don’t think it would be crazy crazy. Four years, 64 million. Okay. It’s not that crazy. I guess I think he’s a Mariner. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Um, but next thing that we I did want to talk about though, we didn’t talk about on the last pod because it happened in the middle of last week. Kyle Tucker visited the uh Toronto Blue Jays facility. Yeah, that was the biggest non-story we’ve had of I know. It’s like because he’s from Tampa, I’m pretty sure that’s where he is in the office. Yeah, he lives in Tampa. Yeah. So, it’s like, okay, I’m talking to you guys. I can just show up for a couple minutes and check it out. Like, I’m I might as well do it. I’m here. A lot different than Otani visiting the complex. Yeah. Otani flying in on a PJ to get to Dun Eden. Like, yes, it’s a lot different. But I will say at least it shows there’s interest from his side on Yeah, because there was that thing going on where everyone said the interest with Tucker isn’t real, right? It’s you should downplay the interest in Kyle Tucker because it’s not that serious. But him showing up there shows there’s a little more it’s a lot more serious than you expect. Yeah. Yes. Like it’s actually going on. Like he met the parents, you know? I think if it was just a throwaway, he wouldn’t show up. I mean, all I’m hoping for is we don’t get another on anything where Kyle Tucker just owns ton a ton of Blue Jays gift pack and we don’t get it back. Um, but I would love I would love to know what Ross the Boss gave him. Like, did Ross the Boss give him a QZip, a hoodie, um, a hat? Like, what did Ross Atkins give Kyle Tucker on this recruiting trip? I guess you can technically say it is. um that hopefully persuaded him because we did hear about it though. Um a guy who’s our good friend Sam had a great meeting with Cody Pon or no Dylan CE with Pete Walker as well and they persuaded kind of persuaded him like gave him a good game plan on what they see from him and what the changes they can make to make him elite. So, I wonder I I don’t think Pop was there because Popkins is on a vacation with his wife, by the way, or his fiance, by the way. Congratulations, David Popkins, on getting engaged yesterday. Um, that’s awesome. But, um, yeah, I really don’t know. Do you think it was just Do you think even Shides was there? I doubt that, too. He’s a Florida guy, right? So, he’s he’s probably he would show up for that one. Yeah. Yeah. Someone just uh I mean, maybe Miles Straw was there. Mile was in Florida. I mean, that would be the best way to do it. Someone he’s actual buddies with. Yeah. He’s comfortable with. And I I am so I’ve been arguing Avery the past week with people that are like, “Oh, I’d rather have Bo. Bo’s a better hitter.” I’m sorry, man. Like, Kyle Tucker’s down year weighted runs created plus-wise is literally Bo Bashett’s careerhigh WRC plus. And this isn’t a slight on Bo, man. like they’re both both awesome players, this shouldn’t be Bo against Kyle Tucker. But if you’re talking about well all-around players, Kyle Tucker is the better option and makes your team better. That’s just what it is. That’s the harsh reality of it. Bob Bashett is awesome. Great stats, runner scoring position, which unfortunately are just a random stat no matter how you look at it. But um it just it’s to the point now where it’s like we have to talk people into a top 15 player in the sport and Kyle Tucker. It’s like what the [ __ ] are we doing? He’s awesome. And I don’t know if you have numbers there pull up in front of you Avery about Kyle Tucker, but the dude is unbelievable. Yep. Kyle Tucker’s a great great hitter. And I I don’t know we’re getting some regression defensively, but like the last since 2021, 4.9 wins by replacement, 4.9, 4.9, 4.2 in 78 games, and 4.5 with a broken hand in half of the games. Um, he’s a better he’s just a better hitter than bro. It’s just like I I I know people have this what what would be the word like they’re scared of change or they hate change. Sure. Like we always had visions of Bo and Vlatty playing together forever. I still do have visions of that. But if it gets to the end of the day where you have to pick one gun to my head, it’s going to be Kyle Tucker. He solidifies the two-hole for the Toronto Blue Jays, which is a lefty bat that’s needed to hit in front of Vlatty that gets on. He walks a [ __ ] ton. This is a no-brainer in terms of like guys I want like guys I’d prefer and like I know there’s a potential world and I hope it’s real that I see it Kyle Tucker and Bo in the offseason. I mean that would be ridiculous. I don’t know if the Toronto Blue Jays are going to spend that much. But I will give the opposite side of that argument, Avery, because I know people are going to comment like there’s no way the Toronto Blue Jays spend on Bo and Kyle Tucker and increase how much they spend to like 400 million this offseason. I’ll push back on that. If they make those moves next year, they can kind of sit on their hands and not do anything in a week free agent class, right? Like if you splurge this, it’s like when it’s like when you get a allowance to go to the mall from your like mom or something when you’re a kid. You don’t spend all that money, you get some for later. You spend it all, you don’t you don’t have some for later. If you spend all the money you have this off season and next season now, I’m completely fine with it because those are two instantly good players that make your team significantly better being put on the roster. you extended you got Dylan C signed for seven years who’s a really good like Chad Inseater who has potential to be really good Cody Pon if you make all your moves this offseason and none next year I think this fan base is completely fine with it I really do because there’s no one that moves the needle that much next year like VO maybe I it seems insane for the thought to be able to get both done like I I can’t imagine that happening but as it goes on I’m just if they really are about it, which they should be and they’ve shown with the seas thing I think they can they can make it happen too like yes it is going to be tough the springer son all of that it doesn’t seem to fit in my mind but you lose a bunch of people next year money coming off the books you can’t expect them back if you let them get to free agency George Fer will not be coming back no probably Not like unless unless it’s super reasonable or you can find a way to make him unless he literally just says I don’t want to play anywhere else. Correct. Like you but then you have that’s why the Santandere thing is maybe he’s just the natural replacement to DH4 after that. I know the the year he had this year was so bad where people would just like it to be gone. And I don’t know, you could do the salary dump and make it happen. Sure. But I’m not expecting those things to totally happen. Same with Bios. Like you could do the salary dump. could have him gone, but again, I’m I’m expecting them to kind of be here. I just think next year, yeah, you don’t think about it. If you can make these things happen, you make them happen now. And it’s you give Tucker the big deal that he’s asking for and you get Bo Hyav opt out to try and make that happen. Will both say yes? I have no idea. There’s a chance he he’s not about it, but I think Tucker is the better player. Wins per per million. Yeah, it’s it’s Tucker over Bo most likely. And I don’t know why that’s even a discussion. Like the stats. I was arguing with people. They’re like, uh, Bo’s clutchness. Okay. Like that’s such he is clutch, but it’s like a random stat that like I’m sure there was guys in Major League Baseball last year that that were clutch as well that are not that great baseball players if you if you go like Bo Bashette is awesome. But at the end of the day, Kyle Tucker projects better and it’s more valuable to a team. It’s not really a hot take. No, it’s not a hot take. But yeah, again, I am completely fine if they go any direction. Bo or Kyle Tucker, it’s a win-win because those are both awesome players. But I’m thinking both. You pay Kyle Tucker the 400 million he wants, you defer 50, 100 million 15, 20 years down the road and that AAV for the Toronto Blue Jays isn’t that cra for him is not that crazy. Yeah. I mean, I want us to be the the East Coast Dodgers. Let’s just let’s just let’s just [ __ ] do it, dude. Do you know how Tony makes two million a year? Isn’t that crazy? It’s deferred so long, right? Deferred for so long. He’s making $2 million a year. defer the [ __ ] out of the Kyle Tucker contract and give Bo whatever he wants and we’re laughing. Could you imagine this lineup with Kyle Tucker and Bo Bashette? It would be [ __ ] crazy, Avery. Cuz you got Let’s Let’s dream about this for a second. Springer lead off, right? Yep. Tucker second. Y Vlatty third. Yep. Bo four. Yep. We should just go around the diamond. Just go around the diamond. Kirk catching. Kirk catching. Jimenez at short. Yep. Bo at second. Yep. Ernie at third. Ernie Barger. Yeah. Ernie Barger. Platoon at third. Yeah. Then you got Tucker in right. Right. Yep. Springer. No. Vo in center and then Santandere whatever in left. It’s a pretty good I mean that lineup is pretty [ __ ] good, man. Yeah, it’s insane. It’s really good. Like, does that lineup instantly make them the favorites in the AL? It probably, just odds wise. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be hard. It’ probably be plus 600 to win the AL. Yeah. I’m not sure. It would be It would be good just because they they come off a year where they did win the league and then they seemingly got better. So, yeah, they would definitely be the favorite. They’re plus 700 right. The Yankees are plus 330 right now. Mariners plus 550. They love the the sports books love the Yankees, man. The oddsmakers love them. It’s because if the Yankees are actually good. Like everyone bets the Yankees and if they give them [ __ ] odds and they’re actually good, they’re going to lose a ton of money. That’s why they usually do that. So yeah, I think they would be Yeah. Like plus 400. The Yankees would be be plus 550. Like it would move a little bit. Yeah. Um that way, but it would be a clear upgrade for them going into the next season. Yeah. I just I I I could you imagine after all the off seasons that we have had hell, right? You know, like the plane, the sodto, like Jays were close on sodo, went on sodo. Could you imagine we finally just go [ __ ] it mode and get two massive bats in the free agents class? I’d be so pumped. Like it would make it all worth it. all the loss, all the the Roki want, like it would make it all worth it getting two guys that were highly valued by tons of teams. Like everyone wants Bo, right? I mean I mean I guess the Red Sox Dodgers who are good teams want Bo and the Yankees want him. Everyone wants Tucker, you know? It’s like that’s how you make the team better. But I keep forgetting the Phillies are a decent spot for Tucker, too. You think so? Yeah, I think I keep forgetting Costanos is there as well. Yeah, they want to get off the game. Oh, they want they want his ass sent to Guantanamo Bay, brother. Yeah, that’s the team I always forget about. Like the Mets, I just don’t think you could take on that again. Especially if you’re like in on Scubble, right? And that’s the next money you want to pay. But here’s the thing though, Avery. If the Toronto Blue Jays do end up getting both, do you are you okay with them just not getting a bullpen arm, which is an area they need? I think that’s when you trade for like this like a bar like trade a barger maybe or more like a unfortunately like a Lopes who who doesn’t really have the path to playing time with Kyle Tucker there. Yeah, that’s the shitty thing about the Lopes thing. Like obviously you want Kyle Tucker but um if he gets signed here Lopes I mean I don’t know what you do with Lopes. There’s no there’s not a big path to playing time at all because yeah, you don’t really think he can defend center field, right? Like they didn’t they didn’t do that after the spring training experiment and like yeah the VO thing you got a really good defender in center and his backup to hit a lefty if you need it is Miles Straw who’s really really good in center. I just I don’t see a path to playing time unfortunately. But that’s when you trade for a a project reliever most likely to see if you can you can get something out of that. Like that would be the the way they hit the reliever market I would think. Um there’s a so there’s a lot of this Addison Barger trade stuff talk going on right now and I want to bring up just a scenario or something that I thought about and we traded a kind of similar player who did exactly what Barger did in Spencer Horwitz the year before there the home runs. Well I mean against righties like Horwitz was 12. Yeah Barger was 20, right? Like the slug was pretty much the same against righties. They were both bad against lefties. Like as Addison Barger is right now is a platoon bat and things can change obviously. That’s just the unfortunate part of it though, right? A can’t hit lefties. Yeah. Not yet. I’m I’d be happy for that to change, but then we do need to value him as he is, right? Like a he’s a smoke righties is like the bat speed is the thing that you’re dreaming on and everyone’s in love with Bat Speed being the big carrier for a ton of good things. So he is different than Horitz that way. That is a that is a big fact because the bat speed was like top of the league for Barger and it was like lower 20th percentile for Barger uh for Horwitz. But yeah, the same the numbers are very very similar when it comes to the actual counting stats between Barger and Horowitz, but I mean you get the better barrel number, swing speed, all that for um Addison Barger. So the the thought of him being moved isn’t I don’t think it’s as crazy as some fans would want to say, right? Like it’s kind of positionless because I thought he he got a lot better at third base as the year went on. So I would I would say that. Um I think he gets you a ton in a trade though. As you should like the bat speed’s insane and people love he’s a darling as they call him and to Yeah. to make that happen. Like the bat speed, hard hit percentage, average exavo is great for him. Like that is the thing, the main difference between him and Horwitz. Like hard hit, bat speed, absolutely a lot different. But if you want to go against righty’s um so I took Horizwitz’s 2024 against righties, he was an 864 ops. Um Horwitz was and Barger against righties this year 788 OPS. Really? Yeah. So it’s not I know you want to project things differently with barger because the bat speed’s so high. Yeah. But like just off the numbers, it’s not that crazy difference as to get rid of Horitz because we thought Horitz could be here for a while and that was like a good move. But he had a good year last year with the Pirates. I think he had eight something OPS. Yeah. It’s just like when you only hit one hand, it’s kind of hard to project and I don’t know if you wanna because I saw some people saying like you need to extend him. We just don’t know what he is. And if he’s that platoon, you can’t can’t you look kind of dumb if you extend a platoon guy, right? Yeah. It’s like if he can’t find a way to hit the left, you’re going to face more righties than lefties. Obviously. Sure. If he just can’t hit one side, that’s that’s kind of tough. So, yeah, I do hope Barger, if he’s around, takes the next step against lefties. And that’s the thing because it’s it’s great to dream on the how hard he hits baseballs and the way he plays the game hard and the arm like sick. Um, absolutely. But I just don’t think it’s that insanely different from from the Horwitz move on last year. Like if if they do think they can find a way and I don’t know if the Horiz thing even worked, right? Like you you got Jimenez and you’re going to take him for his defense, but you need to get other better hitters around him because the bat wasn’t good for Yeah. Jimenez. So I would say the Jimenez move was after year one. I’d say it’s a is a lose-lose kind of because the the Guardians traded for a guy that will never play again. Prison. Like I I don’t know. I really don’t know how to describe the move to be honest yet. Yeah. Strange one. Great defense though. So like I think Barger would feast in one of the central divisions. Like he’d be Oh my god, he would [ __ ] He’d be so good. He’s a great player. I think he’s really really good. Uh but I think if the price is right though, Avery, you do trade bar though. I think they’d have those conversations like they’re they’re saying the same things we are. Um are you going to get the K percentage down? Is the approach going to get better? I thought it got because there was some instances last year that approach was awful, Avery. Well, it went there was a weird spurt in the middle of the year where I we just like looked like we lost him a little bit. He didn’t like he had a plan like he was just swinging it. Yeah. he like saved this team through the middle of the season when he he really did when he’s hitting all those home runs. He’s super super valuable. Um so I don’t think he’s as I know people don’t think he’s untouchable, but I think there’s a case where like if you find the right guy like it it could happen. So for sure I I want to see him take the next step. He’s still young. Um he’s 26. He just turned 26. So like wow, you’ve still got the prime of of his career coming up. So, if you think he’s that good, you think he can hit the lefties, he could figure that out, then you’re probably not moving him. If you think he can defend at third, but again, like this is super cheap platoon at third base. Like, if you have Ernie and Barger, it’s a great platoon to have that happen. I don’t I don’t totally want to move off of that. Um, so I think that’s Yeah, if you’re paying all these guys top end money, you need some of that help. And a barger Ernie at third base is going to be that. And I think you’re set up fantastically if you have them at third base for the season. Yeah, I agree. Um I just Yeah, I I I don’t think Addison Barger, like you mentioned, is as is as untouchable as people think. They fell in love with the run the Jays had and he was a big part of it. But um if you can drastically improve some aspect of of your which is pitching, which is pitching for the Blue Jays, obviously um you do it. So I don’t know. I I really don’t know, but I think there’s like a 1% chance Addison Barger get dealt probably. You think that low? I don’t think I I don’t see it to be honest. Especially if the Jays are going to be spending money like you mentioned. Yeah. They’re I don’t see a world they trade their low hit market guys. I really don’t. If you need to make the upgrade in the pen or something like that, like that’s that’s the type of guy they would kind of float, right? Still tons of team control. You have the options. I mean, yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how they do it, but he’s probably because he’s the opposite of the Santandere and Bereos because he costs nothing. Yeah. He’s he’s like their best trade piece they kind of have. Yeah. He’s probably their most valuable. Yeah. Yeah. So, I I think teams would be would be calling on him for sure. Yeah. I agree. All right, John, you want to do some listener questions? Yeah. Um, actually went decently long. I thought we had nothing to talk about and then that changed which is always good. But winter meetings hopefully uh like you say every time hopefully midweek pod would be a shame if we get a midweek pod again. Ross has done it every week the past two weeks. Yep. Uh Glenn Glenn is just he wants both more than And you know what? I I’m not going to fault Glenjamin for wanting Tucker and Bo because I do too. Okay. Ben has a good question because you do need to talk about the other side of this. If worse comes to worse, they miss out on both Bushette and Tucker. What is the bounce back? Holy [ __ ] I don’t even want to think about that. And I don’t think I don’t even think there’s a world that happens personally. But you got you gotta for sure. Huh? I will come up next week with a plan without Bashette and Tucker. I will Would it be a CJ Abrams the second? Maybe. Maybe. What would it be? You know, I I I really don’t know what what it would be. That would be [ __ ] That would suck. Yes, that might be worse than missing out on the Otani and Sodtos if you get none. You have two chances at players. You get none. Yeah, that would be Holy [ __ ] I don’t even want to think about that. That sucks. Yeah. Uh what would a Cade Smith trade look like? Since we do a lot of trades with Cleveland, I like him a lot more than fair. I mean, yeah, you’d like Cade Smith more than Fairbanks. That makes a lot of sense. I don’t think they’re moving K. There’s no chance. That team is poor as [ __ ] and they don’t like spending money and that’s an area where they don’t have to spend money now. Yeah, I I think like they just lost Emanuel Claw. They kind of need Cade Smith. They need him in a big way. Yes, they really do need him in a big uh Chris asked, “How far away are the stars? I 10,000 kilometers. Okay. I don’t know. I have no [ __ ] clue either. I actually have no idea. Let’s find Let’s find the answer for that. How far are stars? Oh, 4.2 light years away. Okay, it’s measured in light years and I said kilometers. I’m sorry. I I So, so John, let’s let’s do this. A lightyear is 9.44 trillion km and they’re 4.24 light years away. Holy [ __ ] All right. 36 trillion kilometers. Oh my god. And I said 10,000. So you’re close, I guess. Yeah, I was close. That’s crazy. That’s a great question. Thank you, Chris. Um, yeah, that was one that we have to get. Um, Cam said, “Why are some parts of the fan base okay with the idea of trading Addison Barger?” Kind of talked about that. Yeah, kind of talked about that. He said, “A guy looks like this at 26 shouldn’t be traded under any circumstances unless it’s for Jose Ramirez.” You look under the hood of OPS and other stats like that and the potential of him being a platoon guy. I do see the side of the argument where you it does make sense to trade him, right? Yeah. But he is he’s being floated like their top guy, I’d guess, as to uh to trade value. Yeah. Don’t I don’t want him traded. We’ll just say that. Yeah. I don’t want to trade it either. I’m just saying I’d like to see him take the next step. If I get blown if we get blown away with a deal where it’s like, all right, it sucks we gave up Barger, but we got a really good piece back that makes this team better. That’s not a platoon. I I get it. I I get it, too. I don’t think he he’s untouchable and a lot of guys aren’t untouchable. It’s just bringing him up is interesting because he has he has some really great traits. Yeah, he really does and he took an awesome awesome step this year. Any predictions of what the Jays will do with Davis and Lopes? I have no idea, man. I have no idea. Again, two good depth pieces, right? I think Lopes has the higher probability of getting traded, right? Yeah. Right. Um, Davis has options. So, yeah, you don’t need to you don’t need to get rid of them, that’s for sure. And and so does Lopes, I’ I’d guess. So, yeah, you don’t have to do anything with them, but if you need if you need some if you need some help in a bullpen, like those are some things that that get you. That’s also if they sign someone big for the outfield. But if if not there, there’s no reason to really have to move them for sure. Um, better holiday drink Canada dry. I mean, you don’t drink pop. I’m not drink pop. Yeah. So, you’re Why is Robert Suarez not being talked about a possible closer signing? I think I don’t know. I I saw him linked a little bit to the Dodgers a couple days ago. That’d be hilarious. They just load up Tanner Scott and Suarez. They just go Padres’s from LA. Um, I don’t know. I mean, the fast ball vo’s there, sure, but how much is a guy like that going to get? I I teams don’t want to pay relievers really. No, there’s like three saw that with Tanner Scott. There’s literally three teams that are willing to pay relievers. Probably it’s the Dodgers, Yankees. I I I don’t see a I don’t see it. I don’t see a world um Jays even get him either. Yep. Um, what icebreaker are GMs using when they first meet each other at the winter meetings? How about that ride in? Weather’s great here, huh? Weather’s great. This is awesome compared to where I’m at. Uh, that’s what Ross is probably saying. It’s like, oh, we just left shitty like Toronto, which is like the weather there sucks. Like, this is way better than that. Um, I will say they do pick pretty awesome locations for the winter meetings which makes it in my mind think like, you know, it’s I kind of rock with this. You know, it’s like a Christmas party like you mentioned. It’s pretty fun. I’m assuming the guys get after they have to. There’s no way those guys aren’t boozing and having time with the boys. You know, some GMs. I would I would think that’s how they get their best work done, John, is at the hotel bar. Like, do you think any trades are made when two GMs are just drunk as [ __ ] It’s like, ah, [ __ ] Wake up the next morning, it’s like, oh, [ __ ] Well, if you wake up, if you wake up the next morning, you’re like, you know what? I still kind of like that deal. Yeah, it’s fair. You just have to maybe the GMs are shy and they need a couple drinks to make the deal. Well, if like, for example, Ross Atkins knows like Brezlo or uh the Diamondbacks GM gets a little drunk after like 8:00, that’s when you ring his phone, you know? Yeah. You ring. It’s like Marte, like where are we at with Marte? I’m sorry to bother you. I don’t know if you’re drinking, but where are we at with Marte, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that’s that’s really good. Um, all right. I think that’s going to be it for us, John. There’s some good questions here. Uh, we won’t get to them all. We kind of There’s a lot of uh a lot of B and Tucker talk. People generally think I’m at the winter meetings and you’re in Nashville at the winter meetings. You’re waiting for everyone to show up at the uh at the hotel. So just just so we’re we’ve agreed here, the winter meeting started today. We could be getting moves tomorrow. It’s four days. So we could be getting moves as soon as possible here. Don’t sleep early. Don’t hashtag don’t sleep. Eyes emoji, popcorn emoji, don’t sleep. But um I’m looking forward to it. I’m looking forward to talking about trades. Hopefully the Yankees do none and the Red Sox do none. And it’s my our second favorite team in the National League that does all these moves. But I’m gonna call my shot. We’re gonna do a midweek pod this week because of a signing or a trade. I’m gonna call my shot. I don’t want to jinx it, but I’m calling my shot. Uh we’re going to be doing a midweek pod this week because of a signing or a trade. Uh Ross the Boss goes three weeks in a row leading into Christmas with a signing or a trade. And we kind of have our team shaped up. Love that. Pretty early this year. Um we’ll see what happens. But thank you guys for tuning in. Um little hour a bit pod for the people on we’re getting to the dog days of the offseason now. Yeah, we’re getting to the dog days. Um but anyways, yeah, that was a winter meetings preview. Uh we’ll talk to you guys next week or midweek. Love you guys, man. Gate 14 forever. 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