[Huber] Firing a coach is something that shouldn’t be taken lightly. After sleeping on it, I’ve come to the same conclusion that many of you did last night. Matt LaFleur has won a lot of games as Packers coach, but it’s time for a change.

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  4. We need a culture reset and we can’t do that with this current coaching staff. Clean house. The sooner the better.

  5. Would say it’s pretty significant that multiple guys on the Packers beat are now calling for MLF’s head. Tom Silverstein is the other big one. Don’t think it will go unnoticed by Policy.

  6. damn both huber and spoon publicly calling for it. feels like there’s a lot of momentum building

  7. 3 straight years of 7th-seed spots and a penchant for blowing first-half leads has got to be enough to fire a guy. It was cute barely getting into the playoffs that first year where Love was getting his feet under him and we had a young team. But two years later with a better defense (Hafley was a good hire, but we should have gotten rid of Joe Barry years earlier) and we end up in the same place? It’s not cute anymore.

  8. If LaFleur stays his seat is already burning before the first snap of the 2026 season is even played.

    At that point wouldn’t it be better to move on?

    That said someone like Harbaugh doesn’t move me. I would be more interested in Flores assuming he’s learned from mistakes or fresh blood, some other offensive OC.

    One name I keep seeing and someone even Rap just reported NFL teams still think will make the jump is Marcus Freeman even if he’s kinda committed to Notre Dame for another year.

    I don’t know much about him though.

  10. Is anyone confident in any MLF coached team handling any adversity or closing out games? We should certainly do worse, but he is clearly not the answer. Bringing back the special teams coach was a fireable decision as well.

  11. I appreciate what Matt has done here. He’s a good coach. He’s done good work developing the team. He seems like a classy human being. I am open to the idea of moving off him though and I know he will have a thriving market if he’s available. He’ll land in his feet.

  12. It’s not just last night, it’s a recurring pattern.

    * Consistent issues on Special Teams, regardless of coordinators.
    * Lack of killer instinct on Offense (supposedly his specialty).
    * Undisciplined play and execution (how many times have we taken a timeout because we don’t have enough players on defense).

    MLF is a great offensive mind and a great developer of QBs, but he lacks the ability to see the whole picture. The one thing I will always remember from last night is the picture Amazon showed after the offense went 3 and out for the second consecutive drive. MLF spent the majority of the next drive (while the Bears were on offense), huddled up with the Offense. You’re the Head Coach, focus on the entire team, not just 1/3 of it.

  13. I’m really torn on this. On the one hand, I agree in a perfect world a change is probably due.

    On the other hand, I don’t feel great about our chances of hiring a better coach, it’s tough to spend a season of this window on implementing a new scheme and getting the players up to speed with an (at least mostly) new staff, and LaFleur will probably kill it elsewhere.

    Keep in mind that by 2028 this roster is going to need a rebuild of some kind.

  14. This is the reality.

    The front office has stated they dont like the idea of a lame duck coach. So hes not going to play out his contract.

    So it leaves 2 options.

    1. They extend him

    2. They fire him

    Now ask yourself. What would extending his contract say after that game last night?

  15. If Micah doesn’t go down we probably finish that Broncos game. Look what it took to collapse against the Bears that next week, do you think we lose if we have our best player? At that point we’re on a 6 game win streak with Ravens (without Lamar) and Vikes left. So division winners, a home playoff game and an 8 game win streak. We were very much contending with him, and in no way contending without him.

    Maybe MLF finds a way to blow it anyway but the circumstances changed drastically when Micah went down

  16. If MLF didn’t have an amazing first two seasons with Rodgers, this would be a no brainer. He’s been largely mediocre with the same issues recurring.

  17. I’m just upset that it took this (long) for so many of you guys to see what plenty of us have been saying all season long. No, he wasn’t indisputably fireable before last night, but his ceiling has been reached for at least a few years. We never get better whether we have a good roster or not. We were stuck at 9 wins for like 5 weeks. Parsons going down shouldn’t have that drastic of an effect on winning some games.

  18. MLF won a lot of REGULAR SEASON games. But he is 3-6 in the postseason 1-3 in his last 4. We didn’t won the division 4 straight years. It isn’t working anymore. Better move on before it’s to late. We can’t lose another year of prime Love/Kraft/Parsons with MLF. He won’t change & he won’t get us over the hump.

  20. What is his record with and without mvp rodgers. Im 50/50 on matt but at the end of the day he throws this offense into neutral time and time again. He has 3 great drives to start the game then pops it into neutral. The only game I remeber him stomping on the other teams throat is the playoff game vs Dallas.

  21. I think ppl are forgetting about the horrendous playoff loss against SF with the blocked FG and punt

  22. Can’t keep making the same mistakes and expect different outcomes. That wasn’t bad luck last night, that was a series of bad decisions and basic errors compounding to make defeat inevitable. We all knew it was coming when the Bears started to rally. Fans weren’t surprised. Time for change, otherwise we stagnate. Huber is right.

  23. Much like Reid with the Eagles, the message has gone stale. Gutekunst can go as well. I’m sick of him failing to build quality all around teams.

  24. Its a blessing you were able to sleep last night. I ruminated about this disaster until 4:00 am and maybe got 90 minutes sleep last night.

  25. Entire coaching staff needs replaced. MLF hasn’t won the division since Rodgers was acting as the pseudo-play caller. Defense is soft and undisciplined. Special teams has been a complete clown show for years. Clean house entirely.

  26. I think I am firmly in the do not extend camp. If he didn’t want to be a lame duck he should have figured out how to get guys to do the basics. Nobody is worse managing a clock. And the culture is fake tough guy.

    All that said, he is a talented OC, and a full reset on scheme doesn’t align with the win now roster next year.

  27. Imagine what an outstanding coach could do with this Green Bay team. The Packers have a lot of potential. They need new blood at the helm.

  28. I’ve been pretty cool on this argument, but that’s 20 minutes of offensive stalling really really makes him hard to defend. If it was just a McManus collapse, I’d be able to forgive him. But letting our defense get completely gassed in the third with an offense that couldn’t stay on the field is pretty damning.

    Ignore the Aaron Rodgers seasons, and focus just on his tenure with Love and it becomes clear that there’s something broken. We can’t keep cycling through blaming coordinators; before Bisaccia it was all Barry. Before Barry it was Drayton. You can’t have one third of the game perpetually being bad. There are coaches doing much more with much less, and LaFleur’s adaptability is to the 65th percentile and not beyond it. Sure, we lost Micah and Kraft this year. Losing the last five (even if two of them didn’t matter much and one really didn’t matter) is still horseshit.
    We need new blood and quick. We need a significant personnel overhaul in special teams especially and I don’t think LaFleur is capable of delivering this change. The fact that we couldn’t bench a hurting McManus for a better kicker alone is proof of that.

    Unless the players are rallying heavily – and I mean heavily – for him, I think it might be time for him to go

  30. The Packers need to learn from their past. History is repeating itself. Moving on from Mike McCarthy after the 2014 NFCCG loss would have been the right move. And now moving on from Matt LaFleur after the choke job last night IS the right move.

  31. Doesn’t he have one year left? If so make him coach for his job one more year. SB appearance or no longer the head coach

  32. Avoiding a delay of game with a timeout only to get a delay of game after the timeout is inexcusable. Everything that went wrong last night was coaching related.

    Loud stadium? Hand signals, shorter and double play calls.

    Predictable play calling. How many first downs did he send the RB straight into a stacked box?

    Telegraphed pass rush on late downs? When was the last time this team threw a RB screen to slow a pass rush?

    WRs on every team drop passes every game. That’s not a trend and can happen to everyone. The predictable play calls and avoidance of obvious and proven solutions is willful ignorance and arrogance in one short-sighted package.

    Fire MLF.

  33. Matt Lafleur’s time has come to an end and I’m genuinely confused as to how that can be argued.

    – His sustained success and heavily cited regular season record are largely inflated thanks to multiple historical seasons from Aaron Rodgers (neither of which resulted in a Super Bowl Appearance). 38-33-1 in the Love Era.

    – He has no coaching tree to cite (sans Nathanie Hackett). This is a direct correlation to his inability to assemble a quality staff, as seen with Rich Bisacchia and Joe Barry. Verdict is out on Stenovich but nothing indicates he will be moving up through the ranks.

    – Inability to adjust: Simply put, considering he is often title an “offensive genius”, he leaves a lot to be desired as it relates to fielding a quality, consistent offense. This team is littered with weapons, even without Kraft. Absolutely no reason to see some of the skids we saw this year (and last).

    – Game Management: Do I need to elaborate? He doesn’t seem to have a great “game flow” or sense of the game. I.E, “all gas no brakes” has evolved to “We have the lead, that’s good enough”. Conservative approaches in the modern era NFL is laughable; offenses are potent. Bad challenge guy, horrible with timeouts.

    Overall, what we saw last night was a microcosm of the MLF Era – many of the issues referenced above were on full display. Christ, even on the 55 yard FG. Multiple shot plays as opposed to gaining chunks of yards for an easier attempt? Dumb. We come out of halftime owning the LOS – draw up a screenplay to an offensive lineman? Golden (who supposedly “wasnt ready”) gets a red zone opportunity…and scores?! Gee, almost like he’s a first round talent. Took injuries to Wicks and Savion to get that opportunity? Special Teams…not just the missed kick. How about the kick return to the Green Bay 30 (don’t remember exactly where).

  34. Okay, here’s the plan.

    1A.) Extend MLF, but under the understanding that he is only the head coach for the first half of the game.

    1B.) Hire another HC to take over coaching duties for the second half of the game.

    2.) Fire Bisaccia (into the sun, preferably) and hire a new ST coordinator.

    3.) Train up Golden, maybe send him for limb lengthening surgery.

    4.) Draft/sign a few actually competent DB’s. (Why haven’t we done this already? Are we stupid?)

    5.) Give me lifetime season tickets for free.

    It’s foolproof. I know, I know. I’m a genius.

    Edit: Also, fire McAnus and get a future HOF kicker. Obviously…

  35. Show of hands: Who else knew how the game was going to go when the offense had their second three and out after the half? ☝️

    It’s sad that I knew we would lose at that point simply because it has happened *so* many times before. MLF has to go.

  37. https://preview.redd.it/8mrb7v4jlrcg1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=94700274d64a5d8232e2eff99cd5fb231675040b

    MLF now has the two worst post-season chokes in NFL history on his resume.

    If last night was the only time we blew what *should* have been a cushy lead, I might have more patience. But it’s happened so many times across multiple years. No lead felt safe this entire season.

    Gute needs to decide how much more of Love and Micah’s prime years he wants to waste.

  39. Matt LaFleur out coached Ben Johnson and still lost the game. Caleb Williams made an amazing play on 4th down that only a couple of qbs in history could have completed to bail put Johnson’s pathetic coaching. It’s not LaFleur’s fault that his team couldn’t execute the most basic aspects of football which they get paid millions of dollars to. Missing easy fgs is inexcusable and can’t be blamed on LaFleur. Dropping a long pass in the final drive is inexcusable. Watson should have put both hands up to try and catch the pass in the final drive as well. Love missed his guy in the endzone which should have been an easy td to likely seal the game on the second last drive although Love was actually very good most of the night. The secondary also botched the coverage on the last Bears td. All of these things fall on the players and not on Love. LaFleur has actually done a good jib with the team he’s had all year.

  40. Huber & Silverstein do not report things that are not supported by at least some of their contacts within 1265 Lombardi.

    I thought MLF superfan Jason Wilde saying on the radio last night he did not see how MLF survives this loss was perhaps ever more telling … that MLF has lost support in the building.

  41. He is okay in the regular season but he has a ceiling in the playoffs. We aren’t winning a SB with him at coach and he needs to go.

  42. If MLF and Gute keep their jobs, they better be kissing Micah Parsons’ feet in gratitude. Can you imagine how trash we’d have been this season without him?

  45. I’d rather have a painful year or 2 with a new coach than go on like we are now with MLF at the helm. We need a change.

  46. MLF loses in the playoffs every year, but new coach could be anything! He could even lose in the playoffs every year!

  48. LaFleur increasingly seems incapable of showing up on game day and playing four quarters of football. That is a fundamental problem.

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