One 9-8 season and now it’s all doom and gloom, yall make it embarrassing to be a fan of this franchise grouped in with the rest of you.

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  1. LOL telling people to “learn ball” and then following that up with a Mike fucking Valenti quote/rant is absolutely hilarious.

    I love this sub.

  3. It would have been hilarious if you posted this without attaching it to Mike Valenti and then see the subs response.

  5. Not everyone has a PhD in football and it’s okay to hear “OC from the cardinals” and be disappointed. None of us have any idea how this is going to work out so anyone saying he will be good knows just as much as anyone saying he will be bad.

  7. Ok first of all, I’m going to be touching myself regardless of who they hired. Second, I’m willing to give him a chance. I can’t fathom anyone being worse than Morton. At the very least, he’ll bring some energy to the sideline. He’s got potential. He’s only 38. Let’s give him a chance before we crucify him. With that being said, every Lion fan crapping on this hire will gladly eat their own words next season. Everyone wants this to work out.  

  8. Mike Valenti was not the guy that I thought was gonna have a measured, logical take about this situation.

  9. I love how everybody here will tell you you don’t know ball or they know ball, and neither of these types will have any kind of evidence, certification, or proof of their ability to know ball. Just dismissal over an opinion they don’t agree with.

    It’s fuckin Reddit, a social media realm built for opinions on subjects people care about not a meeting of prospective coaching hires. Chances are if you have an opinion on here and not from behind a podium at an nfl press conference, I’d be willing to bet you aren’t getting hired any quicker than the person you are look down at

  10. I think their offense did look better with Brisset under center. They also had a lot of injuries on offense but Michael Wilson was putting up numbers

  11. McDaniel FC not trying to hear anything you all have to say in defense of the new OC. They should probably watch some Cardinals games before crapping all over the guy. Brissett, Wilson and McBride all had their best season this year, and that is with a lackluster run game

  12. It was the same argument with Morton:

    “he had a bad team (jets) but he’s a great coach”

    “y’all don’t know ball, so embarrassing”

    “we made it to the playoffs, y’all are just doom and gloom, calm down”

    Hope it works out differently this year.

  13. TBF I forgot about Trey McBride and he’s right, Conner was very productive before his injury. If LaPorta comes back full strength after his surgery and we invest in o-line this offseason (Deck if you’re going to retire just announce it now), I think we are easily a top 5 offense again.

  15. No one even knew who Ben Johnson was when he was named OC and he had been with the Lions organization for 3 years at that point.

  17. I’ll be fully transparent here. I cannot stand Valenti. And I am floored that we hired Petzing, and not in a good way.

    Valenti is still right. I’m speaking to my own emotions here, as much as I’m commenting into the argue-sphere at large. But over three seasons in AZ, he is a very clear net positive in running the ball. The thing we most desperately need fixed is running the ball. So I’m here for that.

    Rest of it? It’s all honestly too much of a blank for me to fill in optimistically. I’ll stay pessimistic until more analytics and numbers are in front of me. Screaming to the sky about how screwed we are is too strong. Valenti’s line about Kafka is spot on as well. Outside of McDaniel it was all pretty ho-hum. A guy with no other interviews, after coaching a 3-14 offense? That isn’t nothing either though.

  21. Mike has a reasonable fair take

    This coaching carasol is brutal right now, going to see big OC names moving into HC positions, and after Morton we can’t afford to do on the job training and set us back half the season

    What you going to do other than pay an astronomical amount of money for someone who will leave next year anyway

  22. The point at the end with Kafka is true, who have the Lions really interviewed that was such a home run over Petzing. Arthur Smith, Kafka? Mcdaniel really was the only one and he probably will get a head coach job or take a year off and be OC in Tampa before taking over as head coach in a year.

  25. I’m not sure I have ever written this in this dumpster fire and a toxic sub but this guy actually understands more than “bad team bad coach”.

    You all would have and did shit on Campbell after his first season and this shit ass sub was all about firing him and finding a “real” coach. So I’m fine with his decisions since he isn’t doing it from their rooms at moms house like the rest of you basement dwellers

  26. Good take. I don’t have a reason to dislike this guy, but I won’t pretend to be excited either.

    Let’s see how the team looks next fall and we can make judgements then

  27. I think deep down we all knew this sub was going to collectively meltdown if it was anybody other than McDaniel. I’m not saying Stephen Miller will or won’t be successful, but the minute MM became available, this place was bound to be doomed.

  28. I mean I guess. He knows people in the nfl okay. Nathaniel Hackett got a hc job because he coached Aaron Rodgers

  30. Okay 5 minutes ago I was trying to tie myself a noose; now I’m using it to hang a Super Bowl 2027 banner in the living room. Thanks guys

  32. Kafka at least proved he could have a viable offense which was scoring at will against the lions. What is this guys credentials? Baker mayfield? Seriously? He knew Ben at Boston College. So? If he was so good why didn’t Ben “save” him from the Cards? This move reeks of “smartest guy in the room” just like the morton hire.

  33. What’s frustrating for me is that the criticism seems to be limited to “Cardinals bad, so Petzing must be bad.”

    It’s the most braindead, simplistic, 3rd grade equivalent analysis and everyone seems to be running with it despite how stupid it is. It ignores all context in a game that includes more moving parts than any major professional sport.

  35. I think you misunderstood. Most of us are just baffled at why they are pulling the trigger so early.

  38. Most attractive OC spot in the league and people “don’t know ball” if they aren’t enamored by the Cardinals cast off?

    Struggling with that notion. He might be fine for the reasons Valenti stated but that’s also not the dude I go to for rational analysis.

    Personally I need more info but definitely not knocking people for being skeptical up front.

  39. I am willing to give him a chance. But who ever made the choice to hire him, their seat needs to be hot.

  40. I’m wondering if this hiring has anything to do with the success we are seeing from teams like the Rams running 13 personnel sets (Cardinals ran 13 personnel at the 3rd highest rate with the 5th best EPA).

    https://sumersports.com/teams/offensive/personnel-tendency/?personnel=13

    I’m wondering if we are going to see a shift into more of these heavy personnel sets and Lions are trying to match the curve a bit especially since we have Gibbs. Although that does mean probably some changes to the TE room beyond LaPorta (possibly keep Wright, but might need to bring in a couple other options, wouldn’t be surprised if we drafted a TE in the 4th round or even the 3rd if we moved up)

    With that said, I’m in the wait and see camp.

  41. All of this was an excellent read. Opened my eyes to a couple of things and will try to give new oc a chance

  42. The lions were a top 10 offense based on EPA/play, sixth actually.

    They were 12th in overall success rate, 5th in passing epa but 25th in rushing epa.

    3rd in pass yards and pass tds and fourth in completion percentage. 16th in sack percentage, last in scrambling, 6th lowest int %.

    14th in rush yards and 7th in rush tds.

    5th in yards per game and 5th in points per game.

    This all happened with someone who the organization didn’t deem a great fit leading our offense, but really the offense is Dan Campbell’s, which people either love to forget or willfully ignore.

    And it all happened with a rebuilt and sub par and injured OL. We had the 12th ranked OL according to PFF and played 13 different lineman in a significant number of snaps this year.

    12 is an interesting number, as 14 teams make the playoffs and before we even get into the defense of it all, but our offense, our OL personnel, and our run game prevented us from climbing higher on the offensive side.

    Dan thinks that Petzing is the right guy to help the run game out, and he apparently wants to work with him to try to improve the offense overall, but give us an OL situation similar to this year and we’ll be a fringe top
    10 offense just like we were this year to analytics …. even if we did score more and produce more yards relative to the league than the advanced stats have us ranked.

    Improve the OL and tweak the scheme a bit, and our ceiling is much higher. Tight end could use some talent infusion too. It’s actually pretty amazing we had as good of an offense as we did this year with everything we had going on.

    I’m not even doing all of the advanced analytics on the defensive side, I’ll just say that we were 22nd in ppg against,
    17th against the run and 14th against the pass, not a playoff quality defense by any measure especially with the injuries to key players and not a good enough offense to prop up the defense.

    Those factors combined to have us miss the playoffs. Those factors together resulted in a fairly mid team, one that wins 8 or 9 games and ends up picking 14-18th in the draft.

    We aren’t as far away as people think, and our offense was good last year, just not great, and there are things to fix to get us back to great. I expect the offense to improve slightly (at least), depending on what we do with the roster and the draft, but the bigger improvement needs to come from the defense to get us to where we want to go. It will probably be a combination of a bunch of small things, and I’m pretty interested to watch how our offense evolves with new coaching additions and personnel changes and adjusting our scheme as it never stays exactly the same and js built to put our players in position to succeed.

    It’s hard to disentangle this stuff. The cardinals OL ranked 26th this year according to PFF, dealt with injuries all year including both of their starting tackles finishing the year on IR, their qb issues, their rb room injured, their wr room injured. Just a total shitshow. It’s going to be hard to paint a picture of last year’s Arizona offense that isn’t full of excuses.

    The coaching part requires less of a makeover than the personnel part, but hiring coordinator with a great track record and reputation for a strong run game seems like a solid place to start, especially if Dan thinks it’s a fit. After all, it his offense.

  43. You can only be so creative with a running game. I hope I’m proven wrong and we see crazy schemes, but our strength has been in explosives.

  44. As much as I dislike valenti and think he’s biased fence sitter that lacks common sense …. He is absolutely right on this one.

  46. When you have a taste of victory, you want to do anything and everything to get it again. And we now know what it tastes like, and we’re reluctant to accept anything that doesn’t “look” like victory after being burned by something that didn’t “look” like victory this past season.

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