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Tocchet joins at 23:00

Michkov Q start at about 30:00

Rick Tocchet responds to questions about Michkov’s ice time.
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  3. I understand what Tocchet is saying. It rings hollow when the team is losing as much as they are.

  5. This guy have ADHD? Or am I the only one who couldn’t follow? Do I have ADHD? What was the answer?

  7. By all accounts, Tocchet should be a dead man walking, yet I get the sense the organization is prioritizing their newly-signed head coach with a career losing record and no history of developing young talent over their budding young star. This organization is so screwed up from top to bottom.

  8. I wish one of them asked “If the reason he is still not getting more ice time is because he didn’t come into camp in shape 5 months ago, are you saying that there’s nothing he can do this season to get more ice time?”

  9. On the one hand, I get what Tocc is saying. Nothing should be handed to a player just because of their pedigree coming out of the draft. You gotta work for it. And Mich is struggling in some areas of his game this season.

    However. We didn’t draft him 7th overall while saying “how the hell did we manage to land this kid” just for him to play 10 minutes. We didn’t draft him so that we could mess around and play him at left wing when it’s clear it’s not as good a fit for him as right.

    Throwing the lines in a blender and seeing what happens is one thing, and I’d be able to get on board with it in a vacuum considering how the season is gone, losing Foerster for the year especially.

    But that’s assuming you’re giving the players with the most upside and most importance to the franchise’s rebuild the opportunity they and the team both need in order to actually make this work

  10. Said it as soon as he was hired that hiring him would set the franchise back at least 5 years. That’s exactly what’s happening barring some draft lottery luck and a 1 and done firing of Tocchet

  11. Jones was interviewed later and said something along the same lines about Michkov. Kinda seems like they’re setting the narrative for when Michkov leaves or ends up traded. They’ll just say he was lazy and didn’t fit the culture. 

  12. Oh my gosh this sounds like the way you know who answers questions 😂 word salad, hockey sounding word, word salad, athlete word, word salad. C’mon Tocc.

  13. Sounds like the same rhetoric he was spewing in Vancouver. Good on them for asking the question though.

  14. Didn’t answer the question and then started pulling back the curtain a bit before he said “I’m speaking generally” – sounds like Mich has been late to practice(s) or treatments?

  17. As I said in the other thread about this:

    Kids are going to fuck up and occasionally be awful and there should be consequences for that, and the parent obviously determines what those are.

    But if you ground your kid for an entire year even after they’ve admitted they fucked up and are clearly working to make up for it, you’re not helping them realise there are conquences to their actions – you’re teaching them that there’s no point in trying to make up for their mistakes because they can’t. The punishment here is simply not proportionate to the crime, and the bad news for the team is that unlike in a regular parent-child relationship, where there would be lasting resentment but nowhere to go, Michkov doesn’t *have* to stay here forever.

    He definitely fucked up. But this year is just a giant waste of time – what is he learning, beyond that he should come to camp in shape or he’ll get punished for it for a whole season?

  18. Lol Tocchet bristled at that question. The reflexive fist closing, “I’ll go down swinging “ comment. Dude needs to understand we don’t care you don’t think he’s earned it. WE think he’s earned it and he’s our young budding star. He hasn’t looked slow or out of shape for weeks, at least. I hope they ask him until he’s blue in the face or actuality starts playing Michkov like he should.

  19. Worst coaching hire possible – should have kept Brad Shaw or Torts over Tocchey Hockey

  20. Someone needs to grill Danny and the FO for making this hire. Legit worst case scenario for our young guys. Fuck this guy.

  23. You would think we could look at Zegras and think….let’s not make the same mistake Ducks did, let’s prioritize the player over the HC (ironically Ducks fans now blame Cronin for Zegras 2 years Tocchet mentioned).

  24. “That’s the rule of winning” – says the coach who has had 2 winning seasons with 3 teams in 9 seasons (soon to be 2 with 4 in 10.

    Thankfully when it comes down to it, I have full faith that Flyers will pick the side of 21 year old Russian who they themselves positioned as the face of the franchise when they brought him over, and not the fossil coach who scored goals for this dead franchise 30 years ago.

    When they trade him, I’m going with him. They’ll have lost me.

  25. Rick Tocchet is a moron. He hates that everyone wants Michkov to play. You can tell it irks him big time to have to answer this question over and over and he’s going to die on this hill and keep punishing one of the best prospects in the game for it even if it costs him his job. Let’s just hope it doesn’t cost the flyers Matvei.

  26. Would a stat like goals/assists per minute by period be indicative of poor conditioning/preparation? I don’t know if that stat is kept. Common sense would say that if you are out of shape, your productivity would decrease from first to second to third period.

  27. Tocchet is just another dumb boomer idiot. We’re in a REBUILD for Christ’s sake. The goal should be to DEVELOP the guys that fit the timeline, even at the cost of winning. Matvei is one of the centerpieces of this rebuild, so playing him for 10 minutes is straight up fucking braindead. Hey Tocchet, you do know that camp was MONTHS ago, so maybe the excuse that he came in out of shape is fucking useless. I wouldn’t have even cared if he benched Michkov for a couple of games to let him know that it’s unacceptable, but it’s now fucking JANUARY. I don’t care if Michkov has flaws in his game. Sink or swim with him and let him have his trial by fire rather than burying him on the bench.

  28. So what I’m hearing is punishing Mich for showing up 6months ago out of shape is more important than developing his game. K, I’ve been on the fence about Toch, but that’s the dumbest shit ever.

  30. It’s really weird they couldn’t have shifted down the table and made him sit on the corner.

  31. Yeah I’m 100% out on Tocchet. This is the guy they hired, in part, becasue he’s supposed to “get this market”.

  32. Literally everything that’s wrong with this team is still present after a decade+ of being irrelevant. The internal hires and old boys club still going strong. We’re not winning anything until this mindset is gone.

    I’ve been a fan since 1996 or so and it’s just baffling how they continue down this road.

  33. It’s hard to write down my thoughts in a cohesive format without being disorganized or writing an essay. I’ll sum my thoughts up in 2 of my biggest points:

    1) Even if he came in wildly out of shape and isn’t working to get in shape (which I don’t buy), why wouldn’t you keep comments like this in house? I don’t think I’ve seen a coach openly shit talk a player this much. Give the political answer and move on you clown of a coach.

    2) The way this franchise is handling this situation makes me lean towards Cutter’s side in how all of that went down. If they are willing to treat MM like this on behalf of a dinosaur coach then it wouldn’t shock me if they botched that whole thing and pushed the kid out behind some bullshit “strong culture play for the crest” bullshit.

  35. Tocchet demanding full buy in to his system like he’s Herb Brooks or something. Dude has been an unsuccessful coach everywhere that runs a “system” with absolutely no strengths, upside, or track record. And he’s mad that everyone is sick of it? Get a grip. This guy is a loser

  37. A SINGLE good outlier season in nine years as a head coach and the triumvirate hired him anyway. This is Jones and Dannys biggest mistake. Haven’t watch since they hired this bum, won’t watch until he is gone.

  38. Tbf to Tocch he isn’t saying outrageous things and I would be more inclined to believe him if:

    a) we weren’t horribly losing and falling apart

    b) he didn’t have a history of ruining other young talent

    Because of that I just take everything he says with a grain of salt.

  39. I get his point, coming in to camp out of shape is no good. But at some point give got to give him a shot to prove himself

  41. Saying that “He came into camp out of shape (back in SEPTEMBER)” is justification for getting 10 minutes of ice time with 0 goals conceded or penalties against in (almost) FEBRUARY should be an automatic termination.

    This isn’t just “teaching a lesson.” This isn’t even him trying to argue that doing this gives them a better chance to win. Saying it like this says that Michkov’s ice time is entirely punitive and not intended to make him better. Fucking clown show organization. The circus is more serious than this garbage.

  44. “That’s the rules of winning” is psychotically hilarious because we’re doing it his way AND WE SUCK SHIT

  45. I was not happy when DB appointed Toc. I’m still not happy. Too many ex Flyers as coaches. Play the kids let the chips fall. But we won’t do that will we?
    Flyers never learn it seems.
    Or is it Comcast?
    They have the biggest sign in the arena.
    “WELCOME TO COMCAST COUNTRY.”
    I think that sums it up.

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