Jrue Holiday Says He Was Traded from the 76ers with a “30 second conversation”, Draymond Green Mocks “the process” in response

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1. What could’ve been if Jrue stayed on? More mediocrity and no Joel. I’m stunned people still mock the Process when Hinkie’s work changed how teams rebuild and even caused the league to alter the lottery odds. It’s a true testament to the job Hinkie did that the team exclusively made horrible decisions for years after he left and the team still has a championship window that’s still at least slightly open. The league’s incentive structure promoted the behavior, Hinkie just took advantage of it.

2. >What could have been

   He would have rotted on shitty teams for 3 years or asked to leave a year or two in. I doubt he would’ve gotten better playing alongside Jakarr Sampson and Henry Sims. I’m glad Jrue got to have some opportunities elsewhere, what they should’ve done was manage the assets better from his trade. That 2013 draft was pretty god damn awful, maybe they could’ve waited another year to trade him in hindsight.

3. Remember Jrue’s years with New Orleans? No? Nobody else does either. It would’ve been the same shit here.

4. It wasn’t the wrong move to trade Jrue at the time, it was a just an all-time speed run of bad decisions in the years after. The science was sound!

5. Draymond is going to go down as the most obnoxious coat tail rider this league has seen

6. Ah it’s been a while since we’ve heard from the backpack, I was getting worried.

7. That team that took the Cs to 7 was barely an 8th seed to begin with and not particularly talented in general without a single potential superstar to elevate them. Even if they kept that core and made sensible moves, I could only see it topping out at a 4-5th seed to get run over by the Lebron teams of the era.

   As soon as the Bynum trade was finalized, the team was fucked anyway, so without a full rebuild we were looking at a perpetual 9-10 spot for a long while. The main thing that Hinkie seemed to screw up was effective communication and building trust and relationships with players/agents as he made his moves. In hindsight, less transparency about his blatant tanking and more politicking would’ve probably saved him and us from the Coangelo fiasco.

   But yeah, from what I’ve seen of our players from that early 2010s timeframe, a lot of them generally seem to have some resentment towards the organization (at least the people managing that era) for how the whole situation was handled. ET and Iggy have spoken about it in podcasts.

8. >On a recent episode of The Draymond Green Show, the Boston Celtics hilariously declared, “I think I was the start of the process.” Agreeing with him, Draymond Green said, “You are the start of the process. I’m just not sure the process ever worked.”

   This narrative/suggestion is never going to go away and it’s exhausting. It’s never anyone interested in actually thinking critically about Hinke’s strategy or how it influenced the league, just “you lost a bunch of games and haven’t won a championship”.

   This is ironic coming from Draymond because A) Golden State is in the Play-In, which was created in reaction to teams tanking, and B) there’s a chance they get bounced by OKC this year, who utilized the same strategy to rebuild that we did (without league interference).

9. Flipping Jrue:

   1. created the opportunity to get Embiid
   2. opened space for Hinkie to pump value into MCW and ultimately deal him for the draft rights to Mikal Bridges
   3. netted two lottery picks(didn’t pan out, but oh well)

   that’s a pretty smart trio of returns

10. The process was incomplete since they ran Hinkie out 

11. Nothing to do with this but hearing the process just reminded me that we had 2 #1 picks in a row and they ended up being fucking Ben Simmons and Markelle Fultz, that was fucking cartoonishly unlucky

12. Jrue holiday as Franchise player is like mikal bridges as FP, one of the rare right move sixers did was trade holiday